An interesting fire suppression system

You guys crack me up.  First, you have no idea what FE36 costs, or what the product costs to produce and ship here.  If it is so cheap and easy go down to the FE36 store and make your own.  Please let me know where you live that products are sold at cost, I'd love to take advantage of that.  I'm unsubscribing from the thread and will not be checking it any longer.  If you are interested in buying this effective and reasonably priced product please contact me directly.  Have a great nite.

Yikes.  No offense but as the owner of multiple small enterprises in my day, people are entitled to a profit.  Somewhere there was R&D, sourcing the right materials, and guessing anyone just can't walk in and get the necessary $40.00 worth of inert gas.

I applaud the seller for going through the hassle of importing these, dealing with customs, putting together a marketing effort, torching a bus, etc.

Most would pay $225 for their SmartPhone that costs about $50 to manufacture in China.  Your $225 SmartPhone, won't save a burning ~$20,000 Speedster.

Just a thought, no offence.

-Ronin

I just checked may ipad and there is no app for fire extinguisher so you might be right!

Ronin, you're 'skirting' and minimizing the exorbitant profit equation of this item... just as you glibbly skirted its certification question...by playing on the fears of its potential buyers.

Is a legitimate profit whatever the traffic will bear?? or is extortion a more apt verb than exorbitant? 

Carl, can you make something better for a cheaper price?

I'm thinking of buying one just to piss Carl off...

Hey Terry,

I'm going to bed with a big smile on my face...Thanks

I guess I just have a different perspective.  I have spent that much money on Sushi only to crap it out.  And yes, a legitimate profit is whatever the traffic/market will bear.  For a small enterprise, with a niche product, I would expect at a MINIMUM a 100% mark up.  Until the product catches on, his per unit cost might be higher until he can purchase larger quantities. (guessing)

Consider, the average mark up on (non-Ikea) furniture is 300%.  That bottle of wine at a restaurant, again 300% mark up on average.  Wine "by the glass", the general rule is the "glass price" pays for the entire bottle more or less.

So, I fail to see exorbitant profit.  I Googled FE36 fire extinguisher.  I see prices of $525 for a 9.5lb extinguisher, and $195 for 2.5lb.  The cheapest FE36 system at Summit Racing is $517 and a hell of a lot of work to install. 

What they have done is package up a plug-n-play system that could save your car for $225 and installs in under minutes.  It can even save your car when you are not around to push a button.  My time is worth more than that.

As far as the question of certification.  A "Rapid Startup" company model these days is go live as soon you have a product.  And again, EMPI, Dietary Supplements, and cheap Chinese products with "FAKE UL" stickers all fall under the same umbrella in my opinion.  I fail to see the downside, in a false positive, accidental going off of the system the worst that is going to happen is your engine will get dirty, and possibly stall.  No different than a Compufire/Pertronix module failing as you drive down the road.  Now, if it fails in a true positive, yes your out $20,000+$225, unless you are nearby and carry a fire extinguisher already like I do.  If you fear a failure under a true positive, than invest in something else.

I do not know JORG, nor have a vested interest.  However, as someone with an entrepreneurial spirit, I applaud him and this time saving product that has been demonstrated to work.  

I think I am going to buy one, and help support the little guy business man. 

-Ronin

Now--  Economics, Economy of Scale, and regulatory agency aside-- something just occurred to me whilst in the shower.  Flow??? 

I hope we have not lost Josh/JOGR, here is a legitimate question.

The demo shows a non-running engine.  We all know, our big Aircooled engines move a lot of air.  The doghouse fan has high CFM, our dual carb's move a lot of air.  And then the question, how good are your engine compartment seals.

That said.  Airflow while cruising at 3000 rpm???  My fear is that the suppression gas will simply get sucked through the fan and out to the road....  What about at idle sitting at a red light or freeway traffic?  Will it have enough to still work?

Again, I am a fan (no pun intended) of the product.  My scenario above however assumes an oblivious driver who can't smell the flames or see the smoke in the rear view or sense an issue.  In my estimate, a smart person would; a.) notice the fire b.) shut off the ignition and coast in neutral.  Hopefully before the system goes off maximizing efficiency of the suppression gas.  

Finally, in my estimate, in the case of a running engine-- this would need to be mounted on the deck lid of our cars.  It probably could NOT be mounted behind the shroud area.

-Ronin

Carl, you sound like a real jerk.  

AHH BACK TO GOOD OLD THREADS

JIMMY GET ME A BEER

Hey Guys.

Yesterday I emailed Safecraft because I am truly interested in all of this certification talk that has been brought up.  It was a non issue in my research and decision to import the product.  I asked about their RS products as they are the closest to Blazecut in price and market.  

This is my email to Safecraft:

Can you tell me has the RS series product you sell been tested, rated, and qualified by ANSI (American National Standards Institute), UL (Underwriters Laboratory), and NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) and is it SFI approved?

Actually, Carl is not a real jerk.

Actually Carl is a good contributor to this site and a fine man. I met Carl in Carlisle and he was terriffic---a U.S. Marine too, which I am as well.

I think we need to keep the discourse civil.  It was getting better and better, I thought.

We can all relax now that Jack has given his blessing about Carl and his coolness.

This site is now much more civil (boring) because "El Diablo" has left the building....

    Gerd, please pass the penis, I mean Peanuts...... 

Further research gets scarier.  But hey, different strokes for about to become way different folks.

JIMMY, PASS VINCE THE PEN__

JACK, U SHOULD BE WEARING A PEACE SIGN AROUND YOUR NECK. U SURE U WERE NOT A CLOSET HIPPIE BACK IN THE DAY.  COME ON JACK SPILL THE BEANS.

Gerddddd, can't wait to see you.....

I CANT MAKE THIS TRIP

Promises, promises...

you are totally right!  how quickly i forget how much $ i spend on this car.  It was not $60, it was closer to $100 for everything.  i am not including the other test extinguisher as i plan on putting that toward my air suspension budget total (don't ask LOL)

took several evenings to fabricate this.  probably total time of 6 hours.

i value my time, but i value doing things myself and learning first.  if the folks who built their own cars on here counted the hours we put into the builds, the hourly rate (when it came to reselling) would be $<1. 

Actually it costs Apple $167.50 to make 1 Iphone5

And the unsubsidized no contract phone costs you $649. 

http://store.apple.com/us/buy/...one5?product=IPHONE5

Jogr,

You really don't have to defend your price point. The market will dictate in the long run. Kudos to you for recognizing a viable product and the area to market it. 

I wish you the best of luck.

The concern I see for this replica market is whether there would be enough material in the case of an engine fire. Fiberglass burns much quicker than metal. I remember one speedster that was gone in a few minutes. Would the longer unit work?

I carry a Halatron extinguisher in my ride but I figure the car would be a total loss, regardless.

Ron O,

Yea, sometimes I 'shound like a jerk'...and that's only because sometimes I am!

Me too.

I just ordered the the Blazecut for the following reasons:

1. It's simple.

2. It gives me another layer of fire protection.

3. I have a fire extinguisher, but there is a good chance that the Blazecut will suppress the fire before I could. I have to notice the fire, pull over, get the extinguisher out, pop the lid and then extinguish the fire. I'm not sure how long that might take, but I'm guessing the Blazecut will beat me to it.

4. The cost of a fire is high and I am interested in a product that could helps me avoid that. After watching the video, I think this product could give me a extra 1-2 minutes. 

I know the odds of losing my car to a fire are relatively low, but I never purchase "insurance" based on the odds, but instead I consider the costs if a tragedy were to occur. 

Bottom line: I think this is a cheap second layer of protection that may give me an extra minute or two to avoid a costly meltdown.

I think it's a brilliant idea, and no I don't know these guys or own stock in the company!  I just admire clever and simple solutions. 

Cole