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I purchased a Fiberfab speedster in September that had never been registered in California.

I wasn't sure what to expect at DMV, because the car was built on a junked '70 VW pan and I didn't know date of the engine.

I got it registered as a SPCNS--specially constructed vehicle. I had feared it would be more challenging, since I wasn't the one who had put the car together, and I didn't have all receipts.

I was referred to CHP for a duplicate VIN inspection. The CHP "restored" the old VIN from Junked status. They attached a stamped tag with the old/new VIN on the door sill.

I thought I was out of the woods because the car was a 1970 and therefore should be smog exempt but the DMV referred me to the CA smog referee, which didn't make much sense.

The CA smog referees in San Diego are pretty cool. I expected some greenie/tree hugger turning up his nose at the thought of my dual carbed 2200CC 40's technology motor, but one of the guys was a drag racer and the other guy was building a Cobra replica. They explained that (with a SPCNS anyway) even though there wasn't a smog check requirement on a 1970, there were still prohibitions in 1970 regarding the modifications to what was "stock," so they couldn't pass the car. They suggested a certificate of sequence, which had feared from the very beginning would be the ultimate impediment to getting plates.

California grants 500 smog exemption permits each year, under Senate Bill 100, for SPCNS cars. Ordinarily, you have emissions requirements based on the year of the motor in your kit car. SB 100 gives you the choice of using the model year the car most closely resembles, or using 1960 if the car doesn't resemble any other car previously produced. Either would work for me, because there weren't any prohibitions on anything back then.

I showed up to the DMV today (again!) at around 6:45, I was the fourth guy in line!

Two of the guys in front of me had built Cobras and were after the same thing as me. One of the guys had arrived at 4:30AM!

When they opened I was called immediately. I didn't have a lot of confidence when my clerk said, "boy, it's been so long since I've done one of these, I don't even remember how."

I'm thinking, Yeah, Lady, it's been exactly one year and they were all done on the *same* day because they don't last more than *one*.

So she took my paperwork then came back and said that they were calling Sacramento to apply for my sequence number, and I should take a seat. Around 8:15.

At 12:30 she comes over and says they still haven't gotten through to Sacramento and I should probably go do something else for a while and check back in a few hours. Not encouraging.

I went back at 2:30 and found out that my lady was in a meeting. Waited another 30 minutes and flagged someone down asking if they had gotten word on the SB100 applications that came in earlier?

The guy looked like a doctor explaining that the patient had died on the table when he said "oooooh, boy, I think they're all gone already."

What!? I was the third frigging guy in the office that morning! Had these jerks just sat around with their thumb up their ass all day??

I sat back down, dazed, and getting angry. Am I supposed to get temporary tags every month for a year? Would they even ALLOW that? And what if I don't make the cut NEXT year??

Finally, my girl comes over and asks whether I was the guy from earlier in the day with the kit car. Yes, I say. Good news! she says, the certificates are all gone--only 500 per year--but they were able to get one for me: 415/500.

So I'll get my certificate in 8-10 days, another smog referee trip where another special tag goes on the door sill, and to the DMV for plates.

It was a bit of a pain in the ass up front, but now I have the satisfaction of A) knowing it won't ever be a problem again and B) it's the competely iron-clad legal way of registering a speedster replica in CA.
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I purchased a Fiberfab speedster in September that had never been registered in California.

I wasn't sure what to expect at DMV, because the car was built on a junked '70 VW pan and I didn't know date of the engine.

I got it registered as a SPCNS--specially constructed vehicle. I had feared it would be more challenging, since I wasn't the one who had put the car together, and I didn't have all receipts.

I was referred to CHP for a duplicate VIN inspection. The CHP "restored" the old VIN from Junked status. They attached a stamped tag with the old/new VIN on the door sill.

I thought I was out of the woods because the car was a 1970 and therefore should be smog exempt but the DMV referred me to the CA smog referee, which didn't make much sense.

The CA smog referees in San Diego are pretty cool. I expected some greenie/tree hugger turning up his nose at the thought of my dual carbed 2200CC 40's technology motor, but one of the guys was a drag racer and the other guy was building a Cobra replica. They explained that (with a SPCNS anyway) even though there wasn't a smog check requirement on a 1970, there were still prohibitions in 1970 regarding the modifications to what was "stock," so they couldn't pass the car. They suggested a certificate of sequence, which had feared from the very beginning would be the ultimate impediment to getting plates.

California grants 500 smog exemption permits each year, under Senate Bill 100, for SPCNS cars. Ordinarily, you have emissions requirements based on the year of the motor in your kit car. SB 100 gives you the choice of using the model year the car most closely resembles, or using 1960 if the car doesn't resemble any other car previously produced. Either would work for me, because there weren't any prohibitions on anything back then.

I showed up to the DMV today (again!) at around 6:45, I was the fourth guy in line!

Two of the guys in front of me had built Cobras and were after the same thing as me. One of the guys had arrived at 4:30AM!

When they opened I was called immediately. I didn't have a lot of confidence when my clerk said, "boy, it's been so long since I've done one of these, I don't even remember how."

I'm thinking, Yeah, Lady, it's been exactly one year and they were all done on the *same* day because they don't last more than *one*.

So she took my paperwork then came back and said that they were calling Sacramento to apply for my sequence number, and I should take a seat. Around 8:15.

At 12:30 she comes over and says they still haven't gotten through to Sacramento and I should probably go do something else for a while and check back in a few hours. Not encouraging.

I went back at 2:30 and found out that my lady was in a meeting. Waited another 30 minutes and flagged someone down asking if they had gotten word on the SB100 applications that came in earlier?

The guy looked like a doctor explaining that the patient had died on the table when he said "oooooh, boy, I think they're all gone already."

What!? I was the third frigging guy in the office that morning! Had these jerks just sat around with their thumb up their ass all day??

I sat back down, dazed, and getting angry. Am I supposed to get temporary tags every month for a year? Would they even ALLOW that? And what if I don't make the cut NEXT year??

Finally, my girl comes over and asks whether I was the guy from earlier in the day with the kit car. Yes, I say. Good news! she says, the certificates are all gone--only 500 per year--but they were able to get one for me: 415/500.

So I'll get my certificate in 8-10 days, another smog referee trip where another special tag goes on the door sill, and to the DMV for plates.

It was a bit of a pain in the ass up front, but now I have the satisfaction of A) knowing it won't ever be a problem again and B) it's the competely iron-clad legal way of registering a speedster replica in CA.
Great you guys. If it was the tax dollars the state would open the registration up for more than 500 vehicles. There are many vehicles out there that registered improperly and did not pay the taxes due the state. By allowing more vehicles to register the state could make up a lot of money.

How many californians on this site registered their speedsters as 62 , 65, or 72 VW's and paid tax on that value (500 to 4,000 dollars) instead of what they paid for their speedsters (20,000 to 30,000 dollars).

That is huge money, especially considering the other "kits" or special construction vehicles. Some cobra owners registered as '64 Fords (1,000 dollars?) and paid much more (40,000-90,000 dollars). That is alot of bucks the state could recoupe if it allowed more registration.
Bruce, I am not trying to awaken any sleeping dogs. I will tell you all that when I had to pay back taxes due to improper registration, I had a long talk with the Fraud department at CA DMV. They were very happy that I came forward and did the correct thing (expensive, too). I was told that they are looking and finding improperly registered vehicles, and that a speedster on a pan that is registered as a VW and not a SPCN is illegally registerd. Again, I am not trying to awaken any dogs, but warning that someone from the state is going around kicking "dogs" to see if they bite.

There are a few things in the works statewide that may help. I hope they do.

Have a nice day.
After 4 hours of talking with a guy building a cobra, sitting in the dmv office in clovis, we got number 389 and 390 and there were two others in the office I didn't meet. thanks to the state for half a day off and getting to meet a new friend in town. It is for the RSK
David Barrett
So.....You are saying that my speedster which is titled and registered as a 67 VW on a 67 pan with a 67 VW Engine is illegally regiistered?????. When I went to DMV, no one batted an eye. Admittedly I live in a small town where these things don't have the same sense of ergency but I don't want to run afoul of the Sheriff.

Gary

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Of COURSE it is ! ! !

If you bought a Corvette chassis and engine and mounted a full tilt 1940 Ford Cabriolet body, leather interior, and canvas top on it, would it be a Corvette? Or a Ford with a different chassis,or a new construction custom vehicle?

If your car was stolen or used in a crime, would the witness describe a Porsche or VW?

Would your insurance replace it with a replica or a Beetle?

Think it through from an outside perspective and be honest with yourself.

TC
Gary,
Your car should be registered as a SPCN, or specially constructed vehicle. As such, it would need to be smog compliant with the year of engine and be "smogged" every other year. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcns_main.htm

As for the local DMV not batting an eye, did they go out and visually check the vehicle? That probably wouldn't matter. The SPCN section of the regs is not well understood by the local offices and according to my contact with the Fraudulent Registration Unit head in Sacramento, most local offices don't know what they're doing.
Gary:

You might want to wait until later in the year to begin the process--it's a bit convoluted, and there's a cap.

You'll have to make a trip to the DMV, then probably a trip to the CHP where they'll check for duplicate VINs, then you get referred to the Smog Referee (your car might be old enough to predate any smog/emissions requirements; my 1970 failed because it had dual carbs and an electronic distributor). If you fail the visual at the Smog Referee, you've got to get the Certificate of Sequence, and they only give out 500 per year. So they all go on the first business day of the year; you've got to get to the DMV early and keep your fingers crossed.

So if you begin the process now, you might not be able to drive the car for a while, if you end up needing to wait for a 2007 certificate.

Thanks Brain,

I caught that I should wait. Once again, the small town part might help. DMV and CHP are in the same building. I will be honest though I don't know nor have I ever heard of a smog referee. Sounds like a Los Angeles weather official. However, I will keep everyone posted on the perils of Pauline (that would be me) as endeavor to become legitimate.

Thanks guys (in my best Al Bundy voice)

Gary

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According to the DMV's website, the SPCNS has smog requirements equal to the year of the engine in the car. I think you can get referred to the CHP for them to determine what year the engine is based on the serial number of the engine.

That's the first part.

The second part will be if your car has any more modern (or performance) gizmos than the engine should have had when it was in a beetle. If it does, (like dual carbs, or electronic distributors), then your car should not pass the visual inspection, which is another potential problem.

If the car has been exempted under the SB100 program, it should have a metal stamp affixed in the driver's side door jamb. At least, that's where the CHP put my new VIN.

I go to the smog referee tomorrow morning, I'll try to snap some pictures of what everything looks like.
I am looking forward to the pictures of the Smog Referee. I visualize a short hunched back guy with a WWII gas mask on with a huge clipboard.

Seriously, thanks for the effort on the pictures. I have saved this string and I will make my attempt for the next batch of OKs for my suddenly very exotic vehicle.

Gary

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