$135K IM

This car has been advertised many times.  Started at about $75k and for some reason moved up to $135k.  Its likely worth about $40k.  The add is ridiculous.

That was previously posted on here fairly recently! You can imagine the comments. 

Makes my car look like a bargain.

 

It's called "sucker trolling" and rarely produces a buyer.

Doesn't even have wide 5's.... 20k, tops. 

 

All kidding aside, wide 5's would really make it look a lot more authentic.

Wow, for a few bucks more you can pick up a decent (real) convertible D.  Also, it looks like the windshield and top are from a "D" not speedster.  

I know a lot of dumb Texans, but not that dumb. I think this may take the annual audacity award. 

I agree with Gulley

 

 

For reference, ^ that's a cabriolet, not a "D". You know this, but not everybody does.

ha, ha.  It was Monday after way too much holidaying.  I couldn't think of the word "Cabriolet".  Either way, slapping a "Speedster" emblem on it doesn't make it one.  I need to have that appraiser give me an estimate on a few of my cars.  I may be able to retire

Gulley2,

 

The car in the original link is an IM "Roadster", which is a '59 "D" replica. The D was a one year only replacement for a speedster with a removable windshield on a 356A body, but with a higher frame and roll-up windows. It was replaced by the "Roadster" 356B.

 

Cabriolets were built from pre-A right on through to 356Cs. the red car Larry put up was a cab.

 

Original "D"s are not as valuable as original speedsters, but they are quite a bit more functional. They form kind've a half-way mark between a speedster and a cabriolet-- with about 95% of the "cool", and way more usability. As replicas, they are somewhat more valuable (to a certain kind of buyer) than a speedster. CMC produced a "D" kit, of which only a few were built. Intermeccanica (in it's Vancouver iteration) has built a lot of them since the middle '80s-- it's pretty much their bread and butter, although they still make speedsters as well (with wind-up windows). I have an IM speedster because I wanted the bad-boy windshield, and was willing to live with slightly reduced weather protection, but a lot of deep-pocket guys like the nicer seats and higher windshields. It's a tow-may-toe/ toe-mah-toe thing.

 

The fact that this car is a "D" replica does not make it worth less than a speedster replica-- it probably makes it worth more to buyers with a bit more to spend. It does not, however make it worth $135K. It's a nice car, and probably well worth $35K or so (not the $20K quoted above). Yeah, the 4-lugs would be nicer as Wide 5s, but most buyers don't want to pay the premium for something that only maters to about .1% of the people out there in the big-'ol-world.

 

Original "D"s are not as valuable as original speedsters

 

Not sure about this.  Conv D's were sold for one year only in US, 1959.  Only 1100 were sold.  I have seen them sell for $250,000.  I'm sure all of these cars are highly collectible.  If rare means anything seems like a real D would be worth its weight in gold.

Phil, totally agree with you.  I would say about $40K ish ..  Selling a kit car is very difficult and getting full value is even harder.

I'm confused, I thought the differences between a Convertible D and a 356 Roadster was the fascia. One has a Speedster dashboard with an eyebrow and no glovebox, and the other had a dashboard like Cabriolets and Coupes.

Conv D is a one year, 1959, Porsche experiment that failed.  They took a speedster, added role up windows, a taller wind shield and top and added a little sound deadening material.  Only about 1,100 sold in 1959 so it was canned.  Cabs are different cars with different fascia and dashboards.  This is why I think that real Conv D's have to be very valuable, likely more than speedsters.  They are so rare.

I tihnk the D was dropped and Roadster name took over with the B body.

Everything you ever wanted to know about the Convertible D http://www.convertibledregistry.com/history.html

1331 D's were produced in 1958 and 1959 as 1959 models, the rarest production 356 Porsche.  As Marty has said replaced by the 356B Roadster in 1960.

Wow...two of them got 4-cams. Those must be worth a couple bucks.

Not really a "failed experiment", just not the icon the speedster has become.

 

356s are divided into 3 big classes: A, B, and C. Within the classes are sub-classes (356 pre-A, 356AT2, etc.). Since Prosche was having coach builders do the bodies, there were variations on the same theme: Cabriolets, Coupes, Speedsters, Karmann Hardtop, etc. Often, production changes did not neatly follow MY year designations, and the actual year of manufacture might not correspond to the MY on the title. 

 

Furthermore, the breaks in production were not as clean as they were in Detroit, or as clear-cut as we have come to expect. For example, there were 558 Speedsters produced in 1958, and 386 D's. In 1959 there were actually 32 speedsters built (some with very rare Carrera twin cams), and 944 Ds.

 

With the advent of the 356B (MY 1960), the D became the Roadster-- it had the same removable windshield and the same 3-dial dash layout as the D, but with a Reutter 356B body. There were 561 '60 Roadsters, 1529 '61s, and 812 '62s. The D wasn't the orphan it's often been made out to be-- it was the logical evolution of the speedster, rectifying a lot of the same issues replica owners complain about (weather protection, etc.)-- and counting the Roadster, there was an almost identical amount of them made (as compared to the Speedster).

 

All tolled, from 1955- '59, there were 4144 Speedsters built. From 1958- '62, there were 4232 D/Roadsters built. Far from being a step-child, the D (which became the Roadster) was actually slightly more popular.

 

For reference:

 

http://autoeclub.com/porsche-3...nufactured-stats.htm

This IM is the first one I owned.  I sold it to the current owner that redid it.I bought  the car from a great guy in Hawaii who did a fabulous job on the motor before I got it. I picked it up cheap and then sold it for a nice return.  It was a great car, but I was feeling like I should get something more practical at the time.  Actually wish I never sold it. I don't understand the price Either... Regardless it's nice to see it all restored... It does look nice!

As I said before, you guys are all missing the point.  The reason this IM is so valuable, is that it is a restoredcar. 

 

Don't any of you know how much a restored 356 is worth?

 

"As I said before, you guys are all missing the point.  The reason this IM is so valuable, is that it is a restoredcar. "

 

Couldn't find where you said it before but no matter, I can't see paying more for a restored IM replica than for a new IM replica.

Nolan:

 

We all know a restored 356 is worth a pile of money.  Right?

 

Well, this is a restored replica.

 

The dots need to be connected here...

 

Was it restored with actual reproduction parts? If it is restored with original Porsche parts does it lose value because the parts are themselves not reproductions?

 

I'll have to ponder that for a week or two.........

BWAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA! Replica Speedster Unobtanium! Good one, Bob. 

Or, I'll sell you the real one in my avatar for the same price

I am so glad to see this. It is the only asset that I have that is increasing in value. I'll let mine go at the bargain price of $75k. You'll get a beautiful car with all of the problems sorted out.

 

Gentlemen that's $75k. After receiving the speedster that I bought from over seas this car now needs to go.

Glad you got the car from Asia, Rusty. Of all the cars I've ever seen.....that was one of them.

Rusty.  Here is your 75K.
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FOR SALE!!!! Original unrestored 356 Cabriolet Replica $45,000.00. Will restore it for $100,000.00. Serious buyers only, will ship to Nigeria for additional $25,000.75, may consider trade for a restored Schwin men's bicycle.

 

Just for the record I have no idea what this seller is thinking!

Trolling for sucker fish! Henry,remember a few years back I was offered $75K for Ruby at Carlisle? I was certain the offer was not genuine. That guy would have pooped in his pants if I accepted the offer! Must be something in the water!

Weed. I'm pretty sure he's smoking something.

 

Wow a post from Henry. I think Henry should get more involved with this forum.

see "Happy New Year!!" under Vendor Support.

 

Yup. First post in nearly 10 years!

Well, I know Henry is very busy making beautiful bespoke automobiles (there's that word again).

 

 

Seriously, guys, "bespoke" is reserved for English cars. 

 

See? SPOKES.