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This may be a very simple question but I hate to make assumptions.  Today I finally got around to removing all six gauges from my Speedster to prepare for the installation of the Special Edition VDO gauges I bought, ummm, some time ago.  I have a CMC so the original gauges were the 'Vintage Reproduction' deals I've never really cared for.  When I took the gauges out I also removed the 'AMP' gauge.  Boy that thing has some juice going through it. A few big red wires. Thing is, I really don't understand how the thing works or where the wires are from.  I read where the wires come from the ignition and the alternator etc. and that it is wired in series to measure charging and dis-charging.

I don't plan on re-installing the AMP gauge.  Other than the normal power and ground it has two terminals marked 'S' and 'I. Each of them had two BIG red wires attached to it.   If I don't plan on installing the gauge do I just tie the red wires together from each of the terminals so that the circuit is not interrupted??  I know I can make use of the power and ground for other purposes. I'd feel better if I understood where these wires come from and what they do.  Thanks,  Frankimage Frank

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Hey Frank!

If your car is wired like mine was, the 12v red wire was a daisy chain type set up. One hot that looped from 12v+ to 12v+, gauge to gauge. you should cap off the red wire or clip it at the source.

If it's an amp gauge, the 'S' is for Signal and 'I' is for Ignition (to the 12v terminal on the ignition switch. Don't tie them together. You can cap them off or trace them back and unhook them. 

Ted

 

Read the page in Wolfgang's link carefully.

If you don't understand what it's saying, STOP and find someone who does to give you a hand. This is potentially very bad juju that could cause a fire or worse. (A heavy gauge, unfused (unprotected) cable connected directly to the battery.) If it accidentally grounds out anywhere, things are going to get very hot in a hurry.

If your car is wired like the diagram in Wolfgang's link (and it sounds like it probably is), you could in theory connect those wires together, insulate the connection very well, and be done.

But it's probably best to disconnect at least one of them at both ends and run a new, shorter, heavy gauge cable from the alternator to the post on the solenoid that's connected directly to the battery.

The thin wires Ted mentions are probably for the lights in his gauges and wouldn't correspond to the two heavy cables you're asking about.

Or that's my semi-educated guess, anyway. It's best not to diagnose this stuff remotely and have someone who knows car electrics have a look.

 

Thanks Ted, Greg and Mitch.  I was talking about the BIG wires to the AMP gauge. The smaller wires as Ted suggests are great for switched and un-switch power sources. I suspect the same a Ted says with respect to those wires.

I looked at that diagram Greg sent yesterday as I was taking things apart and labelling wires.  And each of the 'S' and 'I' terminals had two wires attached to it.  Not sure but  I'm guessing that they need to be linked together since there are two and they need to be in 'series' for the gauge to read properly.  One of the wires to the 'S' terminal comes from the fuse panel, directly, that I can see. Another I think comes from the Ignition by way of wires coming out of the original column mounted VW ignition and from the firewall by the drivers side. The two wires on the 'I'' terminal were taped with black electrical tape as well as screwed to the terminal. Since the wires are covered its hard to see exactly where they are from but there is a confluence of wires coming out of the ignition.  

I worked with a test light first and found the juice in the big red wires by touching them with the probe and getting a big spark. For sure it was time to disconect the battery. I think I may do a few continuity tests to identify the origin of a couple of those wires.  Alternator and ignition??

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