Auction ends in 17 hrs, currently at $150k. I'm putting the over/under at $250k and I'll say "over".
This (old racers with provenance) seems to be the stuff that "money-guys" go ape over.
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RNM at $195k
Pretty cool but it's just an old club racer, apparently not converted to racing until the late '60s? "Old racers with provenance" usually means something like the Mille (or at least Bridgehampton) in period, no?
@edsnova posted:Pretty cool but it's just an old club racer, apparently not converted to racing until the late '60s? "Old racers with provenance" usually means something like the Mille (or at least Bridgehampton) in period, no?
I think if you've still got the t-shirt they give you with the entry fee it counts.
@edsnova posted:Pretty cool but it's just an old club racer, apparently not converted to racing until the late '60s? "Old racers with provenance" usually means something like the Mille (or at least Bridgehampton) in period, no?
Maybe? I missed my guess, so... it proves I have nothing in common with the "money guys", if nothing else.
Here is what the seller posted...
BlueChipCar (The Seller) This author's likes: 2,715
"Sothebys estimate was 350,000 to 450,0000 in our humble opinion originality and extensibly documented history is invaluable and all we know is that this car simply steals the show everywhere it goes. It is the embodiment of true competition vintage Porsches."
So the high bid was not even close to the reserve
Bid $195,000, Sotheby's estimate $350,000 to $450,000? Does that speak to Sotheby's credibility?
I don’t know. I think we can point to both Lane and Ed’s experience with BaT as to the fickleness of the auction crowd. IMO, those are “pristine, nut and bolt restoration” or “90pt completely original numbers matching” Speedster numbers. I don’t think the average “money is no object” collector type is going to be interested in a race car. Sure, had it been raced in period by Stirling Moss in the Mille or PanAmerica, but not some SCCA racer from the 70’s.
I think a more realistic number would have been 175-200,000. At least from what I’ve seen over the last few years.
A bit of thread drift here.......maybe.
I just came across this on BaT:
https://bringatrailer.com/list...1978-ford-granada-5/
Why on Earth would someone buy a stripped down Grenada and put it away for safe keeping? I read the back story.....I'm not buying it for a second.
@Kevin - Bay Area posted:Why on Earth would someone buy a stripped down Grenada and put it away for safe keeping? I read the back story.....I'm not buying it for a second.
The bid jumped from $2600 to $9500. Somebody wants this thing. For the convenience of SOC, here's the most popular comment on BAT for this Grenada:
CaptainMyCaptain This author's likes: 23,873
DATELINE DEARBORN, 1960:
“Boys, the imports are killing us. We thought they’d go away, but they just keep coming. We gotta have something to compete against ‘em. Small, but American. Cheap to buy, cheaper to build. Come up with something quick to stem the tide.” The Boss looked worried.
“We got it Boss. It’s plain. It’s simple. It will put the Beetle in its place and we’ll own the market. We’re calling it the Falcon,” the Minions said.
DATELINE DEARBORN, 1970:
“Men, the imports are still killing us. We thought we had the answer, but apparently we didn’t. At least the market didn’t think so. We gotta have something to offer that will get back some market share in the small car field. Something that’ll drive people to the showrooms again.” The Boss still looked worried.
“We got it, Boss. We’ll take the Falcon, spruce it up, call it ‘Maverick’ and make it a competitor against the imports. People will love it. We’ll start out with a 2-door coupe and see how it goes. Add a sedan later. We’ll own the market again.”
“Didn’t we already turn the Falcon into a Mustang?” The Boss was on his toes.
“Exactly. Biggest seller since the Model T. We proved the formula works!” The Minions were on top of their game.
Trusting the Minions, The Boss left for his manicure and massage feeling as though the answer was well at hand.
DATELINE DEARBORN, 1975:
“The imports from Germany and Sweden are killing us. The sales of our sedan-yachts are tanking because of the darned oil situation. We gotta come up with something, the stock is tanking because of our tanks.” The Boss looked worried and was slurring his words.
“Already on it, Boss. We take the Maverick, make it boxy and slap on a vinyl top and some fake wood grain. Make people think it looks like a Mercedes. Run ads with the two of them together. Call it a ‘Granada’. Sounds kind of European.” The Minions had done their homework. “We’ll make a Mercury version called ‘Monarch’. Nothing more European than Monarchs. Even throw a four-on-the-floor in a few of them and call it sporty!”
“But isn’t that really just the Falcon from a decade and a half ago?” The Boss wasn’t slurring his words as much as they thought he was.
“They’ll never know,” the Minions replied. “Trust us.”
The Boss was late for his court date to get rid of Wife #2. He trusted they had the situation fully under control.
DATELINE DEARBORN, 1977:
“Cadillac is kicking our backside with this new small Cadillac. Never thought I’d see the day!” The Boss looked tired, concerned, and like his mind might be somewhere else. Maybe Wife #3. “We gotta do something.”
“Way ahead of you, Boss.” The Minions were ready this time. “We take the Granada, slap a Lincoln grille on the front and a fake tire hump on the trunk. We come up with a new paint process to make it shiny. We thought we’d call it ‘Clearcoat’. Folks will be so impressed with the paint, they won’t notice that it’s a Granada underneath. Seats will be leather. More fake wood grain all around the cabin. We’ll call it ‘Versailles’. It sounds French!”
“It is French, you idiot,” The Boss still had it. “And isn’t all this really just the Falcon from nearly 20 years ago? I just don’t know how much we can get by with. Things are different now. People are smarter.”
The Minions thought the Boss might be on to them.
“But still . . . it might just work.”
Dealer – “Do you want to order any options on your new Granada?”
Buyer – ‘No, I don’t any options at all – a completely stripped down car”
Dealer – “Are you sure?”
Buyer “Oh ok, maybe I’ll take the $400 AM/FM 8 Track that’s 10 percent of the cost of the car”
@Kevin - Bay Area posted:Dealer – “Do you want to order any options on your new Granada?”
Buyer – ‘No, I don’t any options at all – a completely stripped down car”
Dealer – “Are you sure?”
Buyer “Oh ok, maybe I’ll take the $400 AM/FM 8 Track that’s 10 percent of the cost of the car”
Gotta listen to some Earth Wind and Fire while we're testing whether the brake parts fit...
@Michael Pickett posted:Gotta listen to some Earth Wind and Fire while we're testing whether the brake parts fit...
Funny you mention that...
I just opened my box of Chinesium brake parts (from "Detroit Axle") for one of the work vanettes. I ordered them in October and am just now getting to it.
Did you know that a 2014 Ford Transit Connect with 15" wheels takes a different front rotor than a 2014 Ford Transit Connect with 17" wheels? Me neither. We both do now.
No, they won't take them back. The proper Chinesium rotors are on the way.
Well, that's surprising. I guess Ford figured people who bought Transits with big wheels were going to do a lot of corner carving.
@Michael Pickett posted:Well, that's surprising. I guess Ford figured people who bought Transits with big wheels were going to do a lot of corner carving.
You'd think. The front rotors are slightly smaller for the bigger wheels and they use threaded lug bolts instead of lug nuts. The calipers, pads, and entire rear set-up is the same. Not sure that that's all about, but it's probably due to the rotors not clearing the chunky Aluminum wheels or something.
This is very reminiscent of the fiasco of getting rear brakes on a Chrysler T&C. There were 3 different brake options depending on VIN.
@dlearl476 posted:Looks very much like a Monte Carlo imo.
Oh no....Ford Marketing executives are rolling in their graves with that comment.
Not a Monte Carlo.....looks like a new Mercedes!!
My mom and dad had only Ford cars from their 1946 coupe all the way into the 1970’s. After the oil crisis hit us in 1973, they downsized to a 1974 Pinto wagon (with the classy wood sides) but found it quite small compared to the Galaxie convertibles they usually bought, so in 1976 they upsized again to a pretty sporty, two-tone Granada Ghia with the optional, gutless, smog-pumped and automatic 90 hp V8. It was a very pretty car and my mom loved the look of it.
Funny, how looks can quickly become superfluous. Once she started driving it she absolutely hated it, so much so that for the first time in almost 20 years of trading cars every two years, she traded it after less than a year.
She had stopped in traffic in front of a car dealer and saw a bright Yellow Firebird Sport sitting out front. She turned into the dealership and bought the car right then and there and they took the Ghia Granada in trade (probably thinking they made a super deal on it). Of all the cars she had owned over the years (and some were truly cool), she always loved that Firebird the best, and hated that Granada the most.
@dlearl476 posted:I don’t know. I think we can point to both Lane and Ed’s experience with BaT as to the fickleness of the auction crowd.
I don't think the variety of prices indicate a fickleness of the auction crowd. In my mind, a published auction or an auction that reaches a large number of the people interested in a particular type of car, ie., 356, is the market. The highest bid is the selling price is the value at that time. If the bid does not meet the reserve, it shows that the seller does not accept the value. The value of cars changes, just like the climate.
And here's another limo for the people's republic https://raleigh.craigslist.org...door/7825981474.html
@Wrenn Smith posted:And here's another limo for the people's republic https://raleigh.craigslist.org...door/7825981474.html
I sold mine for half that.
Of course, it had 4x the miles -- but it was BLACK and not "early-aughts GM couldn't paint a car silver and have all the panels come out the same color".
I say this as the world's foremost silver fanboy. It was a pity there for a minute*.
* and by "a minute" I mean from about 1980 until the CTS-V came out.
That caddy might be just a little too "ordinary" for the President for Life of Stanistan. Too new, too comfortable, too shiny, too ... nice. Does seem like a lot of car for just 15 large tho.