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Hello to all,

I installed LED's in my newly installed gauges and they work and look great. I did NOT install any LED's on any of my turn-signal indicators, they are still incandescent bulbs. I did not install any special LED relay because the LED's that I installed are not on the turn-signals circuit (although they may be using the same B+ line).

The problem that I see happening is that when I turn on the Turn-signals, all of the back panel LED's dim to the pulse of the tun-signal.  Suggestions on what may be causing this and how to fix. Please advise.....Thanks!

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Eric is right.

FYI, I installed LED turn/stop bulbs, and bought a LED-specific turn signal flasher(these do not require the resistance load to trigger the flash). My dash lights are steady as you go. These flasher relays are available in different configurations(2 or 3 pin). I think mine was 6 bucks, 2 prong by Audew on Amazon.

I had the same issues, I wanted to change all my bulbs in the dash to a 2 W bulb , incandescent , to be able to dim them and I tried getting under the dash.  
I was so contorted I was getting trapped and bent out of shape nearly permanently stuck I gave up and after much effort I crawled out.    
Have yet to get the courage to get back in there but I might fit better now

@IaM-Ray posted:

I had the same issues, I wanted to change all my bulbs in the dash to a 2 W bulb , incandescent , to be able to dim them and I tried getting under the dash.  
I was so contorted I was getting trapped and bent out of shape nearly permanently stuck I gave up and after much effort I crawled out.    
Have yet to get the courage to get back in there but I might fit better now

I remove the seats to get under a dash then use an old blanket on the speedster floor...but I'm only 5' 7" & 185 lbs. If the assembler left enough wire you might be able to reach up under the dash and remove the thumb nuts that secure the gauge and maybe,  be able to pull the gauge out of the dash enough to access the bulbs " Your milage may vary"

Last edited by Alan Merklin

You've got me beat.  I'm only 5' 6-1/2" and a measly 150 lbs.*(see note)

Getting in under the dash, even with the seats still in, is still relatively easy and if I could just stay under there, that would be easy, too.

It's that draggin' my butt back out to a more-or-less upright position that's hard, especially after the third time in a couple of minutes.  

I left a bit of slack in all of the wires going to the gauges, but that creates a whole 'nuther problem.  Like what to do with all that extra wire, usually around a foot extra, so you wrap it up and tie it off somewhere "out of the way".  You end up with a rat's nest, no matter what, although it may be a "professional" rat's nest.

* I gave up alcohol to see if that would improve my sleep habits at night (It did) and found that I lost about 8-10 pounds in a month or two.  I'm now back to looking like I did back in my 30's - like this, when I placed third in my very first bicycle race (That's me on the right, for you'se newbies whom I've not yet met).  Sometime in 1983.

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It is technically possible to do some wiring work behind the dash while still seated in the driver's seat, but it takes a steady hand, conviction, and an iron will. Well, OK, maybe a copper will.

If you scope things out first with a well-placed mirror (and some good lighting underneath), sometimes you can feel around and pull a lead or a bulb socket from the rear of a gauge without actually having to be looking at it while you do. That's some of the time and some of the wires, if you are lucky and have led a clean, relatively virtuous life.

I did the majority of my grappling with gauge wiring back in the early days, when my Speedster and headlight switch were still new. I gradually discovered that the main reason for that first switch going up in smoke was that six five-watt bulbs had been used for gauge lighting (instead of one- or two-watt bulbs). This was way more than the dimmer coil in the switch could handle, so much smoke and darkness ensued.

After pulling one bulb and reading its rating, I just put it back and built a little dimming circuit out of ceramic load resistors and bypassed the dimming circuit on the (replacement) headlight switch altogether. I thought that easier than trying to reach and replace six separate bulbs, to say nothing of finding six bulbs of the proper wattage in the correct size.

Admittedly, this was done upside down, legs in the air, akimbo, without a clear plan for egress. I still had a lot to learn about under dash wiring technique on these cars, although, at the time, my active cycling days were not as far behind me as they are today. You'll notice a correlation here between a willingness to take on such tasks and those with a personal history of aerobic training and a steely resolve not to be defeated by circumstance.

Still, I look upon removing the seats to do wiring as something of a concession to the dark forces of the universe that inevitably overtake all of us and I will not go quietly without a struggle into my dark garage.

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I find that even today I can get under the dash and get to things. I'm 5'9" and 200 plus(I did used to be almost as skinny as Gordon, alas) so it takes some planning. I too have dropped 15 pounds from consuming less, still getting to where I want to be. 180-190 would be great.

Putting a folded comforter on the seats or just take them out to get a few extra inches of room. Removing is fairly easy: 3 bolts each and two plugs for each seat(heater elements). Either way, the comforter is key to your, well, comfort.

I don't know about a Speedster, but in a Spyder you lay down in the seat area opposite where you want to work. In other words, your butt goes on the passenger side and you lay your head to the driver side to get under the gauges.

It's REALLY nice to have a helper hand you things that you inevitably need, forget, or couldn't foresee needing.

Last edited by DannyP

Hah!  I hear y'all talking about your "rat's nests" behind your dashes and have to laugh.  At Carlisle I will give free tours under the dash in the Coupe.  It's not a rat's nest as it is well done, but it is certainly an example of 10 lbs of sh..., er, stuff in a 5 lb bag.  Let's see: normal gauges, switches, wiper motor and associated wiring; blue tooth stereo with associated wiring including extra speaker connections and USB ports; HVAC switches, wiring, and ducting; a genuine glove box; and probably the Oak Island treasure hidden somewhere in there.

Lord help me if I ever need to fix something in there.

Last edited by Lane Anderson

The "Oak Island Treasure" quick call Rick or Marty!.....they can at least make 20 episodes on that!...ha, ha, ha.....

That made me laugh. When you said that I could hear the annoying narrator saying, "A rat's nest of wires under the dash? Could this be related to the rat's nest found by metal detection expert Gary Drayton on Lot 4? Is this the clue that proves the Templars were here and there's a vast treasure buried deep in the fabled Money Pit?"

All kidding aside I really do hope they find a treasure.

@Robert M posted:

That made me laugh. When you said that I could hear the annoying narrator saying, "A rat's nest of wires under the dash? Could this be related to the rat's nest found by metal detection expert Gary Drayton on Lot 4? Is this the clue that proves the Templars were here and there's a vast treasure buried deep in the fabled Money Pit?"

All kidding aside I really do hope they find a treasure.

Robert....you got that one dead on....when I read your comment I laughed out loud. I have been following them for 8 years now. My wife makes fun of me watching it after every episodes and says "well did they find gold?" ..... I think that they will find something but when is the question. You got to ask yourself what were people doing so many years ago tunneling at >100 ft.? It has been getting a little slow lately .....we shall see......

Never watched an episode.

However, we all lived through the "brass thingie" incident. Then it was the "overtightened jet holder and busted off in the carb at Carlisle" incident. Then recently, it was the "busted rubber bushing" incident.

Please don't introduce us to the "copper wiring" incident. If you do, the Beck Boys JUST MIGHT disown you...

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