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500HP FLAT SIX/AIR COOLED

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Stan GalatStan Galat
El Frazoo posted:
Will it fit in a Speedster??  Who will be first to try??

Yes. Henry had done many.

Nobody. Singer has lots of straight-up unobtainium stuff, available nowhere but on their cars. This Williams mill will surely be at the top of the "not for you" list, even if you had the $100k it's likely to command.

I would bet money (which is saying something, as I am a tightwad) that not even Rod Emory or Magnus Walker or Jerry Seinfeld could get their hands on an "engine only" for ANY amount of money, so nobody is going to be dropping one of these in a fancy clown car. 

It is an awesome thing, however. 

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Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:
El Frazoo posted:
Will it fit in a Speedster??  Who will be first to try??

Yes. Henry had done many.

Nobody. Singer has lots of straight-up unobtainium stuff, and this Williams mill will be at the top of the list. I would bet money (which is saying something, as I am a tightwad) that not even Rod Emory or Magnus Walker or Jerry Seinfeld could get their hands on an "engine only" for ANY amount of money. 

I ordered one this morning to put in the back of my 1961 PLYMOUTH VALIANT!

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Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:
El Frazoo posted:
Will it fit in a Speedster??  Who will be first to try??

Yes. Henry had done many.

Nobody. Singer has lots of straight-up unobtainium stuff, available nowhere but on their cars. This Williams mill will surely be at the top of the "not for you" list, even if you had the $100k it's likely to command.

I would bet money (which is saying something, as I am a tightwad) that not even Rod Emory or Magnus Walker or Jerry Seinfeld could get their hands on an "engine only" for ANY amount of money, so nobody is going to be dropping one of these in a fancy clown car. 

It is an awesome thing, however. 

At end of article, the authors suggest $1 million for a SINGER/WILLIAMS 4.0...

AND...might find one in a "STARKE/SINGER" once the KREMLIN and PUTIN complete the financing......

Stan GalatStan Galat
DannyP posted:

Ok, impressive.

But what do we have, 2500 pounds optimistically, more likely 3000 or more.

My Spyder weighs 1476, so if I had about 250-260 hp and a huge set of brass balls, the same power/weight ratio. Easily done with an EFI turbo on a type1.

But, I'll never have that flat6 sound though.

I really doubt the car these will go into will even hit 2500 lbs, Dan.

... and as for the 250-260 hp turbo Type 1, that engine would last about a season hammering on it in the real world. A dead-nuts reliable 170-190 is way, way better.

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DannyP posted:

Ok, impressive.

But what do we have, 2500 pounds optimistically, more likely 3000 or more.

My Spyder weighs 1476, so if I had about 250-260 hp and a huge set of brass balls, the same power/weight ratio. Easily done with an EFI turbo on a type1.

But, I'll never have that flat6 sound though.

YES SIR: I will tell you that the SOUND is SPECIAL....very DEEP without being roar...sort of a refined growl....but yes indeed, music to my ears along with TORQUE UNDER TUSH....

edsnovaedsnovaBaltimore - BCW 52 MG TD Supporting Member

There are many ways to put 500 hp (or 700, what the hell) in a 911 for less $. 

Depends on what kind of bragging rights you're after. 

We all want some kind of bragging rights, it seems. 

My hope now is that Chuck Beck grabs one of these Singer/Williams mills and chops two cylinders out of it before installing it in the 904. Just because he's Chuck.

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edsnova posted:

There are many ways to put 500 hp (or 700, what the hell) in a 911 for less $. 

Depends on what kind of bragging rights you're after. 

We all want some kind of bragging rights, it seems. 

Lighter, more powerful by 1.5- 2x, 1/5 the money. The LSx engines are miracles.

We live in the absolute golden age of pushrod V8 power and affordability- and here we are, longing for engines at the absolute tip of an engineering dead end.

Jim Ignacio is the only one of us with a lick of sense-- and maybe you too, Ed.

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