Car alarm

Hidden kill switch and separate battery cut off works for me.... Plus a " club".

When its out overnight in a hotel parking lot/or restaurant arround town, a traditional " club"  connected to the steering wheel/clutch is as good as a deterrent as any.

People are going to come close and look at the car...it's inevitable. As long as they don't get in and try driving it away I'm happy.  I did have a guy jump in to take a selfie once.  Saw him from the restaurant window.  

i have both a steering wheel lock and pedal lock.   Both work great on the speedster, and other cars.

Side note---- we do a lot of camping/mountaineering/climbing and our trucks would always get broken into when left on the trail heads... Would suck to come back after 3-5 day backcountry hikes/climbs to find the car gone, or window smashed.  15 yrs ago a ranger recommended one of these, + installing a hidden kill switch/or battery cut off , and leaving the car unlocked with a note on the dash stating " car unlocked, nothing to steal"....  Ever since, not a single broken window, though sometimes you can tell someone has looked for stuff in the car, found nothing, and moved along.  Better than a broken window or stollen car.   

Good luck.

I had this battery disconnect doohickey, had a  removable plastic/brass piece that goes with you  and renders the battery inoperable

The biggest concern with leaving these cars isn't theft, it's vandalism.

Some jealous or buy America A$$ feels compelled to key your car....ask me how I know.

Forget the alarm.
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Sorry for your loss Tom.  That feeling of RAGE>>>>>> is not easily put aside at times.

What Tom said. There' nothing more chickensh!t  than screwing with another man's car.  Most of those A holes wouldn't even know how to drive it.

I had an alarm in my car when I got it and I took it out.  I'm careful where I park, usually in full view or a conspicuous spot where other people can see it. Most people smile and move on. Never had a problem. 

You guys are the greatest, thanks

Well we all that said, I am going for a ride NOW  

I've heard of guys with nice VW's taking the coil to distributor wire or replacing it with a non-functioning piece when they leave the car somewhere for more than a few minutes. Even if they get past the battery disconnect it looks like it should start, but the dummy coil wire takes a while to figure out what's wrong and then they don't have a replacement. The more difficult it is to mess with and the more time it takes the greater chance they'll walk away.

I think Al's got the right idea- leave it in full view where it can be seen.

I use a battery switch with a removable key and a time delay ignition cut-off switch. Same thing...if they get past the battery switch and drive it away, the ignition shuts off. Hopefully in some inopportune place that will attract attention, like the middle of an intersection on the street or on the freeway. Parking conspicuously and not leaving anything of real or special value inside or in the "Frunk" also helps, at least, to give me peace-of-mind when I "lock-up" and walk away........Bruce

Paul - I'm in SoCal and I used my previous Speedster as a daily driver for 15 years and logged 100,000 miles driving it all over the Western states. Lots of looky-loos, but never a problem parking wherever.

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I've owned my current Speedster for about 2 years, also used as a daily driver and logged 20,000 miles driving all over California. Again, lots of looky-loos, but never a problem parking wherever.

Neither of these cars had alarms or any other 'deterrent' (that's what insurance is for). How many times have you been out & about and heard a car alarm blaring somewhere in the parking lot. If you're like most people, you probably paid zero attention to it and continued about your business.

It may take some time to get over the anxiety of leaving your car in a parking lot (we've all gone through that). I drive my car(s) with a full tonneau all the time. I fold the front portion behind the seats, so as I park the car, I pull out the tonneau and enclose the car. It minimizes temptation of looky-loos and parking anxiety.

 Welcome To The Madness, and here's wishing you many miles of of top-down driving enjoyment!  

A full tonneau is a must. Helps with a lot of things: bird poop doesn't get in the cockpit, keeps people from reaching in, helps keep the seats cool, and peace of mind.

However, I do have an alarm on mine with an IR system that will activate if someone reaches into he car for any reason. The doors and the frunk lid have magnets on them so if the doors or frunk is open the alarm will activate. There is also a mercury switch in the frunk that will activate if someone attempts to tow the vehicle away. And lastly, the ignition system is disabled when the alarm is activated.

Oh, and don't leave anything in the cockpit that can be quickly snatched and taken.

 

What Jim said about the tonneau.

It may be hard to think of a thin piece of canvas as a 'security' device, but it works out that way. Besides keeping dirt, leaves, and bird poop out, it discourages most casual monkeying with the car and with anything you left inside.

The simple truth is that these cars are almost impossible to secure like a modern car and anyone who seriously wants to get in or steal it will find it easy pickings. Develop a defensive parking strategy, take anything valuable with you, think clean thoughts, and carry good insurance.

Surprisingly, stories of outright theft seem to be rare, maybe because these cars are so conspicuous and thieves are looking to make a quiet getaway.

 PS: Ah, didn't type fast enough. Robert already made some of my points. As you can see, bird poop is a more common danger than theft.

 

I guess part of my concern is the possibility of someone taking it with a tow truck. The switch mentioned above could help with that. But at the same time, imagine a tow truck hooking up your 356 and the alarm going off; people would stand back ad watch assuming it was a repo or some legitimate tow.

I guess there's only so much you can do. We all have insurance.

Paul

Paul, at the top of each page is a black title bar, at the right side next to: ACTIVITY is a round symbol with a weird leg-thingy which represents a magnifying glass, it's next to the + sign.

Right-click on the magnifying glass thingy and type in your search parameters in the white pop-up box that appears (it says SEARCH), hit your keyboard ENTER bar and boom, you've searched the site.

Will

I have an alarm as well as a keyed kill switch. The alarm is motion-activated and also disables the ignition. I always hit the alarm when I park and it's amazing how often it goes off. People just can't keep their hands off Penny. They're quick to apologize when I emerge to turn off the alarm but they often ask to take photos. There was once time where I didn't set the alarm and walked out to find a young lady sitting in the car while her photo was being taken. In the twelve years I've had Penny I have never had anything stolen out of her and never a touch of vandalism. She brings a smile to everyone who sees her.

Get the alarm. It keeps honest people honest.

I'm kind of like Jim. Take the key. Close the door. Snap the cover. Walk away. If someone wants it... more power to them.  It's insured. 

Yeah, me too.

We've only heard of three cars stolen on here in the last five+ years, and they were all from the same builder on the same night.  Personally, I have not heard of a single owner losing a 356 replica to theft in the 16 years I've been involved with them on a forum.   While I take the usual precautions wherever I go and park (parking apart from other cars or gettingna primo up-front spot from restaurant valets (but I park it)) I think an alarm in one of these cars is a big waste of money.

If you're going to do anything, get a full tonneau installed and use it.

2 x .....get a full tonneau installed and use it.

Extras are Main Cut Off switch, a sort piece of wood dowel stuck in between the coil wire and the dizzy terminal, VW shifter base lock or a Big Dog :~)

Does that VW shifter base lock work?  Always wondered. 

It has it's own key, it "locks" the shift handle from being moved.

So, yes.....They work, are pretty effective and at least the Berg has a very substantial base so you can't break it without destroying you're ability to shift at all.  A locking base with anti-theft bolts (even hex-socket cap bolts needing an Allen wrench to remove them would be better than hex head.)

The Berg locks you into reverse, too, so all you have to do is back into a contained parking space, lock the shifter, snap your tonneau and walk away.

I posted this just before receiving my 2006 Beck Speedster and the car has since arrived. It's only been a few days but I drove it to work a couple of days ago, round trip 25 miles, all good, great actually. Most days after work my son and I jump it to run to the Sonic for a lemonaid or any other excuse to take turns driving it.

Anyway, last night I needed to pick an item at Walmart so off we go. We find a parking place on the front edge of the lot but not directly in front of the store. We don't even have a chance to get out of our seats when this huge crew cab truck pulls in behind us blocking us in. The driver is on the far side of the vehicle, his wife on the passenger side closest to us. We could also see a kid in a car seat in the rear. The driver was a very large, probably 300 pound 40 year old and he shouts "hey, you want to sell that Porsche?" Now you can see I have temp plates, but I respond that I just got it so no I don't want to sell it. This guy was very rude and his next question was "what's it worth?" By now we are getting out and applying the flat cover over the interior. The guy then points out that the lights have gone out in the store (meaning we might as well not go in). I love to talk about my new car so even though I didn't appreciate his demeanor, I said "well".... and before I could answer he asked if it was a replica to which I said yes it is, but it's the best replica they make. And as I started to say that a real Speedster was about a half million bucks, he interrupted and said "yeah the real ones are $250K."

I did not want to continue this conversation, but just then he points out that the lights in the store have come back on. Perfect, we can disengage and go in. The gentleman drives away. My son later said he watched him drive out of the parking lot and onto the street. We walked into the store and picked up a gallon of milk and one or two other items and then see the registers are backed up and the self service ones are completely down. We put our items back and leave the store. As we exit the front doors, I looked over to were we parked and there is the same truck. He hasn't parked but he was very near my car. As we walked in that direction he took off. I gestured with my hands, you know holding my hands palms up at waist level as if to say, "did you have more questions?" He continued to drive fairly quickly and left the parking lot. 

My son and I discussed it as we drove home. We concluded this guy was up to no good. Now for what its worth, I'm a 29 year police commander and I'm always armed. So our safety was not to much at risk and you'd think if he was going to commit some kind of crime he wouldn't do it with his family in tow, but I've seen people do things you wouldn't believe. I lecture people all the time about how you can't shoot someone to protect your property, you can only use deadly force if your life, or someone else's is in danger. Having said that, if I walked out and found this guy hooking my car up, I would have "gone to guns." I would have had my son dial 911 while I engage the subject ordering onto the ground, while identifying myself. Though here in Arizona it's open carry so everyone is armed it seems.

Now with the situation we are watching across the nation, this is where people don't understand what the police are dealing with. Yes, I had a personal interest in this situation (the hypothetical theft) but even if I saw him stealing some stranger's car I would have engaged him as a law enforcement professional. Now, here is where it could get ugly. If he was armed and reached for his weapon, I become concerned or fearful for my life and do what I need to do. But what if this 300 pound man decides to take me on hand to hand, even though I am pointing a firearm at him, lets say he charges at me. This happens more times than you can imagine all across our country. A lot of the suspects are mentally challenged, but we don't know that and can't wait until we're killed to find out. So do I want to engage in a hand to hand fight when one of my hands has a gun in it. These fights always end up being a fight over control of the gun. Knowing that I am at a disadvantage, I shoot this guy. In fact I pull the trigger continuously until the threat goes away.

So the headlines say "cops kill unarmed man in front of his family." God forbid he is someone "of color" there are going to be marches and protests and local government are under pressure to prosecute me. If I had hesitated to do what I did, (again hypothetically) I die in front of my son. Now, in reality, had it not been my own beautiful new Speedster, I would have called 911 and taken cell phone pics and become a really good witness for the local police to interview. In other words I would have recognized that I'm alone, without my tool belt full of less lethal options, 60 years old and at the end of my career etc. It would have been unwise to engage the subject.  

I'm getting really carried away now, when this is a simple discussion about whether or not to install an alarm. Maybe the guy just came back around to take a couple of pictures. But I know he saw us, and he saw my hand gesture but decided to take off like he was guilty of something. The car was apparently untouched, meaning we didn't find anything out of sorts. 

I want to close this asking that all of you Google "Michael Brown." the Ferguson incident is still mentioned every day as if poor little Michael was murdered by the police. Look for the Justice Departments summary of their investigation. The Justice Department would have loved to find that Michael's civil rights were violated but they didn't. It's about a 60 page document that completely clears the officer. His career is over and he's in hiding for doing his job. The media always refers to him as a "teenager" and  shows Michael Brown's picture when he was about 12 years old. In reality, he was 19 and 300 pounds. He grew up a bully and used his size to intimidate everyone he encountered. He had just committed a strong armed robbery and knew the police were on the way. He and his buddy decided to walk down the center of the road with the stolen items clearly visible. When the officer arrived and asked them to move from the center of the roadway, Brown began punching the officer through his window. Brown then leaned inside the car and tried to take the officer's gun which lead to being shot. I don't want to ruin the story for those of you who look up the report.

About 18 months ago, one of my buddies, who is also a commander was Watch Commander on this particular night, when a call came out about a naked white male subject in the street in a residential neighborhood. My buddy rolls up and this guy literally dives through the driver's window going for the commander's gun. This lead to him being shot and killed. It barely made a blip on the news. There were no protests or claims of murder by the police. I guess my point is, as you watch these stories on the news try to remember we shoot a lot of unarmed people. They're ethnicity is not being taken into consideration when it happens. It's their actions that lead to what happens. We are all being forced to take classes in dealing with the mentally ill and bias free policing. It's good training. But I tell all the young guys going out on patrol that they should have three priorities; Go home safely at the end of your ****. 2) don't go to prison because of something that happened during your shift, and 3) try to hand on to your jobs. In that order, period.

I'll get off my soap box now.

I guess we will all have to get a holdster made in the side panel under the dash  

Paul.  Thank you for your public service and perspective ....it takes a special person to walk in your shoes.

 

Paul - there are quite a few SOCers in law enforcement, and I thank each and everyone of you for your public service. In these violent times, with the media stirring up sh*t and people who would rather use their phones to video rather than assist, I can imagine there is no such thing as a 'routine stop'.

Stay safe, my friend! 

I guess we will all have to get a holdster made in the side panel under the dash  

Thanks for your public service, Paul!

I'm not law enforcement, but I do practice my 2nd Amendment right.

HK P7-M8 (hard chrome) in a Matt DelFatti  ISP-LP

An acquaintance of mine is a former Director of HK's International Training Division. I've been through 4 2-day sessions of training with him as the instructor.   When he retired from HK, he started doing civilian training based on the HK program, so we got to play with MP-5's too

Yeah, I'm a firearms enthusiast!

Paul, Thanks for sharing your experience with us.  I, as well as the others, do indeed appreciate your service to the greater good. I'm pretty sure I am not cut out to do it, and am so glad that most of the officers in blue (or green, or camo, or whatever) understand what to do and how to do it as you do.  Saw a post on FB recently (might be true, might not, who knows??) of about six or eight mug shots of guys (no gals -??-), all white, that had been shot and killed by police in the line of duty that day, or week.  And there were no raving a$$ holes clamoring that white lives matter.  Of course, there were no details, and whether or not the shootings were righteous I can't say.  But shyt of all sorts happens every day in every way, and I am going to say that in the vast majority of cases we are talking about bona fide perps who cross the line, end up getting pretty much what they ask for, or ought to expect, in return.  Are there mistakes?  Yes.  Do officers bring their own agendas to any given situation, and react inappropriately sometimes? Yes again. Are truly innocent people mistakenly harmed or even killed by police? I'm going to say yes, regrettably.

AS for Speedy security, you have the best suggestions above:  I have a kill switch, and a full tonneau, and use those.  I also had a security system installed when the car was built (thinking without any further input that such would be a good idea -- what did I know?? ) and have never used it.  It annoyed me with its requirements and beeping, so I disabled it.  I do try to keep the car in sight when I park it out and about, but if I can't, I don't sweat it.

I appreciate all the positive replies. Yes, law enforcement sometimes hires people that should have been weeded out. I was in Internal Affairs for 7 years and got rid of my share of people who had chosen the wrong career path. I have two sons and I don't recommend they follow in my shoes. It's too hard and too dangerous. Our current White House is making it more dangerous. Can you imagine yelling orders at someone to show his hands, while pointing a large handgun at him, and his response is to ignore you and reach behind his back for an unknown object. He brings it around quickly and you think "its shoot or be shot" after the fact it turns out to be a cell phone and they guy is deaf. (well that doesn't make since if he's deaf he doesn't have a cell phone but you get the meaning) Bad stuff happens out there and we all have to live with the fall out.

Years ago a local officer was shot in the head and killed during a bank robbery. The two suspects were in the county illegally and fled in a white four door sedan. I was at home watching it on the news. Every white four door was being pulled over in what we used to call a "felony stop" we now call them "high risk stops." This was in June and it was 115 degrees outside. The occupants of every vehicle stopped were ordered out at gun point and told to lay on the ground. They had no idea why they were being stopped but they had better follow the officers instructions. Later, after they find out this isn't the cop killers they are looking for, apologies are given and complaints are made and investigated and life goes on.

We all need to have that conversation with our families, kids etc about the appropriate conduct expected when they encounter law enforcement. It's a two way street, the bias works both ways. We're receiving training, the people we deal with are not and they're bias is very obvious.  

 

Google shows some interesting options under "car gun holster"

 

There are times when I LOVE living in "Nowhere, USA".

A few random thoughts: First, I have never (maybe just not yet) ever been in a situation where I wish I had a gun and needed to have one, vs any other option, to survive.  [That said, such situations do happen, I am certain -- see anecdote below as an example.]  I do not have guns.  I did learn to shoot and was not a half bad shot, when I was a young lad -- BSA marksmanship merit badge, I'll have you know. My dad was in the Navy, and he had access to firearms of all sorts, and we did some target shooting.  Never done any hunting either, although I did plink a squirrel or two with a pellet gun as a kid.  Living in rural southern VA during that time almost every kid I knew looked fwd to the day he would get his .22 and be able to go out and use it.  Not me.  I'll admit i thought it would be cool, but there were not going to be ANY guns in our house.  Not sure whose rule that was -- probably mom's.  From my perch, all the fuss airing recently makes me think we are going back to the frontier days, where (I assume, since I did not live then)  justice was delivered most often by the folks against whom injustices were delivered.  Everybody was packin' and everybody knew it.  The Wild West, as it were.  I would sincerely like to believe that we have advanced as a society beyond that, but it would seem not so, at least for a significant portion of folks. I heard that the most common use of firearms these days in the meting out of death is via suicide.  Not sure If I believe that stat, but i saw it somewhere recently.  That is pretty scary.  Having teachers and principals packing heat to school would scare the crap out of me if I had kids in that school, but I do not have a good answer to those who say doing so could save the lives of the children -- think Sandy Hook, etc.  Well, maybe, but how many "accidents" would ensue and take how many unintended and innocent lives?  Tough choices here. There are always unintended consequences.  Somebody said that if everyone carried a gun, then crime would go WAY down.  Others say that if NOBODY had a gun, then there would be no gun related crime and subsequent deaths.  Neither situation is anywhere close to being real or achievable, but only the latter one holds up to rational analysis.  If you give every one a gun, then there will be a LOT more killings via gun.  This seems indisputable.

I heard a sociologist give a lecture once where he claimed that if we had police and surveillance such that if any crime committed anywhere would be instantly and reliably detected and the perpetrator caught, then there would be no crime.  If you knew at the beginning that you would be caught and punished without doubt, then that would disincline you to commit said crime.  Hmmm . . .  Not sure I buy that (crimes of passion, mental derangement, etc.) but maybe . . .  Not that I think the Big Brother society is utopia, but still, the idea is intriguing.  Or take it one step further: suppose if you have evil in your heart, or are otherwise tempted to wreak harm, or other criminal effect, on someone, and the very second you act on that impulse, God smites you dead.  Seems to me it would not take too many of these smites (?) for word to get out, and then crime again goes way down.  At minimum, there would be no repeat offenders.

One more stupid what-if:  What if in every case of a gun used to commit a violent crime, whether anyone died as a result or not, you take the gun out of the scenario, and replace it with a knife, or an ax, or maybe a Viking sword.  How many of those crimes get consummated?  How many people die?

And here is a real story: A guy on leave stops at a pay phone on the street at night to call a friend, or a cab. This is before cell phones, obviously. another dude approaches from behind, sticks a knife in his back and demands money, etc.  The accosted reaches under his coat, gets a grip on his service revolver and aims it roughly up and back at the assailant, and kills him. He lays the gun on the ground and calls 911, waits for the cops.  No charges are filed.  The guy wants to go home, but the police insist of putting him in an ambulance, he is taken to the ER and loses half a kidney, which was punctured by the aforementioned knife.  A true story folks; it did not happen to me,  and I have absolutely no remorse or regret on behalf of the perp in this story.

No answers here, just a lot of stupid questions.

Klatu Barada nikto

I sincerely hope that this thread doesn't turn political and run rampant. We are in a different time and mindset due to the climate created by Obama and the increasing hostile world we live in. I fear for my grand children's future, for life in the US has changed forever as we know it and for the most part has no chance whatsoever or reverting back to simpler times that we so enjoyed. I may come across as a hardliner but if put in a volatile situation...it's me or them, it's me without a moments hesitation and having made said choice, I will remain a living husband and father.

Roger that, although I do not lay the malaise to which you refer wholly at Obama's feet.  Such is just too simple. It's just too big for one man, President or not. I prefer Pogo's assessment, wherein he returns from a trip off-strip, so to say, and declares: "I have met the enemy -- and he is us."

I don't want to turn this discussion in..... the wrong direction. This started as an alarm question. My employer is the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. My sheriff is Joe Arpaio, you've probably heard of him. I don't agree with him all the time, but I do agree often. He's been in office something like 25 years and is re-elected every four years. It looks like he may not make it this election, probably because of so much bad publicity over illegal alien round ups. Long story.

I have about 11 months left to reach 30 and I'm done, I don't want to be a reserve or wear a uniform again, I've had it. I'll always be armed though. It's like insurance, you know if you don't pay your insurance, the day it expires you'll need it. I'm not going to be anyone's victim, nor my family. Having said that, taking another human beings life is a serious matter, not to be taken lightly. I've never done it and hope I never need to.

In reference to "drag the body inside." Not true, at least here it isn't. I recently gave a lecture to our Qualified Armed Posse, about 300 of them. We used to have about 3000 mostly retired posse members. Some were doctors, lawyers etc. Anyway, because of my time in Internal Affairs, and investigating officer involved shooting for several years, I was qualified to talk to them about what to expect if they ever had to shoot someone, on duty or off duty. The first words out of your mouth better be "I was afraid for my life." (or someone else's)   Whether that fear turned out to be real or not is not the issue. It's what your perception was at the time you pulled the trigger. This is why body cameras are so import. It will show what you saw and heard from your perspective. Someone standing ten feet to your left may not see the same thing at all, so don't get caught up in sympathetic shooting. "I shot because my partner shot." You can't shoot unless you identify a threat.

Since I was a new deputy, everyone said it was just a matter of time before a posseman shoots someone. (the underlying tone is that it won't be a good shooting). Well about 2 years ago one of our 65 year old posseman was in his personal vehicle minding his own damn business when his car is struck. He doesn't understand at first but Phoenix PD was chasing some serious robbery suspects. The suspect crashed into our posse guy. The Police officer starts struggling with the suspect trying to get him into custody and the posse guy gets out to help. The 285 pound black male suspect takes the officer's gun away from him and shoots them both. They both survived but it was really bad, especially for our posse guy. Long road to recovery. This is an example why we shoot unarmed people. The fight is always for our gun and we must win the fight or die.

So, it doesn't matter where you shoot them. You don't need to drag them inside. You were either in fear for your life or you weren't.

A final note. If anyone ever reads you "Miranda" shut the hell up. It's a constitutional right, never give it up, ever. It can't be held against you in any context. There is evidence, witnesses, video etc. Don't put the rope around your own neck.

I have only had one instance where I might have used a gun.  A few years ago, I witnessed a road rage attack in gridlocked traffic on a major urban highway.

This huge thug started pulling a guy out of his window after smashing it with his bare fist.

I saw the incident from start to finish, and my adrenaline went through the roof and time stood still as I went, mentally, through several scenarios of what might happen if I needed to jump in to help as a good Samaritan.

Before I could decide, about a dozen electric linesman jumped out if their trucks and helped the guy from a certain brutal beating

It's the only time my "fight or flight" trigger went off... hell... this was about 10 years ago, and my adrenaline still spikes just thinking about it

Makes you think doesn't it?

As a deputy here where I live I'm on a fugitive team that hunts down society's worst offenders and I do that every day. My adrenaline spikes a half dozen or more times per day. Unfortunately I've had to use my firearm several times in my career. Mostly in the past 6 years. And I've spent more than my fair share in the Internal Affairs Office.

I arrested 3 people in one day on my day off. I was selling fireworks at our church booth when I saw a robbery happening in the parking lot at the CVS behind us. I carry while off duty so I intervened and got all three proned out for the police dept.. It worked out for everyone. I walked back over and finished my shift selling fireworks.

My sheriff hands out CCW permits like candy bars at halloween to the upstanding citizen's in our county. Several of them have had to use their weapons to save their own lives so it does work. Carrying a firearm is a massive responsibility and should not be done without a lot of thought and honesty with yourself. The first question I ask people when they ask me, "I'm thinking of getting a gun, what should I get?", is, "Are you willing to kill someone?". If they answer, "No, I'll just scare them." then I tell them not to bother with a gun. Because if the situation is dire enough you need a weapon then you better be using that weapon because crooks have all seen guns and they aren't afraid of them.

I'm old enough to retire but I started this career later in life so I have 6 more to go to get 25 and then I'm out. I have never regretted being in law enforcement but times are tough right now for law enforcement. Everybody with a cell phone wants to be a YouTube Social Justice Warrior and it's made the public all professionals in telling us how to do our job. PE touched on why unarmed people get shot. But all these people that scream about it don't understand that just because AFTER the situation is over and you find that the suspect is unarmed doesn't matter a hill of beans. What matters is what the officer perceived at the time the incident took place. LE is no place for the Monday Morning Quarterback.