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I had an idea....why don't the manufacturers create an actual area behind the back wheel for the oil cooler and have it suck air out of the engine compartment at the same time?? It seems as though most of the speedsters out there have an external oil cooler or will one day need one so why not just start out with one. And since they would be putting it in while building the car they could create a better location that tucks it up under a little bit more and then have a hole in that area so that when the fan is sucking air through the cooler it is also creating a suction for the engine compartment. My only thinking as to why they don't do this is that it wouldn't move that much air compared to the doghouse fan and may not really be significant enough of an improvement. But just for the sake of astetics if I was building a new car I would pay the extra to incorporate it into the innner wheel well a little more. Ideally you could even design it to be removable without even removing the tire. What do you guys think? And on a related subject why not make the air inlet hole for the main fan at the time when your building the car??? Maybe there are some cars running cool enough not to need it???? But it seems to me most of us do run these things.

Also I checked the diameter on the 356 pulley and it is roughly 3.75 inches. My VW pulley is 4.0 inches. OK that is only about 6 percent increase in speed? My question is if you increase the speed 6 percent, but never go over 5000 rpm you are still effectively turning the fan as if you were at 5300 rpm. Your still under red line so why all the worry about putting on a welded and balance fan???? Am I missing something? And what is the actual change in the air flow from the fan by increasing the speed 6 percent?? Somebody know how to calculate that?
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I had an idea....why don't the manufacturers create an actual area behind the back wheel for the oil cooler and have it suck air out of the engine compartment at the same time?? It seems as though most of the speedsters out there have an external oil cooler or will one day need one so why not just start out with one. And since they would be putting it in while building the car they could create a better location that tucks it up under a little bit more and then have a hole in that area so that when the fan is sucking air through the cooler it is also creating a suction for the engine compartment. My only thinking as to why they don't do this is that it wouldn't move that much air compared to the doghouse fan and may not really be significant enough of an improvement. But just for the sake of astetics if I was building a new car I would pay the extra to incorporate it into the innner wheel well a little more. Ideally you could even design it to be removable without even removing the tire. What do you guys think? And on a related subject why not make the air inlet hole for the main fan at the time when your building the car??? Maybe there are some cars running cool enough not to need it???? But it seems to me most of us do run these things.

Also I checked the diameter on the 356 pulley and it is roughly 3.75 inches. My VW pulley is 4.0 inches. OK that is only about 6 percent increase in speed? My question is if you increase the speed 6 percent, but never go over 5000 rpm you are still effectively turning the fan as if you were at 5300 rpm. Your still under red line so why all the worry about putting on a welded and balance fan???? Am I missing something? And what is the actual change in the air flow from the fan by increasing the speed 6 percent?? Somebody know how to calculate that?
The 356 pulley increases fan drive from 1.58:1 to 1.91:1- thats a huge change. That takes a 6K rev engine from a fan speed of 9500 RPM to a drive of 11500 roughly! The unweded fan is not good above 10K revs before it can explode.

The reason the higher drive ratio works better is because of increased pressure differentials in the upper plenum of the cooling system. When I changed from the stock drive to the 1.91 drive the pressure measured in the shroud went from 7 PSi to 9.5PSI. Adding pressure to the charge side of the shroud makes the inefficiencies of the shroud and its vanes and makes them not matter as much, the higher pressure air finds its way to the hottest portions of the engine much easier and temps drop..

Adding ratio PULLS MORE HP and is basically a band aid for the symptoms- not a cure for the illness. Their is no substitute for a correcyly designed shroud with the correect airfoils to direct the air without needing as much charge pressure.

Right now I'm working to get my DTM to the point where we can use a slower fan speed and still cool BETTER than stock! Its all in the Eipper series airfoils and their positioning.. Lower drive ratios pull less power and don't blow fans apart as easily.
I'm asking for the sake of just wondering. I'm running cool enough now that I made the upgrades I was just wondering about the pulley because I never did it, but will if I ever start to run to hot again.

On the same subject what should the heads be running for temperature on a 2007cc engine? Mine are running 280 and from what I gather this is ok, but I'm wondering how hot is too hot.....when do you need to start worrying?
When do you need the extra cooling from an external cooler? Is it when you're at highway speeds? So, let's say that your doghouse cooler works in most situations, but the temperature gauge goes higher than you'd like on those hot, highway drives. If that is the case, then wouldn't a small cooler mounted in front, below the bumper be the best solution? It probably wouldn't even need a fan. I know, the lines would be long, but so what, they wouldn't be THAT long.
Ron (the speedsterless one)
I run at good temperatures now.....I think? But I'm just thinking ahead if I do need more cooling I will need to do the pulley upgrade, because I already did everything else. I'm running on highway trips after 20 minutes 280f on the heads and 210 on the oil temperature. I have notices that the outside air temperature doesn't seem to effect anything. I have driven at 90f and its only 5f more then at 45f. Maybe this is good??

I was just thinking about how nice it would have been to have the cooler location behind the tire be able to tuck up and in a little more. Just 2" and you wouldn't be able to see it at all. I am going to order the welded and balanced fan and put it on at the end of summer just to get it ready for a big trip in the spring. I don't want to do it until then because I'm having too much fun. I may even consider selling the car this fall in order to order a brand new one with a lot more HP. I agree with george on the subject of HP you can't really over power a tube frame car. JMHO. More is better.
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