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Hey Guys: I am getting the Speedster bug revitalized since signing on this web-site. My question is: Do most of you build or buy? I am sure a better product would result from having the experts do it, but what about the fun of doing it yourself? Would love to hear some comments. Thanks, Warren

2006 VS (Sold)

2004 Beck (Sold)

1975 914-4

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Well to tell the truth, building is a lot of fun. However, building your own car can lead to some serious safety factors. You must be sure that the chassis, suspension and brake systems are in A-One shape. Old, worn or rusted parts can ruin a nice outing or your whole day. On kits I've built I experienced a broken steering shaft, sudden loss of brake fluid, engine seizure, and broken alternator straps all which occurred while driving. Some were due to unseen deteriorated parts and others from poor assembly alignment. Not being an engineer by trade I used my above average mechanical skills to rebuild, align and fabricate parts as needed. In some cases the old Murphy adage of being "Good enough" wasn't and I was lucky enough to live through a few hair-raising episodes. I would highly recommend another set of eyes to inspect and help look for things that could become a problem when you're doing 70 mph's plus down a local highway. Make sure all electrical connections are solid so that the 70 mphs doesn't happen during a sudden headlight failure. Now that I scared the pants off you, think about if and when you sell your home built machine. Make sure the new buyer signs a statement that he or she realizes that it's a home built car and releases you of any and all liability due to construction and or safety defects. You should also include a paragraph stating that the car may not pass required State safety inspections. But what a rush when you first drive it!!! If I were younger, I would definitely build another kit car but never ever would I consider building a kit airplane.

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I still remember advice a member gave me when I asked the same question. He told me to take the "warning" on vintagespeedsters website seriously. That says essentially that unless you are an expert, don't try to build your own. It takes a lot of time, money & expert fabrication that varies with each build. When I visited vintage speedsters, I was amazed at how phenominal they are, and they really are experts. You really will not save any money building the car yourself either.
I agree with David that you won't save any money, but there is a satisfaction factor for building your own - or in my case participating in the build. With all due respect to the other manufacturers, the Beck Deluxe kit is an excellent compromise as most of the hard stuff is done. We completed mine, with the exception of a few trim items and adjustments, in 16 hours last weekend at Carlisle. With the resources available to you on this and other sites, I'm sure anyone with a modicum of skills could have done this at home. You might have to ask a few questions by phone or web, but it shouldn't be too difficult.
I've opined on this a couple times, and I realize I'm about to waffle a bit. I think I've advocated both in the past; I'm now going to have to say buy the first one and then build subsequent cars. I bought my jalopy and then rebuilt it to my own design specs.
Don't build until you know who's there to help -- and what you'd change -- would be my current advice.
And for Pete's sake, don't try to build on a fixed schedule. It probably won't unfold as you'd like it to.
I bought my CMC back in '89 --- I recall the advertizing material saying it took 40 hours to complete! I suspect it really is more like 200 even with their pre-assemble option (door hung and heavy steel subframe installed - but windshield, hoods and trim not installed). Customized you could easily put 400 hours into it. No real fabrication skills required other than shortening of the VW chassis which you can farm out if you don't have a welding torch. Kit was about $8k so for another <$2k you could have basic running car. A lot of there parts were minimal so you could easily spend more to customize it or meet higher standards. A pan built car is not inherently unsafe - yeah its a 30 year old chassis but you rebuilt the brakes and did competent welding, right? The CMC was nice because it did not have to be painted (an added $2-3k cost!) - it was color gel coated like a boat. You see a lot of unfinished kits for $4-6k - so if you bought one of those and had basic mechanical skills youd have a completed car for $10k. Take a look at the CMC build manuals on-line in the Library. Guess question is --- is building it and satisfaction of saying you built it your hobby --- or is driving one the hobby?
Thanks for the responses. Since I live in S CA I have the luxury of driving to 3 makers. I've visited with John at JPS and Kirk at Vintage. They both have very professional shops but very different operations. I have decided that at least for now, I am going to buy, not build. I believe I have the capability but not the know how. Maybe I will build later. I think one of you suggested that. Good advice. I am going to go to Thunder Ranch next week. I will let you guys know my thoughts afterwards. Maybe I will bug you guys about engine options and other upgrades. Later, Warren
Well guys, I just gave Kirk a deposit for my new 2006 Vintage Speedster. It will be Aqua Marine in color and Buck interior. I went with his 1915cc engine with dual carbs. I can't wait till I pick it up.

In my last post I said I was going the check out Thunder Ranch. I did and Tom has a very professional shop. His frames look bullet proof. A little pricey though.

Anyway, all three makers are a good choice for anyone. I primarily went with Vintage because Kirk's cars looked the most authentic and that he has been in business for a long time and he will have my car done in 4 or 5 weeks. The others were 2 to 3 months or more.

There you have it. I appreciate all the replys to my post as well as all the information I've read on this site. It was well worth the time and I will soon be a donating member. Couldn't have gotten more information as quick as I did any other way. And I can't wait to look some of you guys up and go cruisin.

Gerd; all builders turn out a good product; it all depends on the features you want and the price you want to pay. Search on the Newbie forum and you'll be able to find all the info. and feedback you're looking for as it has been discussed ad nauseum before. You can also click on the Makers tab at the top of the page to visit their websites. Good luck on your quest.
Specialty Autoworks (SAW). They're known for long build times as they build every thing from the ground up. I've built two kits before and each took well over a year to complete and that was starting with a rolling chassis. SAW has a full time crew of four and they're usually building four or five cars simultatiously. I would have loved an air cooled Speedster 'cause I loved tinkering, but now I'm looking for something that I only need to wash and wax. Have fun and maybe we'll run into each other at Carlisle next year.
Warren, yes Carlisle is a big event. It is held around the third weekend in May and it runs for three days, Friday through Sunday. Many of us arrive on Thursday afternoon and plan a drive and dinner.

Here is a link to the event so that you can check it out:

http://www.carsatcarlisle.com/import/index.asp

This year's event was special because in addition to the regular activities, drives and dinners, we built a Beck Speedster in 16 hours, using a "deluxe kit." It was amazing to be a part of (small part in my case) the team that, short of a few details, created a running, driving Speedster in such a short space of time.

I would encourage you to consider this event. There are usually some open right seats for the drives available if you choose not to make the trek by car. I think you would have a blast.
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I finally picked up my VS yesterday after two months of getting the bugs out. I picked the car up originally on June 23 and on the way home, the fuel pump failed 10 miles from the house. After my wife went frantically around looking for a VW fuel pump, she finally found one that worked. Got it home and Kirk sent me a new pump. The temp in the desert at the time was around 110 and the car ran hot. Kirk sent a truck out to get it and replaced the oil cooler. It still ran hot. He sent his mechanic out with two new carbs. Said he found that the jets were wrong. Even with the new carbs, his mechanic could not get the thing to run at the proper temp. They came and got it again. This time they put a new engine and added an external oil cooler. Finally, it ran cool here in the desert. But, the carbs still needed adjustment. Yesterday, when I picked it up, I cruised up the coast through Malibu to where we are staying at the beach. I am finally having some fun with this car. I will say this about Kirk and VS, he made every possible effort to make the car right. So that is the story. I'm sitting in Starbucks writing this when I should be in that car driving. By gosh, that's what I am going to do. Later.
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