annoying unleaded gas nozzle

Julie, don't worry about that nonsense. You have to open the frunk to fuel up, right?

Fill it slow and take your time. You'll be better off that way.

Hey Julie, I have the same problem filling my BMW motorcycle and hot rods. You let it shut off when the gas foams up, causing it to shut off, then pull back on the nozzle ring and continue to fill the tank while holding the handle. I just listen as the gas fills and you'll know when it's close to the top. On the motorcycle, I can see inside the tank as it get topped off. You may be able to see inside the VW tank as well. Hope that helps

I think what Julie is concerned about is these EVR fuel hoses.

PITA to fill a vintage fuel filler.

Julie, these are made for motorcycles which are equally a PITA to deal with the EVR pumps but I think it would work ok.

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That hose thingy is made of rubber, right?

Why not, one dark and rainy night, go to a nearby station in a vehicle other than your toy car, the bigger the better, borrowing a friends would be best. Pull up to a far pump away from anyone with the vehicle blocking the view from the office, open a door on the filler side. Fill the beast up, but during this event, make a slice around that thing with a sharp box cutter and when you pull the nozzle out, just drop that rubber thing in a convenient black plastic bag, lay it in the vehicle floorboard of the open door. Replace naked nozzle in the pump, and casually drive off. Bob's your uncle, custom nozzle.

I'd be curious how long it'd take to replace it. Of course, California probably has a death sentence on such an act. I'm surprised they even let you pump your own gas.

When I would fill up the Speedster I would use the left hand to pull back on the rubber nozzle cover as far back as I could and fill the tank with the metal part of the fill nozzle inserted a few inches into the fuel tank. I could get it filled without the pump ever shutting off.

Th either method is to let half of that rubber cover hang over the filler neck and push the metal nozzle into the filler neck and fill it up. Without the rubber cover making a seal it won't shut the pump off either.

Where there's a will there's a way.

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What am I missing here?

I've had the Speedy for 10 years now, have used countless CA gas pumps, and have never had an issue with premature, well... with the gas pump cutting off early.

I think the breather vent in the filler neck equalizes any potential pressure buildup. At any rate, I'm always able to fill the tank. Pumping gas is just a matter of pressing the nozzle down onto the filler neck until the rubber thingy compresses a bit and then pulling the handle.

I do dump the nozzle out on the ground before pumping to drain any residual gas that's in the nozzle and to keep it from spilling all over the frunk as I bring the nozzle over to the filler.

And I never realized how many words it would take to explain how I pump gas.

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What Mitch said.

I open the frunk lid, then drape a small towel with a hole cut near one end that fits over the filler cap, the other end drapes over the front fender.  (Mitch has a much better version)  Then I remove the filler cap.

Then I grab a clean shop rag to place under the end of the hose as I move the hose to my tank, insert the nozzle straight down enough to squish the squishy thing and pump.  When it automatically stops I’m done.  This puts my fuel on “full” so I’m probably close to full.    If I plan to drive a few hundred miles I’d be tempted to mess around with a two handed dance to squeeze a bit more gas into the tank, otherwise I don’t bother (I did just that a few times and got a bit of gas smell in the cockpit).

The rag is used again when removing the nozzle (after letting most drips drip) then I stow the rag, replace the cap and stow the towel.

Easy peasy.  Except for the hood straps.

@Jon T posted:

What Mitch said.

I open the frunk lid, then drape a small towel with a hole cut near one end that fits over the filler cap, the other end drapes over the front fender.  (Mitch has a much better version)  Then I remove the filler cap

Then I grab a clean shop rag to place under the end of the hose as I move the hose to my tank, insert the nozzle straight down enough to squish the squishy thing and pump.  When it automatically stops I’m done.  This puts my fuel on “full” so I’m probably close to full.    If I plan to drive a few hundred miles I’d be tempted to mess around with a two handed dance to squeeze a bit more gas into the tank, otherwise I don’t bother (I did just that a few times and got a bit of gas smell in the cockpit).

The rag is used again when removing the nozzle (after letting most drips drip) then I stow the rag, replace the cap and stow the towel.

Easy peasy.  Except for the hood straps.

Just wondering, Jon...what's up with your comment about the hood straps ?  For some reason lately I've been  concerned about the hood coming up loose at speed. That would be a huge and costly problem and quite probably very dangerous. I'm thinking of putting some on. My car is in good shape and I take care of things but now it's got me wondering. Any thoughts appreciated.

I have them because I like the like the look.  They do add a small measure of hassle to open the hood but they really are not much of a bother to unbuckle and rebuckle, it takes just a few moments of time.  

I am very glad I have them for the reason you cite.  For the first week or two of ownership I didn’t realize I was not fully closing my hood.  I pressed until I heard a click and it looked closed. By the end of a drive I noticed that it appeared the hood had popped open a bit, held in place by my straps and of course the emergency (?) catch.  If not for the straps who knows if it would have held?   I’ve since learned I need to hear a second click to know the hood on s closed properly.

These rubber things on nozzles just started appearing in Michigan.

I do the same thing as Robert M -hold it back with my left hand.

I do have a U-shaped metal clip designed to hold the rubber back but I don't bother using it.

On a previous road trip I discovered that Oregon does not allow drivers to pump their own gas, a gas station attendant is required by law to do the fueling.

WELL, the attendant who was doing his Job and filling our gas tank must have previously been a p*rn star. Just as the tank was reaching it's capacity, the attendant pulled out the nozzle and sprayed gas all over the rear of our car.

@Sacto Mitch posted:

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What am I missing here?.

That Julie wants to pull up to a gas pump and fill her tank without having to deal with a bunch of inconvenient workarounds to deal with putting gas into a 1950 gas filler with a 21st century gas hose.

@MusbJim posted:

On a previous road trip I discovered that Oregon does not allow drivers to pump their own gas, a gas station attendant is required by law to do the fueling.

NJ is the same way. At the Sunoco at the entrance to Palisades Pkwy where I used to gas up my Ducati, I’d ask the attendant if he really wanted to risk spilling gas on my crotch and my hot engine, and they handed me the hose every time.

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@dlearl476 posted:

That Julie wants to pull up to a gas pump and fill her tank without having to deal with a bunch of inconvenient workarounds to deal with putting gas into a 1950 gas filler with a 21st century gas hose.

Dave, I think I got that part.

What I'm wondering is why Julie is having any difficulty doing that. Could be her filler tube is different than mine. I wonder if she might clarify a bit.

I fill the Speedy the same way I fill my other (modern) cars, except I hold the 'trigger' down by hand and apply a little downward pressure on the nozzle. The pump still clicks off when it's full. And 'full' is where you'd want it — a few inches from the cap, just below the vent in the neck.

Is this working any differently for other folks in California?

Here are some photos of a towel I've attached to the filler neck to catch drips. It rolls out over the fender to protect the paint there, too.

I wonder if Julie has a different filler neck than this.

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@MusbJim posted:

On a previous road trip I discovered that Oregon does not allow drivers to pump their own gas, a gas station attendant is required by law to do the fueling.

WELL, the attendant who was doing his Job and filling our gas tank must have previously been a p*rn star. Just as the tank was reaching it's capacity, the attendant pulled out the nozzle and sprayed gas all over the rear of our car.

That's really funny, Jim!

I've been to Jersey a few times with the Spyder. The attendant really doesn't want to deal with a center hood filler. So he stands there and watches me do it.

They pump your gas in Vermont, too.

I’ve fashioned the same type of spill catch. It leather and long enough so the hose doesn’t hit the fender. I’m not real coordinated. It’s worked so far.

@MusbJim posted:

On a previous road trip I discovered that Oregon does not allow drivers to pump their own gas, a gas station attendant is required by law to do the fueling.

WELL, the attendant who was doing his Job and filling our gas tank must have previously been a p*rn star. Just as the tank was reaching it's capacity, the attendant pulled out the nozzle and sprayed gas all over the rear of our car.

While driving through Oregon I pulled in to a Costco fuel station. Thirty-six pumps and 6 fuel attendants. I got out and immediately started fueling my car. The attendant came over and asked what I was doing. I promptly said, "Filling my tank, what's it look like?" He said it was illegal and that he could lose his job. I told him to call the authorities and that I thought it was ridiculous that I couldn't fill my own tank. I also told him it was liberal stupidity and a throwback to the 50's when the governor was trying to put people to work. I stood there talking to him and asked if it was so illegal why could I pump my own gas in Oregon if the population of the county was under 40K people? Why could I pump my own fuel if it were diesel? Why could I pump my own fuel if I rode a motorcycle? Why could I pump my own fuel if there were only one attendant? He couldn't answer my questions and he stammered, "You just want me to lose my job." I said, "No, I don't want to wait for you to pump my fuel and the fuel of six other people while I wait. I'm in a hurry." I pumped my own fuel everywhere I went and gave everyone a menacing look if they came my way. They didn't bother me.

In other news Oregon's house just passed a bill, 47-10, to allow Oregonian's to pump their own fuel. It now goes to their Senate for a final vote. And stations will not be allowed to charge more for full-serve fuel than self-serve fuel. The 10 who voted against said fueling a car is too complicated and those with disabilities won't know how to do it. Well, that's why you make it a requirement that an attendant has to fuel the vehicle of anyone with a handicapped plate, just like in California.

Wow don't read for a day and get behind fast

I don't have a problem putting fuel in, other than not used to putting my head under a bonnet, it's the stupid ring that wants to be held in place to keep the pump running which I was looking for an easy straight forward (ha) enhancement for is all..

I'll check into some of the suggestions above except for the vandalism - don't need that much excitement in my life

@Gotno356 posted:

I’ve fashioned the same type of spill catch. It leather and long enough so the hose doesn’t hit the fender. I’m not real coordinated. It’s worked so far.

My 968 has an OEM “spill catch” built into the fuel filler. It says “Oil OK?” on it.

@Robert M   i'm with robert....fueling your car shouldn't be rocket science....the pull up method allows a near full tank and isn't such a chore if done correctly and with patience and care...that said.... the custom towel trick is very practical....here is my version

I hated adding gas in my roadster in Cali, it just seems over the top to prevent atmosphering leak.