Al, thought you might get a kick out of this ad found in today's 356 Registry Classifieds: https://porsche356registry.org/classifieds/15421
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4 look like the VW plastic lug bolt covers
Very cool, Will! I don't have enough for my car, so I'll have to register and contact the guy later (gotta go do the work thing. And vote; today's election day in BC. The bars will be closed 'till 8pm. Hmmm.............)
And yeah, Greg, they could be. Or they're aluminum in really great shape (or someone's taken a felt pen to them)
Thanks guys! Al
I actually have a full set of those in 14mm. "Why?", is a very good question. I'm never going to use them, I would entertain offers.
WHAT?!?!?!?
Someone else uses a "Sharpie" to touch up their lug nuts?
And I thought I was the only cheap Yankee around....
This is the description:
(20) Original Aluminum Alloy Light Weight 911 Wheel Nuts - $85
The untouched condition of four of those lug nuts is probably because the original owner of the car removed them and replaced them with locking wheel nuts so his rims wouldn't get stolen.
I am sure a nice set of Empi, black would be fine on most cars and they are new 
Hey no joke & just to be very clear: no way anyone would ever run with lug nuts made out of aluminum, correct?
Here is what to use to refinish them...
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Marty Grzynkowicz posted:Here are some new ones.
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Those are very nice, Marty, but they're steel, so they're heavy.
edsnova posted:Hey no joke & just to be very clear: no way anyone would ever run with lug nuts made out of aluminum, correct?
OEM Porsche lug nuts are aluminum, Ed. They've been used since the first Fuchs wheels were put on the 911. IIrc the only caution with them is to not use an impact gun for installation.
Mine, may be aluminum too. I remember Henry making a comment that he had to change the lugs now that I sent him the new Coddington 944 Spares. I never actually held one in my hand, is that the only way to tell?
You'll know, Marty, as soon as it's in your hand; aluminum weighs aprox 40% of what steel does, so there's quite a difference. The Porsche lug nuts get quite beat up with a normal lug wrench or socket; most (if not all) of the Porsche supply houses market a lined socket for the aluminum lug nuts. Al
Interesting. I never knew that.
Guess I'd better get one of those lined sockets.
And Marty, once you've held a Porsche nut in your hand, there's no going back. 
And you said you weren't witty! That's the laugh of the day, Bob!
We are all Porsche nuts, I think.
"no way anyone would ever run with lug nuts made out of aluminum, correct? "
ummm....Ahhhhhhhh.................no.....I guess......
Marty: They're really light - like, almost nothing to them, like tossing thin metal lugnut covers around.
The lined 19mm socket is a must-have. Craftsman used to be the least expensive (they're not cheap) with Snap-on and Matco at the other end of the spectrum. Never tried a Harbor Freight or Northern Tools version. I think Stoddards and Pelican sells them, too. Get a good one.
Then, they're supposed to take 95 ft. lbs. for torque, same as steel nuts - Dry threads, anti-sieze only on the conical base where it meets the wheel, NOT on the threads.
Now personally, I actually think that 95 ft. lbs. for alloy nuts is a tad on the high side and when I put them on that tight I was always waiting for one to crack or split or something. They didn't, but I still think it's really high so I usually get them mostly tight and then another 1/8'th - 1/4 turn on an 18" bat-handle. Never had one come loose.
Porsche alloy lug nuts are $7+ - $12 at Pelican (Don't get the cheap ones)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/cg...ption=alloy+lug+nuts
Amazing. I figured it had to be a joke, since aluminum threads would strip too easy, the flats would round too easy and they'd want to seize to the studs—a lot of potential trouble & expense to save six ounces per wheel on a street car...
I learned something today.
They're actually pretty cool. First thing you notice is that they don't weigh anything - I mean really light. After that, you just thread'em on and crank'em up tight. I've never had one seize onto a stud, but then they're on and off several times a year as I mess with something. I'll admit that I lube the studs usually once every other year or so (any oil I have kicking around but often Marvel Mystery oil) and have always used a light film of anti-seize on the ball part of the nut, where it touches the wheel. The Fuchs wheel has a ball seat for the nuts and if the wheel and nut corrode together they're really tough to break loose but that takes years.
The $$$ they get for a set of 20 nuts (about $290 with shipping) still seems ridiculous, even though I paid it, once (although I got a full set for about $180 back in 1998). It's that whole "P-Thing" biting your butt, again.
They require a little touch-up now and then. Mine were black Anodized when I got them so I've never painted them but touch them up with a Sharpie every Spring. regular hardened steel socket will wear the edges of the flats so they'll need touchup. I spent $$$ on a teflon-lined socket (I guess Teflon is harder than run-of-the-mill PVC) from Sears just for these nuts and it still wears the corners of the flats. Stoddard offers this one:
http://www.stoddard.com/t52508300.html
and Pelican offers this for about the same $$$:
I think I paid $250 in 2005, and I never put them on. The ones I got were polished, and I thought them a bit to "dainty" for my taste.
Dainty polished Porsche nuts; sounds expensive just saying it. I think you meant to say these nuts are for a fancy pants like the "Cafe Machiatto".
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Well, Marty, if you have Porsche wheel nuts, then you need Porsche wheels, and then Porsche brakes, and then Porsche suspension, and then Porsche steering, and then Porsche engine, and then Porsche transmission.
Did I miss anything? 
edsnova posted:Amazing. I figured it had to be a joke, since aluminum threads would strip too easy, the flats would round too easy and they'd want to seize to the studs—a lot of potential trouble & expense to save six ounces per wheel on a street car...
I learned something today.
I'm guessing that they're made as long as they are to spread the clamping force out enough to take the load without wiping out the aluminum threads. If you're still nervous, they make them in titanium too-
http://www.pelicanparts.com/cg...tion=+lug+nut+socket
a little over 50% heavier than aluminum but 2/3 (aprox) the weight of steel.
Gordon- I'd never seen the aluminum lug nut socket. Mine is like yours, steel with a black (plastic? teflon?) liner
Al: My socket is not Titanium, but a steel, non-impact version, with a beefy teflon insert - Think of a 24mm socket with a thick, 19mm plastic socket inside. A Titanium socket might as well be Unobtanium for all I care - Paying for the lug nuts is bad enough - but they DO make Titanium lug nuts that seem to be all the rage on the Rennlist.
The two sockets I linked to are either full aluminum or have an aluminum insert. They will probably last longer than my teflon-insert socket.
Sorry Gordon, the titanium lug nuts was what I meant to link to. As I said my socket is like yours- steel with an insert.
I'm with Ed: You guys really are mad, and I mean totally out of your minds. Al lug nuts to save a couple of ounces? Seriously???
Those few times when I've been on a track and terrorizing some Porsche C4 or a Mustang that can't shake me no matter what they try, they're worth it!
Gordon Nichols posted:Those few times when I've been on a track and terrorizing some Porsche C4 or a Mustang that can't shake me no matter what they try, they're worth it!
Really, Ive had 2 C4s, 2000 and a 2006....towards end of 2nd gear the the speedy is a speck in the rear view mirror
Bob: IM S6 posted:Well, Marty, if you have Porsche wheel nuts, then you need Porsche wheels, and then Porsche brakes, and then Porsche suspension, and then Porsche steering, and then Porsche engine, and then Porsche transmission.
Did I miss anything?
El Frazoo posted:I'm with Ed: You guys really are mad, and I mean totally out of your minds. Al lug nuts to save a couple of ounces? Seriously???
Guys- aluminum lug nuts are what 911's came with when shod with Fuchs alloys. I'm not makin' this up...
This guy has some advertised on the Samba https://www.thesamba.com/vw/cl...etail.php?id=1732972
edsnova posted:
I'm pretty sure you're my doppelgänger, Ed (or I'm yours).
My wife has never appreciated The Blues Brothers, The Godfather, or Apocalypse Now. It's her loss-- I'm amused, and that is enough.
I loved the Blues Brothers and kinda still do, even though the movie arguably hasn't aged all that well in the cultural firmament. What it did do, to its lasting credit, is introduce a generation of bullet-headed white boys to the pure, deep roots of the music they'd been already enjoying (albeit in an amped-up, hyper-cheesified and debased form); and to the utter majesty of a by-then old, fat and absolutely regal Aretha Franklin. And for that, our nation owes Ackroyd and Belushi a solemn debt of gratitude.
"And for that, our nation owes Ackroyd and Belushi a solemn debt of gratitude."
Dan Ackroyd, good old Canadian boy...both Belushi and he got their start with Second City. Great comedy. 
How I miss John Candy, another local lad.
edsnova posted:I loved the Blues Brothers and kinda still do, even though the movie arguably hasn't aged all that well in the cultural firmament. What it did do, to its lasting credit, is introduce a generation of bullet-headed white boys to the pure, deep roots of the music they'd been already enjoying (albeit in an amped-up, hyper-cheesified and debased form); and to the utter majesty of a by-then old, fat and absolutely regal Aretha Franklin. And for that, our nation owes Ackroyd and Belushi a solemn debt of gratitude.
Absolutely. I didn't know the blues from Jack Squat before that movie.
I also never saw so many automobiles destroyed in one film prior to this one. In a pre CGI world, they filmed a 10 minute long chase scene inside a shopping mall.
No, it hasn't aged well, but it remains a touchstone (along with "A Christmas Story") of a particular time in this bullet-headed white boy's life.
Having spend most of the first 43 years of my life in Memphis, the blues were destined to be in my blood. I can't play any kind of instrument and I certainly can't sing, but I am a talented listener.
A Couple of years ago I went on a bike ride near the base of Mount Washington in New Hampshire with some biking friends. I remember riding up over Crawford Notch (one helluva uphill) while listening to "Sweet Home Chicago" by the Blues Brothers on my earbuds. The cadence is about 70 rpm. Took me all the way to the top.
ALB posted:El Frazoo posted:I'm with Ed: You guys really are mad, and I mean totally out of your minds. Al lug nuts to save a couple of ounces? Seriously???
Guys- aluminum lug nuts are what 911's came with when shod with Fuchs alloys. I'm not makin' this up...
I forgot to mention that they're light is just a bonus...
.....I love this mall....lots 'o space....