Clutch

When I got this car in pieces ,I got it without a clutch ,I think I need a 200 mm clutch .When I checked on various websites the list a sprung or a rigid clutch disc and a presure plate with or without a collar So wich one do I need ????

Wait till you see what you have but I would recommend the sprung clutch you'll be much happier with it.

Pete - I may have posted this before, but I really dig that 'old school' look of the satin finish black on that coupe! More power to you!!

Thats the problem Iam missing the old clutch parts thanks crazy Pete

Your first problem is to identify the tranny .. Is it a course spline or fine spline input shaft . Second ,,Is the flywheel 6 volt or a 12 volt flywheel give us a tooth count first..

Their are 3 possible pressure plates which is the one you have? discribe the finger s that hold the throwout bearing mating surface.

Here is what I got again ,I got this thing in pieces .NO CLUTCH PARTS so what do I order?

You have a tranny with an early style throw-out bearing - your VW engine has a 200 mm flywheel(doesn't matter about 6 or 12 volt in this case - assuming motor was matched up to this tranny at one time - if not need to know if tranny is 6 or 12 volt case). So order a 200mm clutch disc / and a 200mm pressure plate (spring or diaphram - what ever you decide)for a early style throw-out bearing. If you want I can get you some part numbers - let me know.

John

I would also replace the old clutch fork with one of the new reinforced ones ..

The older ones tend to break lose from the shaft and wreck a pressure plate.

That one looks original. You better check it closely for cracks around the shaft. You can weld on reinforcements on a old one repair any cracks and it will hold up fine. Don't even have to take it off. just clean the metal good so it will spot weld..

I have done that with excellent results on a few.. I'd call CB.P and tell them what your needs are now and I think you should explain how you intend to drive the car. If your a agressive driver, your going to want a little higher race grade clutch and pressure plate. that can take abuse.

Oh! Pete You can check the starter bushing hole size . Correct me guys If I'm wrong 10 mm bushing hole is a 12 volt tranny and a 13 mm hole makes it a 6 volt tranny..

With all that engine compartment space avaialable---are you going to cut a fresh air access in the fwd firewall?

As John said, given that you have a dual port engine and it looks like you have a swing axle trans, you no doubt have a six volt starter bushing and early style clutch throw out arm. A close-up shot of the throw out bearing area would help a great deal to determine if it might need replacing.

You're going to have to mix and match a few of the parts to get a complete set-up but it isn't hard, just shoot some close up clear shots of what you already have. There's a set list of parts and grinding procedures to convert an early trans to accept the later flywheel, clutch, starter (or semi-auto starter) and such, just post the pics and anyone of us can walk you through the "how-to" ! !

Was the engine in the car when you got it? Did it come with the car or did you have it already/buy it separately? Just wondering because of the flywheel attached to it. It looks like a 12 volt wheel, but a measurement or tooth count will tell the tale.

Luck,

TC

I don't think Envemo built any 6 volt cars, ever. I would expect the transmission to use a 12 v starter as is and would also expect the 200mm clutch flywheel and pressure plate to fit just fine. Not knowing the engine size or how someone plans to drive, it is difficult to recommend a pressure plate or a clutch, for sure.

With that said, I have been living with a Kennedy Stage II with a solid disk clutch for 30,000 miles. The next time the engine comes out I am going back to a spring clutch and no more than a Stage I pressure plate. Just running around on the street, even with a big engine, I don't really need the inconvenience of the higher performace stuff.....a stage II or III in heavy traffic with a solid disk clutch plate ceases to be enjoyable in about 30 seconds....and after an hour you want to hurt somebody, seriously,,,,

Only 3 years of the swing axle trannies came 12 volt 67 68 69 the earlyer ones have to be grinded to allow the flywheel to clear, but that's a can do . Yes to the Autostick starter. but don't forget the new mini reduction drive starters are pretty good to. I'd say order your parts for a 68 beetle and you should be fine .

Jim is right too. A full race clutch plate will wear you out on a trip a near stock pressure plate is adviseable But the multi fingered ones offer smoother ingagements Like the B&M old Zoom clutches had. a spring clutch disc is also a good pick but get a higher grade than stock

Cb or even scat can help with the choise. I have to decline suggesting empi. they are Ok!! but just not up to my spec's

Also you need to check, the input spline on the tranny You need to tell them if you have the course or fine splne a tooth count on that will clear the air quickly as to which clutch disc will fit.

Merry Christmas

Pete,

I looked closer at your picture's - there is no doubt that you have a 12volt tranny case - why? The tranny case is a late model - note the center hub where the mainshaft seal is - it has the three bolt flange used on later tranny cases - no question since I build and rebuild tranny's. One other thing - there is no difference in early and late model input/mainshafts as far as number of splines, so no issue on clutch disc except what type you what to buy (solid or spring type hub). Let me know if you need any other information.

John

Pete,

Again I looked at your picture of the tranny - the best I can make out is that the throw-out bearing lever is the early style. I listed parts needed with part numbers from CB Performance below. If you could get a better picture (close-up) of the throw-out bearing lever to verify it is a early style, then the parts below will work.

Clutch 200 mm (Diaphragm Style)

1311 Kennedey 1700 lb - for aggressive driving $96.95
1323 Porsche Style - Normal driving $61.95

Clutch Disc 200 mm

1331 Spring Center $22.95
1339 Solid Center (Budget) $31.95
1359 Solid Center Super Disc $59.95

Throw-out Bearing (Early Style)

1342 German $29.95
4533 Clips (Spring Type) $2.49

Any questions - let me know,
John

Might be a good idea to upgrade to the HD clutch fork while you're in there. ~Alan

Hey Pete,

Did you resolve your clutch issues? Haven't heard from you since 12-18 - you didn't give up did you?

John