Blaze Cut for Whitecloud

Bet that gives you some peace of mind!  All who have engine fires say the lid get too hot to open and use an extinguisher.

Cool. 

Is there any way to get some kind of grommet in where it goes through the deck lid hinges?

Carlos G posted:

Cool. 

Is there any way to get some kind of grommet in where it goes through the deck lid hinges?

There are larger grommets available, but I don't know if you'd find one that big; some split vacuum or fuel line would do the trick, though.

There are also "caterpillar grommets" - fit any size and easy to retrofit.

Carlos G posted:

Cool. 

Is there any way to get some kind of grommet in where it goes through the deck lid hinges?

It doesn't look like it goes through a hole in the hinge. The Blazecut appears to be laying across the top of the hinge. @Will Hesch Is that correct?

Robert, that is correct. The hinge top is smooth so there's no worry about the tubing being cut by them.

You need to put something around that area as it will rub and wear through sitting loosely on the hinge like that.

Even a piec of 1/2" rubber hose with a zip tie would protect the BlazeCut tubing.  There's lots of vibration going on back there.  Recall after long tow my luggage rack was about to fall off even with lock washers - replaced nuts with Nylock ones.

Nice clean install! 

ALB posted:

Carlos G posted:

Cool. 

Is there any way to get some kind of grommet in where it goes through the deck lid hinges?

There are larger grommets available, but I don't know if you'd find one that big; some split vacuum or fuel line would do the trick, though.

GROMMET....a sort of FUNNY word if you think about it?

Almost sounds like a porridge or cereal? Have a bowl of GROMMET with a splash of maple syrup!

I put one in my Speedster and Spyder tried to get a portion of the tube over each carb in both. I used two aluminum rivets on the Speedster the rest sits down inside and I used the rear rag top attachments plus additional epoxied on fasteners for the Spyder. I sprayed each black, I don't think it will effect the capabilities of the Blazcut. Least I hope not the white tube just looked too offensive.

I have  been wondering where to put the BlazCut I just bought.  I think my oil cooler is in the way to run it through the hinges of the deck lid. It's 6 feet long and I Guess I could drill holes large enough through the hinges far enough away to keep from pinching it.

IndianBob posted:

I have  been wondering where to put the BlazCut I just bought.  I think my oil cooler is in the way to run it through the hinges of the deck lid. It's 6 feet long and I Guess I could drill holes large enough through the hinges far enough away to keep from pinching it.

Mounting the BlazeCut is the last thing you should do. Correct your engine set up first!

I think CRHEMI is referring to the oil cooler mounted in front of the air intake for the fan shroud. That oil cooler is creating hot air that is being sucked into the cooling fan intended to cool the engine.

These coolers (as well as external oil filters) are typically relocated outside of the engine compartment (in cooler ambient air temps) for better cooling of the oil and not additional hot air for the engine.

With the oil cooler relocated, then you could install the BlazeCut to its most effective position. 

@IndianBob- As both Jim and Bill have mentioned, whether VW or 356/912, your engine will run happier being fed ambient temp air instead of the preheated air it ingests now. Also, filter changes must be messy- on my first performance VW engine I did the oil filter on the shroud like that and it took quite the pile of rags to keep the engine from getting covered at oil change time. Is the original cooler still in the shroud, or is there a block off plate and that's where the oil for the external cooler and filter is coming from? If this is the case, know you're only filtering some of the oil some of the time. A true full flow system takes oil straight from the pump or oil galley after the pump, so the engine is fed clean oil 100% of the time...

A good winter project- re-plumb so the filter and cooler are in the left rear fenderwell; the engine will thank you for it!            

So- anything done to the engine? How is it for power? Al

He may also be referring to the fuel filter located in the engine compartment as well. Granted it is a metal filter but if it were located behind the firewall it would increase the safety factor a bit. Filters come off as well as breaking.

All the above!

Bill Prout posted:

IndianBob posted:

that is literally the worst  place to mount your oil cooler.  on that engine too

 Well, it's been there 30 years and the oil runs cool & the engine still runs strong! I don't know what else to tell you.

But, more importantly what are you cylinder head temps?

I do like the 356 style oil filler!  You can still mount a BlazeCut on your lid.  I don't like idea of in laying it on the hinges anyhow (just inviting abrasion and costly discharge).  All that oil there adds to flamable material that will burn which makes a compelling case for the BlazeCut.

IndianBob posted:

I have  been wondering where to put the BlazCut I just bought.  I think my oil cooler is in the way to run it through the hinges of the deck lid. It's 6 feet long and I Guess I could drill holes large enough through the hinges far enough away to keep from pinching it.

Bob - Looks like you are running a real 356 pulley and maybe a welded Fan. That will make the fan run faster, therefore cooling is a bit better as a result. I am switching my pulley to the real deal  as well, and running a welded Berg Fan. I'll keep tabs on my temps to see what if any change takes place. BTW - My oil cooler and fuel filter are both out of the engine bay for safety reasons. 

It's actually a real 912 pulley and fan probably because it's a real rebuilt 1966 1600cc 912 engine!

WOLFGANG posted:

I do like the 356 style oil filler!  You can still mount a BlazeCut on your lid.  I don't like idea of in laying it on the hinges anyhow (just inviting abrasion and costly discharge).  All that oil there adds to flamable material that will burn which makes a compelling case for the BlazeCut.

 That's because it's a real 912 Porsche 1600cc engine, and I keep the original 912 oil filter housing, Oil lines, and a new drop in filter in case I want to put it back to stock.

Bill Prout posted:

But, more importantly what are you cylinder head temps?

Bill, I had a cylinder temp gauge on one of my eight VW's in the past, in fact I still have the gauge in a drawer but the sending unit I left in the fins of number three cylinder of that VW I sold. The temp ran around 300°F to 350°F all the time, basically no matter what I did, so I kind of felt it was an unnecessary gauge since I wasn't drag racing. I might install it in a 914 Porsche 1.7L engine I have in my remaining VW, however, as I wrote earlier, this Speedster has been going strong for 30 years with this '66 912 Porsche engine installed, both from the original builder driving it and me driving here in hot Northern California heat. 

Sounds good enough to me...I'd still move some things around for the sake of fire prevention. It would be a shame to see that motor burn.

IndianBob posted:

It's actually a real 912 pulley and fan probably because it's a real rebuilt 1966 1600cc 912 engine!

Cool, did not realize it was out of a 912. I had a 76 912 E....never should have sold but everyone has such a story about the one that got away right!

@IndianBob- Was the sending unit for the cylinder head temp gauge in the fins or actually under the spark plug? If just in the fins (some guys will bolt it down to the fuel injection boss and call it good. I realize 356 heads don't have fi bosses) I'm not surprised you got the results you did. The fuel injection boss (or anywhere else) is great if you want to know when the engine is warmed up (that's all it's function is) but under the spark plug is the only place you can get close enough to the combustion chamber to actually tell what's happening in there RIGHT NOW. 

And yeah, if you've had the engine in there with the cooler and filter like that for 30 years it must be fine. How many miles a year do you put on it? Al

Bill Prout posted:

Sounds good enough to me...I'd still move some things around for the sake of fire prevention. It would be a shame to see that motor burn.

 Yes, I agree that it would be a shame, that's why I installed the BlazeCut!

IndianBob posted:

Bill Prout posted:

But, more importantly what are you cylinder head temps?

Bill, I had a cylinder temp gauge on one of my eight VW's in the past, in fact I still have the gauge in a drawer but the sending unit I left in the fins of number three cylinder of that VW I sold. The temp ran around 300°F to 350°F all the time, basically no matter what I did, so I kind of felt it was an unnecessary gauge since I wasn't drag racing. I might install it in a 914 Porsche 1.7L engine I have in my remaining VW, however, as I wrote earlier, this Speedster has been going strong for 30 years with this '66 912 Porsche engine installed, both from the original builder driving it and me driving here in hot Northern California heat. 

 Cylinder head temp gauge is in the dash so we'll see what it averages on our way to Carmel next week!

Is it attached to the spark plug on #3?

And here is why you need BlazeCut and a good size hand held fire extinguisher! NOT MINE thank God!  Looks like it was a VS by what's left of the seats.  $2401.

https://classics.autotrader.co...56_replica/100752400

WOLFGANG posted:

$2401.

For what?!?

Crack heads will try to sell anything...

I think the decimal point is in the wrong place. It should be $24.01 but even then it'd be too much. I don't think it's a VS because it has 10 slot rims and VS uses 8 slot rims.

Bill Prout posted:

Is it attached to the spark plug on #3?

Here's the sending unit:

@IndianBob- Just so you know, Bob, the VDO unit is not temperature compensated so it is not accurate. It will read low (as much as 30'?) when the ambient temp is above 70'F and high below it. I don't remember the names of the cht gauges guys are using at the moment. Al

Robert M posted:

I think the decimal point is in the wrong place. It should be $24.01 but even then it'd be too much. I don't think it's a VS because it has 10 slot rims and VS uses 8 slot rims.

If I'm not mistaken (and I often am), the 8 slot wheels come with 4-lug wheels and brakes. If you have wide-5s, you get 10 slots.

Stan Galat posted:

Robert M posted:

I think the decimal point is in the wrong place. It should be $24.01 but even then it'd be too much. I don't think it's a VS because it has 10 slot rims and VS uses 8 slot rims.

If I'm not mistaken (and I often am), the 8 slot wheels come with 4-lug wheels and brakes. If you have wide-5s, you get 10 slots.

I checked there VS website and you sir are correct. Wide 5's get ten slots.