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I know this topic has come up before, but the thread I saw was pretty old. I started having shifting issue yesterday morning and when I started going through the possible causes, I noticed that my CNC hydraulic slave was leaking. It's only 19 years old, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. I don't know what model of CNC slave it is (CNC 300-B ?), but I'm sure it was what Larry Jowdy recommended back in 2004 on the spyder club. The piston measures 7/8" and I assume the travel was slightly over an inch (probably 1-1/8' to 1-3/8").

The CNC rebuild kits aren't available since the company went out of business years ago. I though perhaps I could just get some AFLAS o'rings and fix it if I was lucky. When I took it apart the area where the spring sits was all sludged up with a lot of black gunk. As I cleaned it up more, I noticed the inside bore was eaten up/pitted and no longer smooth. My brake fluid looks clean, so I'm not sure where all the black gunk came from. With the volume of gunk, I don't think it could have been the seals as there was some wear but not as much as I thought there would be.

What do people recommend for a replacement?

When I search for a replacement I find EMPI, Wilwood, Jamar, and a few others like Racing Automotive Group.

Thanks,

Ed G.

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@EdG posted:

When I search for a replacement I find EMPI, Wilwood, Jamar, and a few others like Racing Automotive Group.

Thanks,

Ed G.



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I think you can go with any of them.  It wouldn't surprise me if several (if not all) come from the same source.

Because you have a "slave saver" you got the 19 years without breaking a slave shaft (or 2, or 3).  So keep the slave saver attached to the side of the trans, and reuse the rod eye (heim) from the old slave onto the new slave (the rods on each end of the slave unscrew and screw-in, and are interchangeable between old/new slaves).

As far as black gunk, I'd say it is normal, especially after 19 years.  My personal unscientific conspiracy is it is accumulated aluminum dust worn from the bores of master and slave cylinders.

From now on, bleed the clutch hydraulics every year to purge the suspended crud out of the system before it settles and starts clogging things

19 years:  You got your money's worth!

Not the best photo, but it definitely shows the damage in the slave cylinder. All the damage was on the bottom of the cylinder as it was on the positioned on the car. With brake fluid being hygroscopic I would think the damage would not be focused on the bottom. Perhaps it settles to the bottom during the 6 months of storage during the long winter in NH every year.

Kind of interesting though.

Ed G

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Thanks Carey. That's good to know about EMPI slave cylinders.

I read comments about Wilwood failing a lot and some comments said that Wilwood changed the end that the heim is on and it fixed the failure problem. So instead of the piston end connecting to the clutch arm, they had the piston end connected to the heim and the body of the slave cyl pull the clutch arm. Hopefully my description makes some sense. I wouldn't think it would make any difference, but sometimes I am surprised at the results of minor changes like that. The picture below is exactly opposite of how mine was setup.

Wilwood Clutch Slave Cylinder - Pull Type

Mine is opposite the photo as well. There is usually a clearance problem with the VW clutch arm. Plenty of room for the VW cable, but the 5/16" rod from the slave can BIND on the clutch arm, this puts a side load on the slave which wears it out. This happens even if there is a heim joint on the other end.

I clearance the clutch arm by wiggling a 5/16" drill bit around in there. And make sure to use the rounded spacer-washer on the clutch arm side.

You may notice that the piston side of the slave has a thinner area between the bellows and the threads. It is important to have the thinner portion in the clutch arm hole for the aforementioned clearance.

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