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A good way to get your feet wet tinkering for a first time buyer before purchasing a new speedster (not mine) ~ Alan
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A good way to get your feet wet tinkering for a first time buyer before purchasing a new speedster (not mine) ~ Alan
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Doesn't look bad for the price. As Alan said, a good way to get started.
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That's got CMC written ALL over it.
Is that good or bad? Im new here and trying to get an entry level wide body. Need power though...
Not bad at all. Sure needs some pretty work but the price is certainly good. Engine needs some overhaul, dual carb set up would be nice. The door panels could use some color trim, easily done. I would look to replace the guages for something less modern. Color looks ok. This could be a lot of fun for 10K and another 1500.00 in git 'er done stuff.
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if you want power, get your wallet out..minimun $5000+ to do it right.
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Bill, as a (former) CMC owner, there are good and bad things about them that you generally don't find in a turnkey car from a production manufacturing company -- even the smaller companies out there which offer turnkey cars have consistency that CMCs never will.
About twenty to thirty years ago, Classic Motor Carriages sold true 'kits' to people. The company didn't have the best ethics or follow-through, and there were some serious headaches involved with making what you were sold functional as a 'car.'
They were out of Florida, but they had a good marketing idea; they put a couple done cars here and there at airports, and their target demographic was anybody who read Popular Mechanics and the like.
People of ALL skill levels bought these things, and it sometimes comes through in the 'finished' car that the owner/operator/driver/mechanic wasn't any of the four.
The VIN might be a headache, also. Mine came back to a Winnebago camper, and so wasn't legal in any state for registration. Recreational vehicles, apparently, are a little bigger than kit cars. Who knew? (I have seen to that, but it was painful.)
The long and the short of it, for a CMC, is that you're really going to have to have the car checked out by a mechanic who's familiar with Volkswagens. They're a fiberglass body mounted on a shortened chassis, so you'll want to have someone (or maybe yourself, if you're confident and knowledgeable) check the welds in the middle of the car. If you're an electrician, you're okay to check the volts and wires ... But I'd have that looked at, too.
They're a good-looking, durable body, but they can hide all kinds of land mines in there. Look at where the wires connect to the fixtures and gauges to see if there's an old wiring harness in there underneath the one in use now -- and so on.
All in all, if you're not scared to jump right in and tinker, that's a great deal for a used CMC. Just a fiberglass body to do one yourself would cost a few thousand bucks. In parts alone, you'll be ahead of the game.
It helps that the car has a great overall appearance. For future reference, that grille in the rear decklid is a giveaway -- only CMCs use that cast aluminum thing. Everyone else has a more refined, vaned grille, closely matching the originals' construction and shape.
Us CMC guys call that thing a hibachi.
About twenty to thirty years ago, Classic Motor Carriages sold true 'kits' to people. The company didn't have the best ethics or follow-through, and there were some serious headaches involved with making what you were sold functional as a 'car.'
They were out of Florida, but they had a good marketing idea; they put a couple done cars here and there at airports, and their target demographic was anybody who read Popular Mechanics and the like.
People of ALL skill levels bought these things, and it sometimes comes through in the 'finished' car that the owner/operator/driver/mechanic wasn't any of the four.
The VIN might be a headache, also. Mine came back to a Winnebago camper, and so wasn't legal in any state for registration. Recreational vehicles, apparently, are a little bigger than kit cars. Who knew? (I have seen to that, but it was painful.)
The long and the short of it, for a CMC, is that you're really going to have to have the car checked out by a mechanic who's familiar with Volkswagens. They're a fiberglass body mounted on a shortened chassis, so you'll want to have someone (or maybe yourself, if you're confident and knowledgeable) check the welds in the middle of the car. If you're an electrician, you're okay to check the volts and wires ... But I'd have that looked at, too.
They're a good-looking, durable body, but they can hide all kinds of land mines in there. Look at where the wires connect to the fixtures and gauges to see if there's an old wiring harness in there underneath the one in use now -- and so on.
All in all, if you're not scared to jump right in and tinker, that's a great deal for a used CMC. Just a fiberglass body to do one yourself would cost a few thousand bucks. In parts alone, you'll be ahead of the game.
It helps that the car has a great overall appearance. For future reference, that grille in the rear decklid is a giveaway -- only CMCs use that cast aluminum thing. Everyone else has a more refined, vaned grille, closely matching the originals' construction and shape.
Us CMC guys call that thing a hibachi.
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My rule of thumb: Buy a used CMC speedter and plan anm add'l budget of $2000 - $2500 to get it to a drivable safe condition. You may very well have funds left over depending on the build talent of the previous owner(s) ~ Alan
Good information from Cory, as usual. One small comment, however, regarding the habachi. Actually, early SAS cars also had this type of engine grill. The latest issue, Paul's Speedster, has the newer "more refined" grill work.
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John,
You triggered something for me. I have a couple badges and the "more refined" grill...........really the chrome is lousy on that refined version, and need to mount them to it. It looks like you just used a couple pieces of aluminum under the grill and screw and nutted it together. Is that the best way? I was thinking stainless but with a "weakly" chromed grill, another metal up against it makes for more rust sometimes.
You triggered something for me. I have a couple badges and the "more refined" grill...........really the chrome is lousy on that refined version, and need to mount them to it. It looks like you just used a couple pieces of aluminum under the grill and screw and nutted it together. Is that the best way? I was thinking stainless but with a "weakly" chromed grill, another metal up against it makes for more rust sometimes.
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Fred, I don't believe the "refined" grill is chromed at all. I think it's just aluminum. I've used some mag wheel polish to bring out a bit more shine on mine.
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I use rubberized grommets or flat rubber washers to mount my grille badge and a piece of aluminum off the number plate for the ADAC Tour d' Europe one. The ADAC football-shaped one on the grille in this picture came with a pair of rubberized flat washers made into the back of it.
My Spyder Club badge got a pair of rubber pieces cut from neoprene.
Nice catch there, Hoss. Thanks for the scoop -- and hey ... is that a Corpse badge? Heh, heh ...
My Spyder Club badge got a pair of rubber pieces cut from neoprene.
Nice catch there, Hoss. Thanks for the scoop -- and hey ... is that a Corpse badge? Heh, heh ...
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Any advice for a first timer if I where the purchase this?
Advice is one thing this forum is in no danger of running short on.
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Hey Guys,
I agree with all of your comments and as you might see I have my CMC for sale at this time.
I was very particular about checking the welds and the wiring from advise from other owners. The only downside to the wiring was that I had to purchase a vintage wiring harness which was a little different but much better quality. Overall, I think the quality of the body/kit was pretty nice. I quess it's all personal preference? As for that blasted rear grill....I don't know why they used a cheaper material? I ended up just painting mine but If the next owner of my car is as particular as I have been, he/she might want to invest in a nice new chrome one from Vintage.
Now my sales pitch..If you know of anyone looking for a flared CMC, send them my way! It's titled as a 73 VW.
Thanks
I agree with all of your comments and as you might see I have my CMC for sale at this time.
I was very particular about checking the welds and the wiring from advise from other owners. The only downside to the wiring was that I had to purchase a vintage wiring harness which was a little different but much better quality. Overall, I think the quality of the body/kit was pretty nice. I quess it's all personal preference? As for that blasted rear grill....I don't know why they used a cheaper material? I ended up just painting mine but If the next owner of my car is as particular as I have been, he/she might want to invest in a nice new chrome one from Vintage.
Now my sales pitch..If you know of anyone looking for a flared CMC, send them my way! It's titled as a 73 VW.
Thanks
John,
You have email!
You have email!