Carlisle Fire Suppression Systems Seminar & Related Info

Bruce

 

So far we are still coming to Carlisle, and I'd be glad to have anyone check out the Safecraft halon system I installed. 

 

It was quite simple to install, with a couple of electrical conduit clamps, but unfortunately Safecraft doesn't seem to make a system for our cars anymore.  So it's not much help to anyone.

 

However, should someone want to buy my system, the car comes with it (for Canadians only, that is).

Summit Racing carries SafeCraft models with 3 nozzels, 10 foot hose, and cable pull activation for under $500 (plus $27.50 hazardous shipping surcharge).  They have Halon and Dupont FE36 models.  A group buy might at least reduce multiple $27.50 charges and get a discount.

 

Safecraft RS5AAA - Safecraft RS Series Fire Protection Systems

Bob,

 

Thanks for the offer, I'll add you and your car to the list.

 

Wolfgang,

 

I sent an email to Cory. 

 

 

 

 

 

I checked with Cory, here's his response:

 

"All I have is an extinguisher in front of the shifter, Bruce. For those who do the ABC extinguishers, they should make it a monthly check-off to shake them up (to keep the chemical powder from clumping).

 

They ought to check the needle on the gauge, too, to make sure the pressure is in the green. 

 

That bottle should be in the 'lunge-and-grab area, too. It's for the occupant to get out, not to extinguish the fire. 

 

The best fire prevention measure anybody with one of these cars can take regards the fuel lines. New, new, new. And keep the stupid little see-through plastic filter OUT of the engine compartment entirely -- and not over top of the exhaust, either. It's gasoline. At -40°F, it'll ignite.

 

:-(

 

Cheers!

Cory"

So Safecraft, Blaze Cut - others?  What are the differences, similarities, benefits?  

Wolfgang, that looks exactly like my system(RS-5). I just looked at the paperwork, and I got my system in early 2002, before I even got my car. I had the fire system and the engine before anything else. Funny!

 

I'm not sure, but I think my system is Halon 1301. WAY more expensive today, which makes sense as it is no longer produced. Whatever we have left is all there is. It is legal to sell and use, but they aren't making any more.

 

Facts about halon:http://www.h3rcleanagents.com/support_faq_2.htm

So it looks like both Halon and the newer Dupont FE36 are safe for our engines (non-corrosive and no residue).  Halon seems to still think it is a more effective product.  I didn't realize the old Carbon Tetrachloride (once used as cleaning fluid) was in Halon family.  Grandmother had several clear glass bulbs with it around old farm house --- to be thrown on fires. 

 

So 3 nozzels - one for each carb and one for alternator ?  Seems waste to direct the third (and a 3rd of flow) to front electric fuel pump/gas tank.

Two are aimed at the carbs, yes.

 

The third one is aimed at my Eberspacher, which is in the cabin under the dash. Better safe.......

i have my Blaze Cut will install it soon looks simple and easy.

I can't remember in what thread we were talking about Safecraft and I mentioned how they discontinued the old automatic self contained extinguishers previously installed on IMs and P cars. ( p/n 50-1020 (1.2 lbs of  halon) and 50-1025 ( 2.2lbs) 

 

well, I received a call from Rocky last week after several attempts to locate this old part through their standard customer support help line, and he confirmed they had parts to manufacture the old IM system, P/n 50-1025 (26" container, two nozzles, 2.2lbs of Halon 1211).  Three days later it arrived, and today I installed.  (removing the blaze cut.... Which I installed last /spring.)

 

give them a ring and ask for Rocky if you are still shopping/interested in this self contained easy to install system...  

 

 

... In case anyone is curious, winter 2013 I tried replicating Mangos firewall project...  unfortuantelly the quality of my work is several notches bellow his... But this was an easy project.... Which required lots and lots of patiene.

 

 

cheers,

 Luis

 

Luis,

I am interested in buying one of these Saftcraft setup Halon units.

Can you share with us how much Rocky sold this to you for?  If not, can you dialog the answer?  Thanks.

Tom L.

Tom,

 

just sent eat you a dialog.  I'm very sorry about your car... fortunatelly you hot out safely and no one was hurt.  

 

It reminded me of how important it is to to look at/ refresh my " agreed value" policy and update my extinguisher system before the summer driving season.  Also encouraged me to replace all my flexible fuel lines today... An item I am now including in my pre-season check-up for the car.

 

feel fee to call/ email for any qs.

 

cheers,

Luis

 

 

Luis,

Thanks for your reply.  You sent dialog to "Pepespeed"?

Sorry, but I have nothing so far on my In Dialog box? 

If you go with automatic - does it also have a manual over-ride pull cable?  IF I were to see/smell smoke, I'd pull cable -- vs waiting for sensor to read 286 degrees? I mean what if you put sensor in wrong place. Is 2.2 # enough - many have 5# canisters.  Way I read - you can shut off the manual systems - and reuse if there's some still left.

You can buy clean agent gas systems that have both automatic and manual discharge, and can usually specify the discharge temp.  Common range is from about 285F-500F.  However, you would really want to have the system recharged prior to putting the car and the system back in service.

Auto system does not have a manual pull/ overryde.  Similar to a building system, the extinguisher is set off by a glass fluid filled bulb bursting at ~287 +/- 8F.  Bottle empties all 2.2lb of the halon 1211... Which safecraft fells is overkill for such a small engine bay.   

 

Safecragft will build auto system to different heat range-  250-500F....  They recommended I stay with the IM spec of 287f.

 

i also carry a 2.5lb halon 1211 hand held bottle, and flame resistent gloves in the cabin to help open the lid In a worse case scenario.

 

I debated which system to go with.  For for me the auto system + a handheld was the way to go... I assume the system will react faster than I will In the event of an emergency.   My only concern is the thing going off when there is no fire...

 

Actually I was happy with the blaze cut I had installed... Several VW guys locally put it to the test in real world fires las summer... And it worked... Put the flames off with only 1lb of FP-36 material (sp).  They both found out their car was on fire when the engine stalled-  both on the freeway...  By then the fire had been put out by the Blazecut system.

 

Safecraft bottle can be refilled of it ever goes off by Safecraft or authorized dealer.

 

for me its piece of mind and having enough time to get out safely... saving the car would be a plus... But with a fiberglass shell its not an expectation.

 

 

Every automatic fire extinguishing system I have seen offers a pull cable(s) or manual or mechanical activation, either with the stock system or as an accessory. It really makes sense when you think about it.  Many of these systems are installed in track cars, and the differing auto racing organizations have their own unique, sometimes singular, rules.  Sometimes the differing rules are logical, sometimes not.  

Example: NHRA rules for drag strips have differing concerns about crowd exposure from a vehicle fire near the grandstand than SCCA road racing or rally events, where crowds and other exposures and fire loads are reduced.  Thus, companies need to offer lots of options or alternatives to correspond to the differing sets of rules, or miss an entire market share.

 

For example, some requirements mandate that the system has 2 manual pull cables, one for the driver or passenger in the car, and a longer pull valve that extends to a designated, marked, and protected, location in the frame.  The exterior handle can theoretically be activated by track personnel, if the auto system doesn't function, or the driver is unable to manually activate the system from inside the vehicle. Interior pull handles are mounted in a protective bracket, usually on the dash, to prevent accidental discharge. 

 

Even though some of the associations' requirements may seem arbitrary or capricious, the manufacturers supply all the options, and they are then tested by UL, applying the rules of the testing authority.  All of the above are additional reasons why it makes sense to buy only approved extinguishing devices.  They have a much better chance of surviving the trauma associated with a fire that results from a crash, and still be able to extinguish any associated fire.

 

If the worst does happen, and one of us is upside down or trapped inside our vehicle and smells leaking gasoline, we will thank our lucky stars for having the presence of mind to install the best system we could afford.  

Safecraft does have their AT line, certified and specialty built for NaSCAR, Bush series and others that don't have a manual trigger option.  Same as the old Porsche/IM specific system but can be fitted with any size bottle, and multiple nozzles/sensors built to trigger at application specific temp ranges.   

 

https://www.safecraft.com/prod...ster_cat=motorsports

 

Their LE line does have both auto (electronic controlled trigger) and manual triggers... The auto system is different than on their AT line, as the electronic controller runs on power Vs the heat sensitive bulb installed on their AT line.

 

https://www.safecraft.com/prod...ster_cat=motorsports

 

 

... lots of great application specific certified and tested options to choose from.

 

BTW, I do not work or have any affiliation with Safecraft.  I just like/have used their products for years and they have exceptional customer service.  I had a system on my RS America which did as expected during a track accident years back... miss the car... It was lots of fun!

 

 I agree with jim.  Safety and piece of mind is most important.

 

 

 

 

Bruce,

Not sure if rsvp is required for this fire prevention seminar at Carlisle, but I would like to be a participant in same.  Want to see those Safecraft and other units available as well as good practices to prevent the BBQ from happening under/behind my seat.  Thanks.

Pepespeed,

This will be open to any and all – no fee, nothing formal.  A RSVP isn't needed for the seminar but who ever is registering with Carlisle, is participating in any of our events and/or just wants a personal nametag prepared an RSVP would be appreciated.

 

I've been thinking about how to do this "seminar". Originally I was thinking about moving all the cars with a FSS to one spot. But then it gets pretty crowded on Saturday and everyone is usually settled into their spot by then. So latest thinking - we'll have extra chairs under the tent so I'll make up signs for however many we have, put a chair behind each car with FSS and hang a sign on each chair so everyone will know which cars to see. Hopefully the owners will be close by to show/describe their system, installation, etc. Saturday morning Egg Sammiches for the owners will be on me. Not sure what time yet, we'll have to schedule around the autocross and the group photo. Maybe 11:30 AM? How does that sound?

 

So far we have Danny Piperato, Bob Carley, Syl Mathis and Michael McKelvey. Anyone else?

 

 

I am IN for 11:30 am.

Tom L.

Bruce, Include me in the seminar.

 

Thanks, Dennis - Crawdad

Guys,

 

No need to let me know in this thread if you're coming to the seminar or this thread will quickly fill up with the notifications.  I'll modify my comments up above:

 

"This seminar will be open to any and all – no fee, nothing formal.  A RSVP form isn't needed for the seminar but who ever is registering with Carlisle, is participating in any of our events (cruises, dinners, raffle, museum tour, car on the showfield) and/or just wants a personal nametag prepared an RSVP via email would be appreciated to:  bstumpp at comcast dot net."  Thanks.

Sorry, Bruce, I just sent my RSVP form via a dialogue to you.

 

Bruce,

 

Sign me up for attending the fire extinguisher seminar.  I really want to find out about that, and hope I'm not too late, and that there will be room for me.  I know I'm a little late, but maybe you can squeeze me in.   Where do I send my paperwork and registration fee?   ;-)

 

Kelly

You have to have a credit check done first, Kelly.  Otherwise you can only see the "fire" part of the fire suppression seminar.  Don't forget to supply the DNA sample as well.

   

I'm collecting the entry fees Kelly.

It'll help if you pay before we leave the hotel for dinner either Thursday or Friday evening.

Lane,

Please trust me that if any of us look in the rear view mirror and see the black smoke/flames coming out of grill...  the DNA sampling is involuntarily supplied in a millisecond. 

Tom L.

11:30 is fine as long as I'm not autocrossing then. Ed may be also. Any more takers this year? I know Wild Bill had a hoot last year!

Auto-X?? I'm going to give it a go.  Do you just sign up at the time, or is there anything you gotta do before the week-end??

 

I'm hoping to get on the track this year, yeah. First gotta get out in the garage though and do some chores. Hope it warms up soon.

The Safecraft system requires installing a tank, right?  Where is everyone putting it in car?

 

 

The Safecraft system that several of us have is all contained in the tube being shown. It contains the Halon, heat sensor, & nozzles. Fully automatic & self/contained.

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Bruce

 

One Safecraft system is a cylinder that mounts on the top of the engine firewall, as shown in this shot of my car.  It's a long cylinder with a heat sensor.  There are other systems where the tank is installed in other places, with tubes running to the engine compartment.

 

What you see here is the system that Intermeccanica uses/used.

 

Oh, that looks simple enough.  I've been searching on line - eBay, etc. - and was only finding the units with the tank.  As I understand, the one shown in the photo is no longer available, right?

 

 

Bruce

 

Someone said on here that Safecraft would make one up.

Officially they don't advertise it or stock the self cobtained unit.   They consider it a special order, but have the parts to make it.  I ordered mine first week in February, and received it three busines days from order. another picture of the same system showed earlier in the thread.

 

Part  number  50-1026, they call it a porwche or Intermeccanica unit.

 

cheers Luis