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Everything I dreamed it would be....
angela
angela
That looks like one o' them long term projects, to me ;-)
Lane, I figure a year or two, no rush. At least I can drive my Spyder in the meantime.
Today I went to the local PCA summer picnic, now that I have a "real" P-car I joined. Took the Spyder, and placed 1st in people's choice(the only award they had).
Lots of questions and obviously they liked it, there were only one or two that didn't seem to approve. But the other twenty or so seemed pretty cool, anything from a 1975 914 to a 2007 997, one 968 and all the rest 911-964-993-996-997. There was a 3.0 Carrera(cool and rare) and a much newer GT3. Nice bunch, wonder what they'll think of an RS replica(w/ducktail, of course!). And they were all driven there, no trailers, which is the way it should be. My friends Jim(1978 SC Targa), his brother John(newly purchased 1975 911S Targa) and Mike(has several longhoods, none running) came also. Mike drove his R100RS, hey at least it is German AND aircooled! All had a good time, so the local PCA gets a thumbs up from me.
Today I went to the local PCA summer picnic, now that I have a "real" P-car I joined. Took the Spyder, and placed 1st in people's choice(the only award they had).
Lots of questions and obviously they liked it, there were only one or two that didn't seem to approve. But the other twenty or so seemed pretty cool, anything from a 1975 914 to a 2007 997, one 968 and all the rest 911-964-993-996-997. There was a 3.0 Carrera(cool and rare) and a much newer GT3. Nice bunch, wonder what they'll think of an RS replica(w/ducktail, of course!). And they were all driven there, no trailers, which is the way it should be. My friends Jim(1978 SC Targa), his brother John(newly purchased 1975 911S Targa) and Mike(has several longhoods, none running) came also. Mike drove his R100RS, hey at least it is German AND aircooled! All had a good time, so the local PCA gets a thumbs up from me.
I heard tales of rude P-car owners, but every one of them that I've run across has loved the Speedster, even after I told them it was a replica. I was driving the car Saturday when a fellow in a silver, late-model 911 cabrio pulled up next to me at a traffic light. With a deep Scottish brogue, he told me that my car was "gorgeous." I told him that his was as well, and admitted that mine was a replica. He said "It doesn't matter. It's still gorgeous."
You know, that got me thinkin (ouch!) and I've only had one person who was truly turned off by my car, which was doubly surprising because it was a woman and women usually really like Pearl-colored cars.
She lives in New England, and has one of those mid-seventies, "why-did-they-ever-choose-that-color?" mustard-yellow, 912 Targa-Top (doubly yucky, in my opinion), steel-wheeled 912's.
She's one of those who spent FAR too much to get it restored (having done zero of the work herself), has a 3" thick restoration photo album (professionally bound, no less!) and can tell you the entire car history including how the designers changed their minds several times in choosing the exact composition for the padded dash (which cracks in the sun on every 70's - 80's Porsche ever made).
She searched for three years to find some year-correct, factory-option front seats which were so-called "long distance" tourismo seats which are slightly wider to accommodate her "enhanced" butt.
She will go on ad nauseam about how all of the genuine NOS German suspension parts make it handle and ride exactly as it did when it left the showroom (presumably, with a somewhat lighter driver on board).
Thankfully, she drives it to and attends only three select events each year, thereby sparing the rest of us to take our cars to the other dozen or so events in peace.
She saw my car a few years back at a club BBQ and her only comment was; "yes, it's all very good, but it's just a Volkswagen, right?"
"I suppose", said another member next to her (not me), "and it'll leave that "Grey Poupon" thing of yours in the dust, too!"
She excused herself and wandered back over to the Buffet table.
Yup....just a Volkswagen......
She lives in New England, and has one of those mid-seventies, "why-did-they-ever-choose-that-color?" mustard-yellow, 912 Targa-Top (doubly yucky, in my opinion), steel-wheeled 912's.
She's one of those who spent FAR too much to get it restored (having done zero of the work herself), has a 3" thick restoration photo album (professionally bound, no less!) and can tell you the entire car history including how the designers changed their minds several times in choosing the exact composition for the padded dash (which cracks in the sun on every 70's - 80's Porsche ever made).
She searched for three years to find some year-correct, factory-option front seats which were so-called "long distance" tourismo seats which are slightly wider to accommodate her "enhanced" butt.
She will go on ad nauseam about how all of the genuine NOS German suspension parts make it handle and ride exactly as it did when it left the showroom (presumably, with a somewhat lighter driver on board).
Thankfully, she drives it to and attends only three select events each year, thereby sparing the rest of us to take our cars to the other dozen or so events in peace.
She saw my car a few years back at a club BBQ and her only comment was; "yes, it's all very good, but it's just a Volkswagen, right?"
"I suppose", said another member next to her (not me), "and it'll leave that "Grey Poupon" thing of yours in the dust, too!"
She excused herself and wandered back over to the Buffet table.
Yup....just a Volkswagen......
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Ostentatious buffoon. That is not a gender specific insult. Women can be buffons also, as so well demonstarted by MS. 912E...
I always wonder why people spend so much time and energy rebuilding a car that has little collector value and costs most the same amount to restore as one that has substantial collector value...
As Forest Gump says, "Stupid is as stupid does."
angela
I always wonder why people spend so much time and energy rebuilding a car that has little collector value and costs most the same amount to restore as one that has substantial collector value...
As Forest Gump says, "Stupid is as stupid does."
angela
Considering the two coupes, I decided to hook up with the 356 Registry. It's another world, really!
Actually, TC, with you around, it will be a whole 'nuther world for THEM!!!!
angela
angela
Maybe we should all join, just to shake 'em up.
I'm still convinced there is a market amonst us replica owners for genuine reproduct rust bubbles. My thought is to use the clear 3M tape with sand blasting beads under the sticky part. Replica owners could apply it to lower door bottoms and rear of front fender arches to add that authentic "being consumed from the inside out" look that early Porsches are famous for. I probably couldn't retire on profits but would be good spending cash for Carlisle Egg-samiches.
No Angela,
That's the thing, rather than a forum or genuine idea/emotion exchange . . . it's a registry.
The administrators remove anything that isn't directly 356 related and send a chastisement via email for posting. The for sale section is for 356 stuff, sometimes usual stuff like complete cars. wheels and such. But a lot of the time it's for selling and buying the deep down hard core 356 stuff; boxes of OEM washers, tiny turn buckles, OEM lug nuts, one year only this, and import only that.
Like most make/model specific forums I suppose but with a Vice Principal always at the back of the class room.
And most importantly, it's a Registry, plain and simple. The question of replicas is moot to the point of either ignored or non-existent. Owners of genuine 356s don't care that Speedsters exist. There are no numbers on them, no pedigree, no recognition, manufacturer's entry in the 356 books. A replica is just some fiberglass and Beetle parts with a few repro 356 parts attached, and 356 owners hardly enter the repro parts world, let alone replicas.
It IS all about the car, tracking it's history and previous owners, securing a copy of the build sheet and trying to restore the car back to original specs. It has to do with legacy and legitimacy and value and rarity, not how fast a VW engine will propel it, not how easily and reliably it starts, not how slick an umbralla handbrake will be. They don't care about wide five conversions, they care about the wide fives being Genuine Porsche and bearing the correct date codes for the year car that they're on. Porsche owners genuinely equate their cars with those from Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Abarth and the like. Super cars today, world class performers yesterday, icons of a previous era, and 356 owners know that they own the Original. The one that started it all, and they treat it in just that way.
Like I "said" . . . another world. And one in which all of these replicas don't exist. They don't hate replicas, they don't care about them, they hardly notice them, they aren't 356 Porsches. Plain and simple and true.
"I always wonder why people spend so much time and energy rebuilding a car that has little collector value and costs most the same amount to restore as one that has substantial collector value..."
Maybe it belonged to their Father and has a very great deal of sentimental value.
Maybe ?
That's the thing, rather than a forum or genuine idea/emotion exchange . . . it's a registry.
The administrators remove anything that isn't directly 356 related and send a chastisement via email for posting. The for sale section is for 356 stuff, sometimes usual stuff like complete cars. wheels and such. But a lot of the time it's for selling and buying the deep down hard core 356 stuff; boxes of OEM washers, tiny turn buckles, OEM lug nuts, one year only this, and import only that.
Like most make/model specific forums I suppose but with a Vice Principal always at the back of the class room.
And most importantly, it's a Registry, plain and simple. The question of replicas is moot to the point of either ignored or non-existent. Owners of genuine 356s don't care that Speedsters exist. There are no numbers on them, no pedigree, no recognition, manufacturer's entry in the 356 books. A replica is just some fiberglass and Beetle parts with a few repro 356 parts attached, and 356 owners hardly enter the repro parts world, let alone replicas.
It IS all about the car, tracking it's history and previous owners, securing a copy of the build sheet and trying to restore the car back to original specs. It has to do with legacy and legitimacy and value and rarity, not how fast a VW engine will propel it, not how easily and reliably it starts, not how slick an umbralla handbrake will be. They don't care about wide five conversions, they care about the wide fives being Genuine Porsche and bearing the correct date codes for the year car that they're on. Porsche owners genuinely equate their cars with those from Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Abarth and the like. Super cars today, world class performers yesterday, icons of a previous era, and 356 owners know that they own the Original. The one that started it all, and they treat it in just that way.
Like I "said" . . . another world. And one in which all of these replicas don't exist. They don't hate replicas, they don't care about them, they hardly notice them, they aren't 356 Porsches. Plain and simple and true.
"I always wonder why people spend so much time and energy rebuilding a car that has little collector value and costs most the same amount to restore as one that has substantial collector value..."
Maybe it belonged to their Father and has a very great deal of sentimental value.
Maybe ?
The Evil one speaks the truth....
What? There's an 87 Monte Carlo that has substantial collector value? DUDE! WHICH ONE??? I CAN'T WAIT TO SOIL MY HANDS ON ANOTHER FINE 80's GM PRODUCT!!!! Mmmm... velour, mis-matched fasteners (metric and standard), 15" wheels, 9" performance (ha!) disc brakes! Yeah BABY!!!!
Let's face it - I'm doing something that will never have any value to anyone but me.
The difference between me and MS. 912E is that I won't slide over to the replica area just to finally have someone to turn my nose up at!
We go to Porsche meets somewhat regularly with both our real cars and our fake one. We meet mostly real cool people and a few real fake ones. The cool ones (like the Emory family)are like walking talking history lessons. You find yourself hanging around just to hear about some race 20 years ago. When the story is well told, you can feel the hair standing up on your arms - you're absolutely taken back in time and can actually hear the motor singing thru the gears...
The fake people? They become the butt of everyone's jokes. Both the enthusiasts of the real cars and the enthusiasts of the replicas.
angela
Let's face it - I'm doing something that will never have any value to anyone but me.
The difference between me and MS. 912E is that I won't slide over to the replica area just to finally have someone to turn my nose up at!
We go to Porsche meets somewhat regularly with both our real cars and our fake one. We meet mostly real cool people and a few real fake ones. The cool ones (like the Emory family)are like walking talking history lessons. You find yourself hanging around just to hear about some race 20 years ago. When the story is well told, you can feel the hair standing up on your arms - you're absolutely taken back in time and can actually hear the motor singing thru the gears...
The fake people? They become the butt of everyone's jokes. Both the enthusiasts of the real cars and the enthusiasts of the replicas.
angela
off current topic - but related to original topic: mini 911
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ikeya/265344621/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ikeya/265344621/
Oh - that's COOL! Somebody was making a Porsche Spyder pedal car... Kind of expensive, but definately cool!
angela
angela
Hey Gordon, I think the guys that got turned off by my Spyder were the second and third place 911 owners, oops!
To finish this off, there are pics(slideshow) up on the Hudson Valley website:
http://hv.pca.org/
Click on the Spyder pic and a slideshow will start.
http://hv.pca.org/
Click on the Spyder pic and a slideshow will start.
Danny -
In my book, you are easily the coolest car dude on that entire gig!!
In my book, you are easily the coolest car dude on that entire gig!!