356 Speedster wanted

Herzlich Willkommen zum Wahnsinn! 

Diese Firme ist in die nahe meine Schwiegermutter in die nahe Köln. Sie sind Händler für Beck Speedster und andere Repliken. Ich glaube sie weiß alles an TÜV.  http://car-special.de

Es tut mir leid mein Deutsch ist sehr schleckt.  Ich bin Amerikaner.

Hi Tom!

 

I understand your "bad german" very good  also it is not bad!

Thanks a lot for your answer.

I know this company but they only sell their own cars.

 

 

Are you looking to buy in the states and obtain help in shipping it to Germany?

 

My point was that they might be willing to help you understand the TÜV requirements.

I'm sure the major current makers have insight to dealing with very strict TÜV rules.  I would not attempt to import a 30 year old home built CMC/FF into Germany.  Merely being titled wrong here in US will result in it being a flower box there. Aren't all post 1992 cars required to meet stringent TÜV emissions testing? So a kit car build on a say 1970 VW chassis but not completed and registered until 1994 would need emissions testing.

 

Many Speedster tail light lenses say TAIWAN, have no rear fog lamp, sealed beam headlamps most likely will need changing, plus Speedo often in MPH not required KMH.  I can't picture aftermarket EMPI Chinese made disc brakes passing in Germany. They seem to frown on a car comprised of various bits and pieces glued together with fiberglass resin.

Hi Christian

both of them.

the problem in germany is the TÜV requirements if the car has a title before 1983 there are no problems but if it's later the provisions of the manufacturer year are effective.

I will try to ask this company but I think if they are able to help me its to expensive

The VW pan-based Speedsters a are often titled based off of the VIN & year of the donor car, many of which are older.  Technically, they're Beetles with a fancy body.  That means Vintage or JPS with Vintage being the highest volume producer of all.  I think the registration problem is similar in CA due to smog requirements.

I imagine Vintage has shipped a few cars to Germany & could be of assistance.

Hello Wolfgang,

you are right these are the problems in germany everything is strictly regulated.

But if I can find a speedster with a right title before 1983 or 1988 there a no problems so is my hope.

The next problem I can not come to US so I must buy blind that's a big risk for me because I do not know anyone personally in US

what do you think about this car

http://cars.trovit.com/index.p...section_type.1/pop.0

CMC's are all kit builds done by the owner.  Quality of completion is a function of the builder.  These are also pan-based.  If you are going pan-based, I would recommend getting a pre-sorted one from Troy Sloan on this board.  He buys used Speedsters, sorts out all the problems, and then sells them on.  This might be your most secure path the Speedster ownership.

You wouldn't be "buying Blind"...Rest easy.

 

This is family!!!

 

These are the greatest collection of enthusiasts who will willingly go out of their way to evaluate anything that would meet your import criteria

I have read several times by slon and he looks very sympathetic and it seems as if he was very honest.
but I always have to keep an eye on the price I think this is the biggest problem

Hi Carl

I think so too and that is the reason why I registered here.
I've been here for a day and get more support here than I ever hoped for.

It's realy a great forum with very nice members thanks at all!!!

Schuss...

 

Come to think of it, here's a contact in Eindoven Netherlands who assembles replica speeders. He may be of help.

 

          Marco Mulders

          <  vwsamba@gmail.com  >

Thanks a lot I will contact him!

Alan Merklin is also helpful. He's on the East Coast and knows his way around a build. He could also help you get the car shipped to Baltimore, from where it can be sent to Germany. Expect him to drop by the thread any time now.

I do know that Vintage Speedsters ships their builds to Germany

Hi Alan

yes you are right there is a company in Germany where you can buy a new speedster vintage have a look for the follow link

 

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Porsche...;hash=item19ea7df30b

 

you see it's very expensive I can spent only 14k€ (19000,-$).

perhaps it always will be just a big dream for us...

Keep saving...

 

Does that include shipping, customs, VAT?  That leaves you with a $12k car.  $20k for car will give you wide selection.  SOC members are frequently willing to check a potential car out for you. DrClock has shipping connections out of NJ (East Coast by NY).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not include with shipping, costums, VAT. But the car must have an title before 1983  because then the car is an oldtimer and no customs and only 6-7% VAT must be payed

Can someone clarify as this has confused me - and I realize different states have different laws.  If a replica is registered as year of the chassis (say a 1970 VW 2 door sedan) it sits on (even though fiberglass body is from say 1989) would that qualify?  Or does new owner have to document that the vehicle was fully assembled and registered before 1983? If registered as a 1970 VW sedan is registering official going to say - "sure looks like a convertible to me" and reject the title?

 

In my case I have a 1970 chassis with matching title, a 1972 engine case, a 1989 CMC title looking Certificate of Origin (CO), and car is yet to be register (since once registered it has to have insurance on it in FL or your driver's license is revoked - plus when in VA I'd even have to pay yearly personal property tax on it). I plan to title it as a 1970 VW (not sure about how the titles' sedan, orange color, $100 chassis Bill of Sale purchase price, and long gone ODO 72k miles will go over with FL tax officials. I do have CO and a spreadsheet of parts costs with receipts for over $13k (on which I paid sales tax on many be 50%). Frankly, there weren't many Speedster kits built before 1983 - some IMs, FF and maybe early CMCs. Probably a lot registered as year of donor or even as a 1955-57 Speedster.  Special construction seems to take the year built/registered.  

 

Add to above that some states don't even issue title for cars over 15 years old and importing a car into another state or country can be a quagmire! Emissions and safety equipement can be another hurdle. I've heard of folks importing costly old cars into the US only to have them seized by customs/EPA/DOT and end up going to the crushers.

It would certainly be helpful IF there existed a state by state compiled information source of DMV regulations concerning these replicas that we own.

Wolfgang,

 

Gordon covered this with me last year when I bought my CMC.  The title for the car indicated that it was a 1968 VW sedan.  Engine case numbers indicated a 1973 that had been changed to a 1835 cc anyway. I was concerned about registration and receipts, CO etc of which none existed. I only had the registration from the previous owner from Maine.  Gordon suggested that I use the VW route and forget about the replica/Porsche route, advice which I heeded.  In my state the DMV inspectors are looking for receipts for all major components for a car that was assembled and registered in 1990. Not gonna happen. That being said cars change color all of the time. Use the path of least resistance, insure with a company like Haggerty or Grundy for short money and enjoy your vintage Volkswagen.

Frank

 

http://www.dmv.org/ is a pretty good starting place for registering vehicles in different states.  Of course our plastic copies don't fit the different categories perfectly.  I'm amazed that in VA a car was an antique after 25 years old but in FL it has to be 30 years old.  Titling/plates are much cheaper for antiques - although some have mileage and use constraints.

 

And http://www.dmv.org/custom-built-cars.php

 

 

Every state is different but in NY I wouldn't use antique registration. Very heavy mileage and usage restrictions. YOM(year of manufacturer) plates are a different story, that is not a big deal if you can do it(and have a 55-56 title).

Greg,

Why even concern yourself with a Florida registration...just cruise around inside your spacious garage/barn!

in Germany the new owner have to document that the vehicle was fully assembled and registered before 1983 that's right

Hey Schuss...

 

How about renting a furnished room in France, or across the Rhine in the Netherlands, and registering the car to that address???

That's an good idea but you must have your primary residence register there
and you have to prove that you live there for 186 days per year to register a car

Hummm? Well, Schuss...it looks like the vehicle registration Gestapos have you by the short hairs.

 

But, take heart Schuss. 'Where there's a will there's a way'

That's my way I never give up!!!

just got an offer from a german company to make tüv in Germany ... the price is 7000,-€ or 9600,-$

Look a new Ad was just posted to this site in classified. Look good

yes it looks very good!!! The problem is the TÜV in Germany! These cars from intermecaniccahave a lattice tube frame and you diden't have any chance to become TÜV

Believe this is an early IM with a pan frame

carl you are right!  who can read has a clear advantage

Shuss,

 

Pulling the trigger on a speedster purchase is a stressful 'should I, shouldn't I?' tug of war...I've experienced this anxiety and have witnessed others grappling with it.

 

This IM is an exceptional $$ value with an exceptional provenance...One of the best I've seen for sale...It's obviously well sorted (trouble free)... PLUS, it meets the 'acceptance criteria' for German registration. I think an opportunity for you this good is going to be very few, if any, and certainly far between. 

 

Often the deciding factor is simply Can I recoup my money if I have too?