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I've been suffering under the bite of the 356 bug for some time. I've read quite a bit about selecting and restoring a 356 and also about the various kits available. I've been lurking here for a while and I've had an idea formenting I wanted to toss out for discussion.

The 356 is a lovely car, but after seeing the amazing advancement Stephen is doing at Specialty Autoworks, bringing a new generation of drivetrain and utility to the cars, I was reminded of one of my all time favorite cars and I got to thinking about it again. (I'm also hankering after one of his Subaro powered cabriolets, but I'd forgo it for the idea below :))

Without a doubt one of the most breathtakingly beautiful cars of the last century is the 1955-1963 Merdeces 300SL (In both Gullwing and Roadster body styles). Wouldn't it be great, I thought, to have all the classical elegance of one of those cars with a modern drivetrain? The first that sprang to mind is the modern BMW 3.0L straight six (heresy I'm sure the Benz fans would say) and its matched 5 speed. This would provide very similar thrust to the car as it was originally endowed with. Then, on a more practical note, I thought that a C5 generation Corvette (Camaro?) EFI V8 and 5speed would also make a beautiful runabout in a 300SL Roadster body. It just seems to suit it somehow...

I mailed Stephen at Specialty and asked him what he thought of the idea. As others have indicated, I received a prompt, thorough, friendly and professional response. It would cost a ton of money, there was no clear market, and doing it from scratch would likely be a $500K+ project and require serious commitment. Many had tried and failed... He also mentioned DOT challenges (which I could likely escape as I'm not in America and I expect we could build it for export as a one off).

All valid points. But I don't give up easily. So I started scouring the web. I knew there were a number of companies that had done 300SLR replicas (to me, the uglier racing inspired version of the 300SL) but I wasn't aware of anyone doing a pure 300SL roadster. Information was very hard to come by. I knew there were a few attempts at Gullwings in the early 90's but I couldn't find much more than ads for older gullwing replicas that had long since left the inventory of the car companies listing them.

Then, I stumbled across a site in Germany and lo and behold, they in fact do appear to sell a compelete 300SL Roadster body, and if my very rough translation is accurate, they can also provide all the chrome and trim bits, the top and so forth. My curiosity was peaked and my excitement rose.

The company in germany is:

home.arcor.de/classic4u/scheib/indexD.html

(Maybe someone on this forum who reads German could translate for us?)

Knowing that Stephen and the team at Specialty Auto run a very capable shop and have completed many kits from many different manufacturers I got to noodling again. The site appears to indicate that a current generation SLK chasis and drivetrain and electronics fit neatly under their replica body. Not a terrible option but not as appealing as the BMW or even Corvette options. I wonder...

I continued my quest, energized that there might be more 300SL roadster bodies available. (With an original costing over $200K US I wasn't that hopeful). I did however find a company that purports to make Gullwings in Florida, and the photos look fantastic, although the site is a bit sketchy and I'm not sure if they are still out there as the updates were from 2001. I'll give them a ring some time this week to confirm. I still desire a roadster but its nice to know someone is also doing the Gullwing. You can find their site here:

www.tbccoach.com/infosheet.html

-Continued in another post, mine was too long :)
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I've been suffering under the bite of the 356 bug for some time. I've read quite a bit about selecting and restoring a 356 and also about the various kits available. I've been lurking here for a while and I've had an idea formenting I wanted to toss out for discussion.

The 356 is a lovely car, but after seeing the amazing advancement Stephen is doing at Specialty Autoworks, bringing a new generation of drivetrain and utility to the cars, I was reminded of one of my all time favorite cars and I got to thinking about it again. (I'm also hankering after one of his Subaro powered cabriolets, but I'd forgo it for the idea below :))

Without a doubt one of the most breathtakingly beautiful cars of the last century is the 1955-1963 Merdeces 300SL (In both Gullwing and Roadster body styles). Wouldn't it be great, I thought, to have all the classical elegance of one of those cars with a modern drivetrain? The first that sprang to mind is the modern BMW 3.0L straight six (heresy I'm sure the Benz fans would say) and its matched 5 speed. This would provide very similar thrust to the car as it was originally endowed with. Then, on a more practical note, I thought that a C5 generation Corvette (Camaro?) EFI V8 and 5speed would also make a beautiful runabout in a 300SL Roadster body. It just seems to suit it somehow...

I mailed Stephen at Specialty and asked him what he thought of the idea. As others have indicated, I received a prompt, thorough, friendly and professional response. It would cost a ton of money, there was no clear market, and doing it from scratch would likely be a $500K+ project and require serious commitment. Many had tried and failed... He also mentioned DOT challenges (which I could likely escape as I'm not in America and I expect we could build it for export as a one off).

All valid points. But I don't give up easily. So I started scouring the web. I knew there were a number of companies that had done 300SLR replicas (to me, the uglier racing inspired version of the 300SL) but I wasn't aware of anyone doing a pure 300SL roadster. Information was very hard to come by. I knew there were a few attempts at Gullwings in the early 90's but I couldn't find much more than ads for older gullwing replicas that had long since left the inventory of the car companies listing them.

Then, I stumbled across a site in Germany and lo and behold, they in fact do appear to sell a compelete 300SL Roadster body, and if my very rough translation is accurate, they can also provide all the chrome and trim bits, the top and so forth. My curiosity was peaked and my excitement rose.

The company in germany is:

home.arcor.de/classic4u/scheib/indexD.html

(Maybe someone on this forum who reads German could translate for us?)

Knowing that Stephen and the team at Specialty Auto run a very capable shop and have completed many kits from many different manufacturers I got to noodling again. The site appears to indicate that a current generation SLK chasis and drivetrain and electronics fit neatly under their replica body. Not a terrible option but not as appealing as the BMW or even Corvette options. I wonder...

I continued my quest, energized that there might be more 300SL roadster bodies available. (With an original costing over $200K US I wasn't that hopeful). I did however find a company that purports to make Gullwings in Florida, and the photos look fantastic, although the site is a bit sketchy and I'm not sure if they are still out there as the updates were from 2001. I'll give them a ring some time this week to confirm. I still desire a roadster but its nice to know someone is also doing the Gullwing. You can find their site here:

www.tbccoach.com/infosheet.html

-Continued in another post, mine was too long :)

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I headed to bed and remembered in my sleepy stupour that there used to be a company called Lone Star that also did a 300SLR. I found them here this morning:

www.kitcar.com/lonestar/home.html

Not it says its a 300SLR but it kind of looks like a cross between a street version and the other race versions I've seen. I can't quite tell as there are only a few photos but the nose seems to slant more than the german link.

I mention this here as obviously the group are german car fanatics and I'm having a heck of a time finding information on a 300SL Roadster replica and I'd love to hear thoughts and feedback about the availability of one. I don't have any business interest in it, just seriously considering starting a project for my own use, with a modern drive train.

Which I guess brings me to my other thought... Given that the Fiero and the Beetle are slowly slipping in to history, is there a market for a company like Specialty Auto to do a "reference" chasis for front, mid and rear engine projects? Something that can be used a la Fiero and the Beetle for future builds of various designs? Something other builders can use as a starting point?

I'd love to hear what people think about the 300SL roadster project and the idea of a reference design chasis/drivetrain.

-Jeff
At Knott's (2004) there was an absolutely STUNNING Gullwing 300 SL. Car was silver and all german parts (drivetrain etc). Nice fellow (Baron? Barron?) owned it. It was all the way at the end, I think row "F". The level of detail and authenticity on this vehicle was amazing.

I have never felt comfortable asking people how much something costs, but I gathered it was very very expensive.
angela
300SL roadsters were commercial cars - frame was different, etc. 300SL coupes were all production racing cars, the only MB race car ever mass produced and sold to the public. Options were the "sport cam" and knock-off wheels, and a few were made with aluminum bodys for the serious USA MB racers like Paul O'Shea. Later, Paul also had a roadster-like version. There were also three 300SLR coupes made - they had three liter W196 straight eight desmo engines, etc.
Has anyone here seen any other 300SL kits, other than the gentleman who was at Knott's?

I can't help but thinking a 3L BMW six or a 5.7L Chevy V8 and a 5 speed in that body would be a killer combo...

And as I expected, my idea about a "reference" chasis and drivetrain for the replica industry, with front, mid and rear-engine options seems to have gotten lost in my original post. I was thinking about loud as to whether the time has come to move on from VW and Fiero under pinnings to a more modern reference design, a bit along the lines of the Specialty Autoworks Subaru unit.

Thoughts?

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