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This clock is intended to clip to a Beetle rearview mirror.  I first tried it below my mirror but the diameter was a bit small so it was loose and the angle was bad.

Here it fits tighter but doesn't go around the rod.  I don't know if it will stay in place.  I have only driven about 5 miles with it.  Even if it works for me it may not for you because these rods vary in diameter.  Mine is from the pre-sale Vintage Speedsters.

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1957 CMC (Speedster) in Ann Arbor, MI

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Back when I had the Speedster screen on my Spyder, I could never get the clamp to tighten enough to stay in place. I ended up getting a little nylon sleeve at Ace hardware and put a slit in it so if would go around the center support.

But for the way that one mounts, I think cloth gaffers tape might work. (I tied e tape and it slipped once it got hot)

Speaking of hot, a dab of hot glue might just do the trick as well. Ever since I started playing with my PBR kit, I’ve been amazed at the myriad of uses of semi-permanent hot glue.

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I wouldn't add tape to the mirror rod. I would add thickness to the backing plate on the clock. Tape on the mirror rod is going to leave a sticky mess when it comes off. Lay several layers of tape across the opening of that backing plate then push it agains the rod folding the layers into the opening. Pull it off and trim off the excess. Add more if necessary until you get a good fit.

@Robert M posted:

I wouldn't add tape to the mirror rod. I would add thickness to the backing plate on the clock. Tape on the mirror rod is going to leave a sticky mess when it comes off. Lay several layers of tape across the opening of that backing plate then push it agains the rod folding the layers into the opening. Pull it off and trim off the excess. Add more if necessary until you get a good fit.

I've not met any tape "sticky" that either brake cleaner or carb cleaner wouldn't remove, especially on a stainless steel or chrome piece. The cleaner won't damage the rod. Spray some on a rag and wipe. Same thing I do with windshield registration and inspection stickers.

@DannyP posted:

I've not met any tape "sticky" that either brake cleaner or carb cleaner wouldn't remove, especially on a stainless steel or chrome piece. The cleaner won't damage the rod. Spray some on a rag and wipe. Same thing I do with windshield registration and inspection stickers.

Goo point. I forgot that the rod wasn't plated in any way. If it was cheap chinesium plating I figured anything you put on there to take the tape off would take the plating off too.

I have seen a shifter knob clock that looked great, I'll try to find a photo.

"Time"  I had a very good friend and neighbor that would always be too busy for this and that saying; "Ain't got time" He passed a few years ago and at the funeral my other neighbor DOug, leaned over to me and in a whisper said; "Well Dave's got all that time now".   With that said, make the time today,  as you don't know what is planned for you.

@Stan Galat posted:

Good point, Bob. Also: I've got a watch on my wrist 24/7/365 unless I'm showering. YMMV.

Amen, Stan.

I have always worn a wrist watch, and still have the pocket watch my wife gave me when we were married - 53 years ago.  Maybe she thought I was never on time.

My current wrist watch is one I bought in Ireland before Covid, and has a good, solid leather band.  It actually has a dial, with numbers on it, and a second hand, and a date display.

I'm just an analogue type of guy, and proud of it.

@Bob: IM S6 posted:

It actually has a dial, with numbers on it, and a second hand, and a date display.

I'm just an analogue type of guy, and proud of it.

I’m a quartz analog watch guy. They’re deadly accurate, cheap, and rugged as anvils. Mechanical watches are cool, but way to precious and inaccurate for this guy. I beat in my boots, clothes, and watches.

I’ve got a Casio dive watch with a silicone band, an aviation-style 4-dial Citizen chronograph, a Citizen “dress watch” I wear almost never with a leather band and minimalist face, and a gold tone Seiko chronograph my wife gave me 30 years ago when we had nothing at all.

All of them have hands and a date window.

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@Stan Galat posted:

I’m a quartz analog watch guy. They’re deadly accurate, cheap, and rugged as anvils. Mechanical watches are cool, but way to precious and inaccurate for this guy. I beat in my boots, clothes, and watches.

I’ve got a Casio dive watch with a silicone band, an aviation-style 4-dial Citizen chronograph, a Citizen “dress watch” I wear almost never with a leather band and minimalist face, and a gold tone Seiko chronograph my wife gave me 30 years ago when we had nothing at all.

All of them have hands and a date window.

I had a thing for chronographs for a long time. A few Swatches (which were surprisingly accurate) my daily Seiko, and a fancy Seiko Sportiva designed by Guigario.  

They all sit in drawers now. My iPhone is easier to use if I need to know what time it is, or time my car vs mile markers to verify my speedo.

Sure!

It's sitting at upper dash height in my iPhone cradle/charger!

My son is a wrist watch fashionista.  Me?  I stopped wearing one when I retired, quite some time ago.  Even better than that, I gave back my work beeper!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bingo. And I can start/stop the chrono with a tap of the finger vs letting go of the steering wheel to reach across to my opposite wrist to push a button.

I understand the appeal of a good windshield or dash mount for a phone... but even though I drive a lot, I'm not in my truck more than 3 hrs a day on average. What about the other 21 hrs? Hauling a phone out of my pocket is nowhere near as easy as glancing at my wrist.

@dlearl476 posted:

Bingo. And I can start/stop the chrono with a tap of the finger vs letting go of the steering wheel to reach across to my opposite wrist to push a button.

You realize how “modern” (in the worst sense of the word) that sounds, right?

”Ugh. (heavy sigh) I have to move my eyes AND push a button?!”

I stopped wearing one when I retired, quite some time ago.  Even better than that, I gave back my work beeper!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no plans to retire in the near future, but I’ve had a pager or cell (which has required near-instantaneous response) pretty much continuously for the better part of 40 years.

When I do retire, I plan to take my cell phone and put it under the tire of the truck, back over it, pull over it, and back over it again just to be sure.

I'll still wear a watch, though. People who don't are almost always the same people who are late for everything, and being late is telling the world you think your time is more important than everybody else's.

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I like analogue clocks in analogue cars, and went back to wearing a watch every day about two years ago, after more than a decade of never wearing one because I have a phone with a clock on it.

Seiko 5 self-winding pilot watch with a day and date window. Yeah it loses about 5 minutes a month but that's close enough for what I do.

I'd still like to get a set of antique TSD rally timers for the cars, just cuz I like their looks.

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Do we really have to talk about watches?

This is forcing me to face some things I'd rather not discuss in public.

It may have corresponded with The Troubles of recent years, when I started spending more hours at a computer than at any other time in my life, but I've developed an addiction to watches. It started with mechanical watches, but it's spread to quartz, too.

At first I thought it was related to the same thing that was causing the Speedster affliction. Old, mechanical, anachronistic things that make no real sense anymore but that somehow represent a simpler time, when hand work and craftsmanship were required to improve a manufactured thing. When there was still room for artistry in how an everyday tool was designed. Before algorithms, focus groups, and marketing started making too many decisions for us.

Maybe it's none of that, maybe just a chemical imbalance somewhere, but for whatever the reason, I've been slowly collecting watches over the past few years to the point where I won't openly discuss just how many I have.

I have one of the Seiko 5's Ed mentioned. Well, OK, I have two of them, one of the originals and another from the new series they started releasing a few years ago. And a classic Seiko diver (now more classic since it was recently discontinued) and two more clones of that. And the whole clone thing (or homage thing to use the aficionado's term) is another manifestation of the disease that I won't get into here.

Neither will I bore you further with any more of my symptoms. But you should know that watches, like alcohol and Porsches, can become addictive in the hands of the weak.

I could point out that one of my minor annoyances is when classic car dudes plaster their dashes with the wrong type of stopwatch — track or sports timers instead of proper rallying clocks. But I won't go there. It would underline just how sad an obsession like this can be.

I guess I should be seeking some kind of twelve-step program.

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I guess I should be seeking some kind of twelve-step program.

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Not at all Mitch, not at all. I, and several others here completely understand. And even more so, can completely relate. It seems that almost every day I discover what I think is a new niche watch company only to discover that it's been in operation for nearly 100 years. (The every day part is an exaggeration but I find a new old company quite often and they make great watches)

I had to do a search to see if I was going to repeat myself with a story, since the watch thing comes up every so often.

I've liked watches since I was a boy. They've always seemed like the pinnacle of the mechanical age - tiny gears and delicate parts working together to keep accurate time by some miracle. I always had a watch with hands and a date window, even when digital watches were all the rage in the early 70s.

Fast forward to about 1992 or so. I was in my late 20s, Jeanie even younger. I was an apprentice steamfitter with 3 kids making about $600 a week. My wife did not work outside the home, and money was exceptionally tight. She had a household budget that was impossibly tiny in hindsight. The kids wore garage sale and hand-me-down clothes, and I wore mostly work uniforms which were provided as a "benefit of employment". We had to get a loan to buy a 5 year old car when 5 year old cars were pretty cheap.

Things were not going well in our marriage, and it was not entirely clear we were going to make it.

It was at this time that Jeanie gave me the gold-tone Seiko Chronograph, the back of which she had paid to be engraved with a personal note expressing her love and commitment. The watch (which was a couple hundred bucks) was well out of our reach, and the money should have been used for any one of a hundred more practical concerns.

I loved the gift and what it meant, even as the watch went out of style, even as I began to put 2 and 2 together and started climbing my way out of the hole I'd been digging for 10 years. We worked hard on understanding each other, and we began to heal.

I became proficient at my job and gathered a loyal client base. I started a business. We remodeled a home and then built a big one. The kids grew up and we sent them to college and paid for their weddings. I could have easily afforded a "better" watch. But at every big event - the ones that mattered - I wore the watch Jeanie gave me... mostly because it reminded me that my beautiful wife had loved me enough to sacrifice to buy me something very special when there was almost nothing in the tank.

I had that watch on my wrist at my kids' graduations and weddings and at my dad's funeral.

My kids gave me a Citizen Chronograph as a Christmas gift about 5 years ago. It's much more in keeping with my personal style and taste, and I wear it often. I really, really like it - a kind of working-man's Navitimer. The Seiko languished on a shelf for a few years. When I picked it up this summer, it wasn't running.

I figured it just needed a battery. I had it changed, but the watch still wouldn't run. I took it to a watch repair place, and they told me it needed a new movement, and that the movement was an obsolete part. At this point, most people would have walked away from it, which was what the watch repair place told me to do. Nobody spends time and money on a quartz watch

... but it's just not in my nature to walk away from something like this. Jeanie didn't completely understand my persistence with it. Her suggestion was to watch for the exact model to show up on eBay and just swap the backs out.

I couldn't do that, even if it made sense.

I'm really, really sentimental. I don't care a whit about market valuation or the history somebody else has with a thing (cars owned by a random celebrity or with some racing provenance do nothing special for me). What a thing means to me personally, the emotions it brings back, the good memories it calls to mind are what's important.

I think those things are priceless - literally beyond putting a price on. I'll pay whatever it costs in that situation. This watch was given to me by my wife when we had nothing at all, and it didn't look much like we were going to make it as a couple or family. She's still by my side and that watch was going to be back on my wrist, one way or another.

I knew @Robert M was a watch guy and he visited some forums. I went online and got enough information to get the movement number, and to find out that it was kind of an orphan - Seiko made a lot of watches with it, but it had only been in use for a couple of years before they moved on to something better (it was pretty complicated and prone to break). I contacted Robert and he (graciously) went on the hunt like a dog with a bone, looking for a movement for a quartz watch nobody cared about anymore.

He went to the watch boards and found that there was little to no talk about the watches with my movement (the last post was from 2015). He reached out directly to Seiko Customer Service and explained that this was a special piece and asked if they had any direction. He got no joy, but he turned over every rock. I'll never forget how he took on my quest.

We both decided independently (and at about the same time) that my best bet was to buy a working used watch with the same movement and have the watch repair place swap them out. I located and purchased a watch with the right movement on eBay, and had it shipped to me.

I took both watches to the repair shop and had the movements swapped. It worked and I had my watch back.

In 1992, God stepped into our badly fraying marriage and somehow knitted us back together into a seamless whole. That watch was a part of that. I'll be buried with that watch on my wrist.

It's worth a dozen Rolexes to me.

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Great story, Stan.

Seiko eventually developed a quartz chronograph movement that now pretty much dominates the industry. Most decent 'reasonably priced' chronographs, from Seiko and from a ton of 'microbrand' watches, use that movement.

Anything with a Swiss mechanical chronograph movement is close to $1K (or a lot more).

A curious story is how the Chinese government wanted to build mechanical chronographs for their own military back in the 1950s, so bought all of the tooling to make them from a leading Swiss manufacturer and moved the whole operation to China. They now make watches with the same movement for the public and these are the only mechanical chronographs currently available for anything like a 'reasonable' price. They have a pretty solid reputation for performance and reliability, too.

You can see how building something like this with Western labor might get a little pricey:

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Sorry, that should have been $2K (with a real Swiss Valjoux movement).

Another game being played is just what constitutes a 'Swiss made' watch (or a 'German' or 'French' watch. etc).

Swiss law lays out these definitions and they're not what the unsuspecting might suspect. A surprising amount of the parts and assembly may be sourced in places that are not Switzerland.

I have a 'German' Laco pilot's watch with a display back that proudly shows 'Made in Germany' on the rotor of its Miyota movement.

I guess it's a global village thing.

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@Stan Galat posted:

I'll still wear a watch, though. People who don't are almost always the same people who are late for everything, and being late is telling the world you think your time is more important than everybody else's.

When I was younger, no matter what I tried, I was generally always 0-5 minutes late. Don’t really know what happened but since I got sober in 1989, I’ve been late 3 times, and 1 wasn’t my fault. (I got stuck in that 3 hour traffic jam when governor blimpie shut down the on-ramp to GWB going into Manhattan.) I’m usually so early receptionists are asking me “you know your appt isn’t until 2 THIRTY, right?”

I too have a sentimental watch. The love of my life bought me a TAG Heuer Indy 500 chronograph back in 2004. I have a love/hate relationship with it. I love it to death but nobody will touch it. Every time the battery needs replacing I have to send it to TAG and they won’t just replace the battery. They basically restore it every time I send it in. Usually $300-$400 each time. Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve worn a watch since the last time it’s battery died. I don’t know what it is about it, the batteries in my Seikos last 10-12 years. This one lasts 3-4.

I know the feeling about watches too. I inherited my Grandfathers pocket watch and my Fathers wrist watch in my 40's. I kept them for years before I found a guy in Michigan that did watch repair on old watches. My Grandfather pocket watch was a Burlington Special. He was a police officer and it was the watch he could afford. Not in the caliber of a railroad watch, but it kept good time. The glass crystal was broken, the hands were missing and the case was scratched and dented. I send it to the guy in Michigan and for $225 he would fix it up. I got it back a month later, and it was like new!! To this day it keeps perfect time. I also had my Dad old Hamilton from the 40's. It was missing the band and did't run. I was sending it to the guy "Terry"to fix, when it slipped out of my shirt pocket and fell under my motorcycle. As I was moving the bike to find it, the tire ran over it and broke the case crushing the watch. I called Terry and told him what had happened and he said just send it and he would do what he could. A month later I go it back like new ! He had found another case, fixed the hands and replaced the face and crystal also attaching a new Hamilton leather band. Terry has continued to sell me watches up until a few year ago. He got so he couldn't see well enough to do the work and retired at 80. But those two watches I inherited got me started collecting fine time pieces from the late 1800's to many high end watches. It is a sickness. I also collect, high end knives, rare waking canes, pipes (though I don't smoke) and all forms of art from Native American to Hawaiian. Oh and then there's the whole car and motorcycle thing ............



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