authentic sounding exhaust

i realize this topic has been brought up before, but does anyone have a recommendation for an authentic sounding exhaust system for a 2020cc t1 motor? i've heard some good things about kirk's new system. i would definitely want something requiring little to no modification.

George; Kirk's new system looks almost spot on and should sound the same way; it's made by Tri-Mil. You can also buy it from Tri-Mil vendors but make sure to get the one for Type II's so that it fits the Speedster.

Ricardo,

Is this a stainless unit? You think it's good for a ~130hp 2020 motor? What would you recommend for headers?

No George; it's just regular steel but you can get it ceramic coated too. It bolts right on like a stock muffler so there's no need for a separate header; I'd recommend going to 1-1/2" diam heater boxes or J-tubes to take advantage of its reduced back pressure. I have a new one, along with the heater boxes that I'll be bolting on when I get to install a new set of ported big valve heads (in about 2,200 miles). I got the 1-1/2" heater boxes for $189.95 per pair at CIP, which is a great price.

I'd say those mufflers work fine on pretty big motors since I know for a fact that SAW used that system and modified it for the Subaru 2.5 liter in Steve O'Brien's cabrio. Steve told me it works like a charm.

thanks ricardo. i'm actually putting together some stuff for the spring. an old friend of mine has a spare motor that he built a few years ago and is only taking room in his shed, so i'll be putting that in the car in a few weeks. i just want to make sure all my peripherals are in order.

good luck on your new head!

george

George, the stock VW system with or without that VS system is way too restrictive for your big stroker. You need a minimum of 1 1/2" headers and 1 5/8" may be better. See Tiger at A-1 (listed under shops). You can get modified heater boxes in several sizes.

Look at Justin Froehlich's VS.... he is using a CSP system that includes headers. heat boxes, and a dual exhuast system in 1 1/2" diameter. It looks stock, and gives good performance for 1776s up to a mild 2110.

My 2 cents worth. Do a search on exhausts and you will see that your system is much too restrictive. The VS set up won't help much...

thanks jim. just to clarify, are you recommending i ditch the stock headers, or the headers AND the new exhaust system from kirk?

Justin's exhaust looks spot on too!...Justin; do you have photos from the bottom of the car?

Don't currently have any. I'll try this weekend.

What about custom exhaust for speedsters from this fellow Vazquez at TigerA-1 performance Exhaust? Any recent experiences with him, anyone? Ive been thinking about calling him...

i spoke with tiger last night. he seems to have a pretty tight setup, from the photos i saw. i'm really entrigued with the center outlet. can anyone comment on: 1. the sound? 2. the performance? 3. the ease of install?

i've read a few older comments and they all seem pretty positive; just wondering if anyone has more recent experience...

George, check with John Leader and Terry Nuckels in the registry. I believe both of them have this system on their JPS 2332 & 2110cc Speedsters.

George,

Tiger's system is sweet but it requires some modifcation to make it fit. It is a custom "one size fits all".

Mine had to be tweeked and some tin had to be trimmed. After it was installed I had to add a resonater and extend the tail pipe because it was too loud for my right seater and there wasn't enough tailpipe which caused some backfire issues. Fortunately I had a skilled muffler guy to get it set up right.

I will say it was worth the money and the effort. Power is way up.
Temps are down and I'm sick of the rain in Nor Cal.

Here's a picture of the late George Brown's car.

boy, was GB's ride done well! wonder where it is at now...

GB 's IM is back at Henry's and has been brought back to as new condition . Henry will have it at Carlisle for sale on behalf of the GB estate. Bring your check book !

Dale Bate's car has a variation of JimBob's exhaust if I'm not mistakin' and it is very, very authentic sounding.

The Vintage set-ups are way to restrictive. I went through three exhaust systems before I settled for the one on Butch's original Type 1 engine, now residing in Brian Bell's ride... It handles 130-135HP+/- and I recall it sounded more rogish than stock, so maybe that's not an option.

...an after thought on an earlier post in this thread re: GB's car. Was there a post about the car's new engine anywhere?

The estate got some good advice and went to the expense of setting up a more reliable engine. Maybe not as potentially powerful as GB had hoped for, but at the very least drivable and predictable and way past stock!

If it weren't for the fact I am certain George would come back from the grave, I thought about buying that speedster as I am entertaining a new one next year myself.

I'm guessing $50K well-spent.

This system is on 2110 CC engine, was built by IM. It is quite, with low back pressure. After completion, system was ceramic coated black. Exhaust does not have to exit in center. I just like this look.

I'm guessing $50K well-spent.
Paul, you must be loaded....with money or otherwise........

Ok Robert, fess up. Where did you get that exhaust tip? I want one.==Very nice

Robert, Post a shot showing how the exhaust tip is laid into the body. A work of art and a sweet custom touch.

Bob sent a few pics of his beautiful speedster after driving it home from Vancouver to Texas. Here's two shots of his exhaust.

That's for me. It looks great!! Can these be had from Henry? Are they stainless?

Very nice rear end.........no, seriously...

Bruce,
Had tip custom made at the Stainless shop in CA. Company makes SS tips and mufflers. Found after the fact a 2005/6 Linclon Navigator exhaust tip is almost identical (3"x 5") to mine. Should cost less. Body and bumper was notched. Cup holder was another useful item I added.

Sent wrong photo.

Look at these;
http://www.burnsstainless.com/OvalTubing/ovaltubing.html.

No Vince, clean and sober 646 days. Not a record for me, but a good start... again.

Not trying to start any flame warzzz over car prices or values. We all know what George expected in his build and even from my anti-GB daze and perspective, I think his car was worth that $50K E-Z.

...and yes, I make good money when I work. It's just that I don't like to work as much as I used to!

I like to break people's balls, but smokem if you gottem, is my basic take on things....
I don't have the funds like some of the SOC members, so I can't indulge myself beyond what I have, but, no regrets, I do alright.
That being said, I will still harass you guys for the amount of money some of you spend on these TOYS......

I just put a Tri-Mill on my 78' Intermeccanica and it fit great and sounds good, adds a bit of power...I got it on ebay for $89 bucks...note..you wont have heat with this type of muffler..and you should plug the fan shroud holes..if that what u have

Tom; you can always go around the muffler and hook up the hoses from the fan shroud directly to the heater boxes and you won't sacrifice your heat. At least in my car the exhaust (a VW Mexico/EMPI unit) was hooked up that way from the shop and it works; it's worth a try.