Thoughts! Would a 914 2.0 be too much for a speedster with normal 4.5 or 5.5 tires? Or is it better suited to a wide body or spyder.
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Suitable for all three.
Do it!
The Porsche T4 engine is available in 1.7, 1.8 and 2.0L - so from about 76 hp to 106 hp. The 2L used a stroked crank (71 mm vs 66 mm), different heads and bigger cylinders. A 2270 cc engine will give you 150 hp. So any variant will work either in the OEM current flat pancake format or with the Raby DTM shroud. You will need a different (200 mm one from T4 bus) flywheel if mating to a T1 transaxle. A very dependable engine core for big bore and increased hp.
the 2 liter crank is an offset ground 1.7 crank , so smaller diameter rod bearings ,
a 2 liter motor with 3 bolt manifolds is from a 914 . the 2 liter bus motors have the regular 4 bolt heads .
ohhh and a 2 liter motor is really 1911cc ..........marketing 
question would be getting heat exchange pipes, as I believe (I could be wrong here) the 914's heads exhaust from the bottom of the head (more like 911) not the sides, so normal bus/bug heat exchange tubes would not work?? only matters if you want heat from engine..
All Type 4 heads exhaust out the bottom , 72 and up VW buses in the USA had Type 4 motors and you "could" use those heater boxes , as did VW 411-412 cars from the early 70s .
914 also had heater boxes but the exhaust pipes aee a couple feet long since its a mid engine car , I never saw anyone modify 914 heater boxes/ long exhaust pipes to work in a rear engine car ,
There does seem to be a few people using the cheap Chinese clone of an Eberspacher gas heater that runs on diesel . It puts out LOTS of heat !
My type IV, big bore kit, updated crank, cam, and reworked heads, with DTM V2 cooling kit ready to install in my tub.
The motor is matched with Vintage Speed exhaust headers and muffler. Had them make the exhaust tailpipes slightly larger and lowered to clear the bumper.
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T4 Bus heat exchangers work and produce great heat. T4 411/412 heat exchangers work too but they don't have internal aluminum fins and are a preheater for the gas heater. You can use the stubs from the 914 heat exchangers and make your own headers (sans heat).
Tangerine Racing used to make a costly T4 exhaust. I like the looks of that VS system.
@imperial posted:All Type 4 heads exhaust out the bottom , 72 and up VW buses in the USA had Type 4 motors and you "could" use those heater boxes , as did VW 411-412 cars from the early 70s
Thanks, good to know! I had not started looking into this yet as I picked up a T1 motor from another SOC guy. I'll look into building my own T4 later..
step 1: build the car (still here)
step 2: get it looking like I want
step 3: re-performance the car (wheels, brakes, suspension, engine....)
Joe Cali (4Gen) wrote a pamphlet on doing the up-right conversion using both T4 and T1 engine tin. Obviously a T1 fan shroud and fan plus cut up T1/T4 cylinder covers. I like the servicabilty of the OEM flat pancake engine. HA, there is room for luggage back there. The cross beam above exhaust may have to be moved back a small amount. It can also serve as a rear engine support.
I think a Type IV is a superb engine for low end torque and the extra oil coolant is for sure better than having to so a Simpson drilling procedure on the other hand a type one can be made to go it all depends what turns your crank so to speak.
As good aircooled parts become more unobtanium it gets harder hence the subie options and the turn the key and go mode has lured many of us including me to the non a/c side. I love the torque of the S cars but the aircooled simplicity is nice as well especially if your skilled enough to get a good FI module setup on it like DannyP.
In the end every platform you choose has it's nuances, or nuisances you get used to your platform and what to maintain or keep an eye on.
One of these days when my turn comes up Pat Downs will be building a 2.65L Type 4 for my speedster. Pat claims 180hp 230ft-lbs. Sounds like a lot but I've got a 200hp 2.5L Suby in my Spyder. Its just about perfect. I think the big T4 will be awesome in a speedy. Supposeable spring of 2024. Cutting back a bit at work in 2024 so I hope I'll have more free time to enjoy.
As I was contemplating reducng my work and my career and of course when to slow down and reduce my load my mother said to me.... There is a time learn then to work hard and then time to reduce your workload and then a time to retire and be master of your day. Best of luck on the planning A Type IV with FI would be really sweet. Any AC in the plans?
After 20 years of career building, I took an Engineering management job with a company that took off and grew at over 300% per year for ten straight years. The stress level was off the charts and that took it’s toll on me and my family over time (I’m sure you can relate).
Then, I had an opportunity to side-step into a Marketing role (same company) and semi-retired for the next three years while having a lot of fun and making a difference for our customers. After that, I figured, “What the heck” and really retired and never looked back.
If I can do that, you can, too.
Good luck with your next phase and remember all those years you’ve paid into your retirement fun time account.
Gordon
I’ve been doing every 4th night call for 33 years. Working from 730 am until 5 pm the NEXT day. It’s insane. Sleep deprivation started taking a real toll on my body and mind at about 57. I’m 63 now. I’ve had enough. It’s a lot on money to give up but some things are more important than money. So I’m going to keep working full time but no more call in 2024.
Ray I’ve got this motto with kit cars. I’m talking to myself here, “keep it simple stupid”. No heat. No AC. I am going to do a concealed stereo. But that’s it.
NIght shifts are extremely hard to do as we age but you can go longer if your still interested and keep the cash flow going, especially if you get a good nights sleep.
As we are all getting older as an interventionist Radiologist you have here a full gamet of clients here for PAE Just kidding.
I think the simplicity of a type IV is interesting for sure and the less complicated the better. If your going to do a stereo, sound coming from under the dash to me is a better solution and a sub facing downwards from the trunk on the passenger side gives you sound which is not loss by wind noise. Henry did a few of those...
@550 Phil posted:I’ve been doing every 4th night call for 33 years. Working from 730 am until 5 pm the NEXT day. It’s insane. Sleep deprivation started taking a real toll on my body and mind at about 57. I’m 63 now. I’ve had enough. It’s a lot on money to give up but some things are more important than money. So I’m going to keep working full time but no more call in 2024.
Ray I’ve got this motto with kit cars. I’m talking to myself here, “keep it simple stupid”. No heat. No AC. I am going to do a concealed stereo. But that’s it.
I can't imagine Dr. Phil'd crazy hours ! My Ex father In-law did days - nights and then graveyard shifts changing every two weeks. I know that's what literally killed him. Me, 14 hour days & up to 550 - 700 miles a day driving big truck was a grind.... I did the math awhile back for my 47 years estimated 2.5M miles . No more of the up at 4:00 AM for me , I'm lucky to roll out by 830 AM now days :~)
Good for you, Phil! I mean it.
2014 was a major turning point for me. I was barely 50, but badly burnt out. At the high-point of productivity, I was servicing apx. 20 supermarkets and a couple of cold storage warehouses. By myself. I was driving 40k mi./yr in addition to the work. I designed, engineered, supplied and installed all of the refrigeration for 2 complete supermarkets (in 2009 and 2011), and did a deep 6 figure remodel of a refrigerated warehouse in 2010.
I was hurting myself in jobsite accidents (badly enough to require surgery, etc.) and having a bad crash in a work truck every 3 years or so (something I never thought I’d confess on an open forum). I’d say I was on the hairy edge of flying apart, but I’m not sure I didn’t.
It’s amazing I’m still alive.
The union showed up on one of our jobs where my (non-union) son was working, and I got called in for a “things are gonna’ change” meeting at the hall.
They did.
I hired 2 guys in the course of a couple of months, after 18 years of flying solo. One of the guys didn’t work out, but I took a giant step back from the day-in/day-out stress and I stayed back. I sold our big house, built another, remodeled one for mom (with my dad who was in chemo while we did it). Went to Italy for 3 weeks, then France a few years later.
I’ve taken multiple car trips, visited my daughter and her family in Denver enough to mean something, etc.
I took off the entire winter and spring to get my knees replaced and rehabbed
There’s nowhere near as much money in it doing it this way, but I’ve had nearly 10 years of “semi-retirement”, and I can honestly say I’ve enjoyed it more than I did when I was hammering it, doing big things, and making bank.
I’ve got insurance, I’m still saving a bit of money, I built a shop across the street and I’m remodeling a 150 year old house. I’ve got my own little neighborhood. I didn’t set out to do this stuff, but here I am.
Pulling back is excellent. I hope to stay on this trajectory until my 65th birthday, at least. We’ll see. I still enjoy the work and the customers - but the day I hang it up, I’ll forget I ever worked in a supermarket mechanical room. I’ll put my phone behind the front wheel if my truck, back over it, pull up over it again, then back up again (just to be sure).
Until then, I’m gonna try to keep riding this wave.
I’ve been giving my wife a hard time about keeping our 4000 sq Ft house for years. Me her and a Yorkiepoo. 4 zone house with 4 AC units. She had just ordered a huge gas guzzling Mercedes SUV and I suggested to her that maybe she should think about decreasing the size of her carbon footprint. For god sake she’s the bleeding heart liberal. I told her that maybe she should think about the future of planet earth for her new granddaughter. Well that got her. She didn’t sleep that night. She woke up the next morning and told me she was selling the house and buying a Tesla. So her new Y will be here in June and we sold our big house. Bought a small 2200 sq foot house a block from the Atlantic Ocean in Va Beach. It’s also 2 blocks from First Landing state park. This house and my Cville house are paid off. Definitely starting s new phase of my life. It’s going to be amazing.
My house has 4 A/C units. I'm pretty sure (having run the numbers) that the zones are reducing my carbon footprint by only cooling the areas of the house I'm using.
But you do you, sir. Don't tell Mrs. Phil.
I don’t know much about air conditioners. But I had 2 houses with 5 AC units total. Now I have 2 houses with 2 AC units total. At close to $10k to replace when one poops out I’m pretty happy with 2.
@550 Phil posted:Bought a small 2200 sq foot house a block from the Atlantic Ocean in Va Beach. It’s also 2 blocks from First Landing state park. This house and my Cville house are paid off. Definitely starting s new phase of my life. It’s going to be amazing.
Sir: If you can find the time, this is worth it.
Phil, it sounds as if you're on the right track, and I'm a little bit envious. As I near my 67th b'day just a few weeks off, retirement is still in the future, although like some of you I've been what I call semi-retired since COVID. I love being able to work from home and control my schedule a bit more. While a full retirement would be nice, a few past layoffs, and a younger, non-working spouse with health issues means ideally I need to work until she's eligible for Medicare in 2026. I have recently accepted a position with another defense contractor and it is a 100% remote position (excluding occasional in-office interactions for team-coordination and building). Luckily it was even a slight raise in salary, so things are looking good - except I will miss the generous vacation that 20 years of service with one company gets you. Still, if the work is interesting and the people are good to work with, the net positive is enough to carry me to at least my goal, if not further.
I just have to keep myself fit so that I can enjoy retirement when I finally get there.
BTW, this is some serious thread drift, even for us. 
@550 Phil posted:Bought a small 2200 sq foot house a block from the Atlantic Ocean in Va Beach. It’s also 2 blocks from First Landing state park. This house and my Cville house are paid off. Definitely starting s new phase of my life. It’s going to be amazing.
You surely are.
... let the remodeling begin!
Funny how my parents never replaced anything unless it completely broke. Now after maybe 8 years, its outdated and needs to be redone! My wife will say the fridge is getting old and needs to be replaced - I just stare at her thinking the same thing!
My wife is an interior decorator by trade. The house I’m moving into was completely gutted 2 years ago. But alas I’m sure she’ll replace everything in it. I’ve got a little left over after closing on the big house so it’s all good.
Lane you are spot on about the health thing. What good is retirement if you can’t enjoy it.
And yes a Type 4 is an excellent idea for a speedy replica.
The normal rhythm of life is continual house renos and modifications it seems
@Stan Galat posted:...Lots of important stuff, but this it the kicker!!!-
Pulling back is excellent. I hope to stay on this trajectory until my 65th birthday, at least. We’ll see. I still enjoy the work and the customers - but the day I hang it up, I’ll forget I ever worked in a supermarket mechanical room. I’ll put my phone behind the front wheel of my truck, back over it, pull up over it again, then back up again (just to be sure).
Until then, I’m gonna try to keep riding this wave.
Exactly!!!!!!!!