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A recent post proposes a specific location (Encinitas, CA) for a Speedster and Spyder Replica Car Show to take the place of SOC's participation in the American Handcrafted Automobile Show at Knott's Scarrrrry Farm.

The crummy weather last year and dissatisfaction with the AHA judging procedures caused a lot of unhappiness for many SOC contributors and lurkers. Speedster and Spyder owners were dissatisfied even though Speedsterowner's dot com has their own voting procedures and awards their own trophies in many categories.

There have been a lot of suggestions / recommendations about reducing the SOC participation in the AHA show and moving our participation to another venue. I think the suggestion requires a bit of bottom up analysis.

First, Mike McSween, John Leader and Theron can testify to the amount of work and organization that goes into participating in the AHA Show. Opening a new venue would require considerably more effort than the effort dedicated to participating in the AHA show. Those who suggest a new venue should be willing to contribute to the effort required to make it happen.

Second, as has been pointed out any new venue should be more convenient, in terms of driving distances, to the SOC's expected participants. It's been suggested that consideration be given to locations in Coastal Central California. It might be possible for Theron using the zip codes in the registry to find a venue that is fairly equidistant from the largest concentrations of owners. (But highway access can make a difference, if you live east of the Sierras or North of Big Sur for instance). Last year we had participation from Speedsterowner from Las Vegas, Phoenix and Tucson, would these folks come if they had to drive to Cambria, San Simeon or Carmel, CA?).

Finally, when considering this change of venue it seems logical to consider the availability of services such as: reasonably priced hotel rooms, ample dining options, public restroom facilities at the show ground, parking, P.A. systems, and the administrative services (like advertising, parking lot monitor's, event insurance coverage, food and beverage at the show, and location guards for overnight). These services are presently arranged and provided by the AHA. They would have to be provided by SOC, if SOC wants to do their own show.

And like it or not, because of the wide variety of replicas displayed The AHA draws more attendance (revenue) which helps defray the costs of putting on the show.

It may be possible to find a sponsor (like a Chamber of Commerce, a resort, or an Indian Gaming Casino) that wants to sponsor the event and would absorb some of the cost and effort. But it seems suggestions about "going it alone" need to be analyzed realistically in the context of the effort required to make it happen.
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A recent post proposes a specific location (Encinitas, CA) for a Speedster and Spyder Replica Car Show to take the place of SOC's participation in the American Handcrafted Automobile Show at Knott's Scarrrrry Farm.

The crummy weather last year and dissatisfaction with the AHA judging procedures caused a lot of unhappiness for many SOC contributors and lurkers. Speedster and Spyder owners were dissatisfied even though Speedsterowner's dot com has their own voting procedures and awards their own trophies in many categories.

There have been a lot of suggestions / recommendations about reducing the SOC participation in the AHA show and moving our participation to another venue. I think the suggestion requires a bit of bottom up analysis.

First, Mike McSween, John Leader and Theron can testify to the amount of work and organization that goes into participating in the AHA Show. Opening a new venue would require considerably more effort than the effort dedicated to participating in the AHA show. Those who suggest a new venue should be willing to contribute to the effort required to make it happen.

Second, as has been pointed out any new venue should be more convenient, in terms of driving distances, to the SOC's expected participants. It's been suggested that consideration be given to locations in Coastal Central California. It might be possible for Theron using the zip codes in the registry to find a venue that is fairly equidistant from the largest concentrations of owners. (But highway access can make a difference, if you live east of the Sierras or North of Big Sur for instance). Last year we had participation from Speedsterowner from Las Vegas, Phoenix and Tucson, would these folks come if they had to drive to Cambria, San Simeon or Carmel, CA?).

Finally, when considering this change of venue it seems logical to consider the availability of services such as: reasonably priced hotel rooms, ample dining options, public restroom facilities at the show ground, parking, P.A. systems, and the administrative services (like advertising, parking lot monitor's, event insurance coverage, food and beverage at the show, and location guards for overnight). These services are presently arranged and provided by the AHA. They would have to be provided by SOC, if SOC wants to do their own show.

And like it or not, because of the wide variety of replicas displayed The AHA draws more attendance (revenue) which helps defray the costs of putting on the show.

It may be possible to find a sponsor (like a Chamber of Commerce, a resort, or an Indian Gaming Casino) that wants to sponsor the event and would absorb some of the cost and effort. But it seems suggestions about "going it alone" need to be analyzed realistically in the context of the effort required to make it happen.
Thanks for opening this up Bill. I have to say, my dissatisfaction wasn't with the judging. I really could care less about a trophy. In fact, I had 2 ballets last year and I didn't even bother filling them out. My problem with the Knotts show...

Problems with Knotts:
1) It's a hot, dirty parking lot.
2) It's a hot, dirty parking lot.
3) We can't go for a group drive and come back to the show.

Things I would like to see in our own "gathering" (not show)
1) A comfortable, shaded parking area.
2) After a few hours socializing, a group drive.
2) Good food, even if I have to BBQ.
3) Laughter, happiness, no judging, just admiring.
4) Some prizes for non-car related accomplishments, "longest drive to attend", "highest mileage", "longest time owned", "oldest car" etc. Accomplishments that bring the group together, not divide it, like "best car" obviously will.
5) Non-Knotts weekend, so those who would like to attend Knotts, can.
6) A more central location, perhaps coastal for good driving ops. Paso Robles looks to be geographically the best, with well over 100 owners within 300 miles and access to 101 and US1
7) A location with other attractions (shopping,relaxing,chick-stuff) to help bring more right-seaters.

-=theron
I must agree with "The Ron" on this one.....
I have nothing against the AHA, that show sucks because of location, and lack of Facilities, food etc within walking distance, and not everyone wants to sit around all day looking at the same thing or talking about a frigging carb or tranny.....
I was just in Paso Robles for the James Dean thing and I gotta say,
you are only minutes from Pismo Beach, Morro Bay, Cambria, Hurst Castle. Outlet shopping, Wine Tasting....hotels everywhere...
Bill is right, there is added responsibility, but I, for one believe it would be worth the change...

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Guys, I had a hell of a good time at Knotts. Maybe I had to say this because I have a hell of a lot invested in the trip. Yeah, it could have been better, but I feel just great about being involved in a left coast event and meeting you guys and gals out there.... no shit! Stay as cool as you are and love this hobby as much as I do.
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After having to endure the rigors of freeway traffic in L.A. on several occasions and comparing it to the country atmosphere of the James Dean Fest I attended last week outside of Paso Robles, my vote is definitely for Paso. It is only 26 miles from Cambria (on the Pacific Coast) and can be reached by the spectacular Pacific Coast Highway....a far cry from the tedium of Hwy 5. Awards? I like Theron's idea.

So why not investigate some alternate sites that would work for owners on west and east coasts, iron out the details, and put it to a vote?
How about this idea for awards:
1. Most miles driven to the event
2. Most total miles accumulated on the car
3. Best outfit to drive a speedstah/spyder while wearing (please don't let Simon-spyder dude show up in his green thong)
4. Fastest car pusher. Gotta push your own car, maybe even steer it just for fun.
5. Funny post on speedsterowners or spyderowners site
6. Best under construction project that drives
7. Most creative use of non-automotive related materials for a get-you-there repair (e.g. duct tape, baling wire, bubble gum etc)
8. Good Joe/Jane sportsman type award for people who consistently are there to help others for no personal or financial benefit.
9. Best service/customer appreciation award to spyder/speedster builders or major supplies (like engine suppliers).
angela
I live in Paso Robles and would be interested in being your point man if there is some interest in coming to Paso Robles. We have a beautiful down town park and we also have the Mid State Fairgrounds. Both have grass and oak trees for shade. We have over 90 winerys from big to small and we are about 30-35 miles from Morro Bay, Cayucos, Cambria. Driving on back roads are always fun and we have plenty of back roads.
Bill & All. Thanks for noticing my post about moving the event to Encinitas and I am glad it started this conversation up again. First, I agree Encinitas would NOT be a good location and I only suggested it to renew this discussion. Second, I have noticed on this site when Events are trying to be organized, for example the Wine Trip, a lot of time is wasted in trying to coordinate peoples schedules, time to meet, etc. Therefore if we are going to explore the probability of having our own event I suggest 4 to 6 members volunteer to form an event commitee. Through this site suggestions can be made and 2 to 3 meetings can be held in the next 3 months and a DECISION by the commitee can be made as to when and where the event will be held. Details can be handled later. If asked I will volunteer.
David: It might be enlightening if you or one of the other members who have experience in setting up events could let the rest of us know how the whole thing works. Seems to me that events held in an area where a greater number of members are concentrated are easier to get put together, since the work load can be better spread out.

For instance, Mr. Crouch had some good things to say about Paso Robles as an event site, but would it be realistic for us to expect that he alone put together an event in Paso? Probably not. So, how could the rest of us (i.e., those of us who have the time, interest and experience) help him set up a Paso Event? What are the steps, how much lead time is required, what is the cost to rent a site, how many members are required to do what jobs, etc. Or is setting up an event nothing more complicated than posting a date, time and place on the SOC site and just have members show up?
Theron, can you come up with a link to a spreadsheet that we could go to and pick our choices for location...
Morro Bay, Pismo Beach (perhaps in the sand), Cambria, Paso Robles,
and perhaps a few others, that would get the ball rolling....
We also need best weekend...April, May etc....
we can pick a location and date and my wife will start calling Hotel/Motels to get a special rate if possible....and maybe someone can look into a venue, like a park.....
We need to do this NOW, or we will be right back at Knotts on that cement staring at each other like a bunch of idiots, when we could be frolicing in the sand, or at a winery.....
I don't owe anyone any favors, in fact I'm not a big fan of kit cars in general, and prior to 3 years ago, never heard of the AHA....
But I am a car guy, and I like to drive MR356.....
I realize most of the members here are posers, but there are a few who like to get out and drive, and for those, we do need an event where we can meet and organize a few short runs while we are there..
I say we do this in May, not to interfere with Knotts, We pick a central location like San Luis Obispo or Paso Robles, we can organize a poker run with stops in Pismo Beach, Avila Beach, Morro Bay and maybe Cambria, getting a card at each location to make a poker hand...I'm sure most of you are fimiliar with the routine...
That gives everyone a chance to see these magnificent sights....
Somebody give me a big Yahooooooo....
By reviewing the "strings" in this EVENTS forum about local rides and the James Dean Anniversary Festival (look at the dates of the posts) I think you will come to the realization that, in general, the SOC members don't commit to participating in events, other than Knott's and Carlisle, until two or three weeks in advance of the event.

Somebody has to build the infrastructure and wait for the commitment. That's why ample lodging is important. If lodging in the area is sold out several weeks in advance (Like Paso Robles is)the motel management will not allow us to hold a block of rooms. They will not turn away other

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John, I noticed you edited your post.....I remember the great job you did a few years back, that was even tougher cause it was the first, and nobody really knew each other.......
Morro Bay, Pismo Beach, and Avila Beach are very close to each other with Cambria not far from them and they all are close to San Luis Obisbo, Which is a large city with plenty of food and lodging, also drink for David.....they are all great places if you haven't been there before..
Paso Robles is a bit of a drive North from the rest, so I'm thinking Obisbo as our destination, but if you guys prefer Paso, I have no problem with that either.......
Michael Crouch lives in the area and apparently is willing to find a
suitable location for the actual event. So Michael if you are out there, how about recommending a location, be it a park, Winery etc..
If you think Paso would be better, fine but remember we want to be able to get to the coast, and to the other sites mentioned for a poker run....I think at least one Winery should be included, and a picture of some of the cars on the sand at Pismo Beach would be very cool for the "07" calendar....
J. Leader and B. George have experience doing this kind of shit where I don't, and they say its hard work, we need a few of you knuckle heads to step up to the plate and get just a little involved if we are to pull this off.....
If we do this in May we will have just over 6 months to put it together.......we need to talk NOW....
Today, I visited with the Paso Robles Main Steet Association and mentioned the idea of the 356's in the downtown park. They asked about a date and I said April or May. They said what about April 22 & 23 as they are having a recylced treasures and antique car event. We would get half of the downtown park and half the side street. We would face Spring Street which is the main street so we would get plenty of exposure. The park is kept in great condition and has lots of old growth trees and is a very pleasant setting. One giant leap above a parking lot. I think there would be some expenses such as insurance and the rental of some portable bathrooms. The Main Steet Board will meet next month to approve this if this is your wish. As I said before I will be the point man and will help in any way I can but I do not want to run this show. This area is loaded with wineries last count is over 75 and any one of them would love to see some speedsters show up in their parking lot. Of course the country roads are great and the beauty in the spring of the year is fantastic. The beaches are only over the hill 30 miles away.
I have been out of town for three weeks and just turned on the site and nice to see all the chat about a potential new location for 2006. Paso sounds like the place to go and as I suggested on 10/8 a commitee needs to be formed and some decisions need to be made on behalf of the entire group. An event like this can not be organized on line and a small group of people need to do the majority of the work. There is no other way. I belong to another national organisation and each year a small group of men in a different city around the country take on the responsibility to run the national convention. They do all the work and take on all the financial risk. They also are rewarded with any profit they can make from the convention to offset their time and labor. Each year for the past 25 years the commitee has made a pretty good profit. Just something to think about????? Lets see, thats 435 hot dogs at a .57 cent profit and 567 beers at a .92 cent profit and ......................
I've heard how difficult it is to organize a show, I see why, nobody gives a shit...There should be some banter on this thread for the 06 speedster run, who wants to go.....
Does anyone know the dates for the Knotts show in 06, so we don't coincide with it by accident....Michael C. has furnished dates that would be good for the city of Paso, but sounds very close to the weekend of the AHA show.....I think we need to have a spread of at least a few weeks between shows.....
David, Although I agree with putting on a show being complicated, It sounds like you just made it more so with the profit thing...
We need more response from you guys......and the clock is ticking...

i have never organized anything in my life but I will volunteer to be on the committee if we can form one to get this thing off the ground....Actually it is off the ground, We have a destination and a possible venue, we need dates so we can look into hotels in the area, the first thing they ask for are dates and how many rooms, so unless I'm going by myself, how about forming a list of who wants to go....I really like the poker run Idea it will give everyone a chance to see some of the cool coastline, and I would be willing to organize it, I'll go up early and get stopping points but will need volunteers to man each stop to hand out cards....
Theron, can you get a list started somewhere on the site for us to sign up, and if some of you have suggestions for prizes....
Not to mention - there are some of us who WILL attend Knott's just to see other kit cars - I don't necessarily mean speedsters or Cobras either. Where else do I see a Devin D, or replica Healy? As for judging, I could care less about judging. Nobody is going to vote for my speedster anyway - too many outlaw modifications. In fact, I only attend Knott's on Saturday and return home that night.
What is missing from Knotts' is an UNTIMED autocross for show cars. Nobody allowed to change any parts from street legal drive-in show registration until drive-out.

My point? An all speedster event at another locale is nice, I support that, but don't COMPETE Knott's. Just make it another weekend. And, being from San Diego, Encinitas sounds great! Driving three or more hours to get through Los Angeles traffic is hell in my truck, let alone the speedster. But that's only me. I support your venture wherever it occurs.
David, the Paso Robles show wasn't meant to conflict with the Knotts show. It is by coincidence that that perticular weekend in Paso Robles the city is putting on an Antique fair complete with antique automobiles, and has offered our speedster group a place in their show parked on the street or wherever, and we are taking advantage of this situation......
Perhaps in 07 we may change locations or weekends....
Besides can you think of a better location....Morro Bay, Pismo beach,
Cambria, right in the middle of wine country.....I can't......
It also means that almost everyone attending will have to have driven their cars a substancial distance, except for one or two people.....

We picked Paso Robles, because it is the exact halfway point between SF Bay Area and Los Angeles area.

Paso Robles, gave us 2 weekends that the city would support. April 22-23 or July 4th.
We went with April 22-23rd BEFORE the Knotts show was announced for that weekend.

We are not looking to compete. Our events are very different. Knotts is your basic parking lot car show. We're hoping to make Paso a full weekend of relaxing, driving and socializing.

-=theron
Bruce and Mike:

My apologies about the incorrect information. I didn't know others made the arrangements in prior years. The agent told me that, if I would sign a contract obligating myself to pay 80% of the charges for any unreserved rooms, she would give us a block of rooms to work on at a $99.00 rate. The block would only be held until two weeks before the event. I declined this offer. I do believe the $109.00 is a competitive rate for the area, and the motel is better than many nearby. And I'll try to console Jennifer Buck about your absence, Vince.
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