Any suggestions for a dead pedal, my left foot is starting to put a wear mark on the carpet?
Thanks for the help, Pat
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Any suggestions for a dead pedal, my left foot is starting to put a wear mark on the carpet?
Thanks for the help, Pat
Thanks for the help, Pat
Pat,
Not enough information to assist you.
Example:
Can you shift gears?
Do you have a Clutch Cable or Hydraulic Slave Cylinger?
With more specific information I'm soure you can obtain a answer to your problem.
Jack
Not enough information to assist you.
Example:
Can you shift gears?
Do you have a Clutch Cable or Hydraulic Slave Cylinger?
With more specific information I'm soure you can obtain a answer to your problem.
Jack
I think he's thinking more along these lines...
http://www.performanceproducts.com/productpage.aspx?pid=101795&name=Custom%20Footrest&part=156357
http://www.performanceproducts.com/productpage.aspx?pid=101795&name=Custom%20Footrest&part=156357
Pat.
Like this? It's mounted to the frame and sure gives the foot a place to rest on trips.
Like this? It's mounted to the frame and sure gives the foot a place to rest on trips.
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Ted & Jim,
That's exactly what I'm looking for. Jim where did you get yours, did they make them in all black? Ted it says for a 911/912, any idea if it'll fit the 356? I'm sure I could figure something out either way. Thanks guys for the help!
Pat
That's exactly what I'm looking for. Jim where did you get yours, did they make them in all black? Ted it says for a 911/912, any idea if it'll fit the 356? I'm sure I could figure something out either way. Thanks guys for the help!
Pat
Pat. It's a copy of what George Brown had in his IM. Henry fabricated that one afternoon while I was visiting IM last March. After measuring it for fit while I was there, he cut it out of stock, fabricated some mounts and tacked them on, then cleaned it up and polished it out. He also mounted the dimmer switch on the top (check the pic).
For a dead pedal on a Pan Based Car, some of you may want to contact Eddie Janis (Look at his Pic Files). He has a simple, good looking, and effective solution on his VS.
For a dead pedal on a Pan Based Car, some of you may want to contact Eddie Janis (Look at his Pic Files). He has a simple, good looking, and effective solution on his VS.
The only thing to keep in mind with a dead pedal is to make sure there is enough room for your widest shoes so they don't get hung up while operating the clutch.
Another nice design thought is to make the edge next to the clutch not be an edge, but a shoulder, so you are not constantly catching the welt of the left side of your left shoe under it.
Missed shifts are more expensive than repairing carpet.
Another nice design thought is to make the edge next to the clutch not be an edge, but a shoulder, so you are not constantly catching the welt of the left side of your left shoe under it.
Missed shifts are more expensive than repairing carpet.
Bill, that is great advice. Could you expound a bit on "shoulder". I guess you left Jim speechless! Hard to do.
Pat,
I refer to a "Dead Pedal" with another terminology.
I have one in my car and I simply fabricated it out of Stainless Steel.
No big deal. Easty to install & remove.
good Luck,
Jack
I refer to a "Dead Pedal" with another terminology.
I have one in my car and I simply fabricated it out of Stainless Steel.
No big deal. Easty to install & remove.
good Luck,
Jack
Yes, I'm speechless. Have a Hap-Hap-Happy Holiday.
Dale/Jim,
I guess what I was getting at with the shoulder on the dead pedal is to have the side of the dead pedal that is next to the clutch pedal, not be a flat edge, but roll off and have a side to it that extends down from the pedal surface at least past where your left shoe stops when you have depressed the clutch all the way. It is probably easiest to make this shoulder go all the way to the floor and just make it part of the support for the dead pedal.
This "shoulder" prevents the welt of your shoe from catching on the underside edge of the dead pedal when you are letting the clutch out. Little things like that will make a big difference in how happy you are with your dead pedal, especially when you start to drive a little hard.
I guess what I was getting at with the shoulder on the dead pedal is to have the side of the dead pedal that is next to the clutch pedal, not be a flat edge, but roll off and have a side to it that extends down from the pedal surface at least past where your left shoe stops when you have depressed the clutch all the way. It is probably easiest to make this shoulder go all the way to the floor and just make it part of the support for the dead pedal.
This "shoulder" prevents the welt of your shoe from catching on the underside edge of the dead pedal when you are letting the clutch out. Little things like that will make a big difference in how happy you are with your dead pedal, especially when you start to drive a little hard.
Jim, I just figured you'd posted something naughty and in the grey light of morning decided it was not PG-13 worthy.
Actually my obeservations were driven from my Formula Ford days, pun intended. My feet are pretty wide. Even with driving shoes that had almost no sole sticking out, I still would catch my sole once in a while. One day a friend brought a piece of aluminum over and riveted it my dead pedal and eliminated the ability for my sole to catch on the underside of my pedal, problem solved. I promptly beat him the next weekend.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, you certainly deserve it.
Actually my obeservations were driven from my Formula Ford days, pun intended. My feet are pretty wide. Even with driving shoes that had almost no sole sticking out, I still would catch my sole once in a while. One day a friend brought a piece of aluminum over and riveted it my dead pedal and eliminated the ability for my sole to catch on the underside of my pedal, problem solved. I promptly beat him the next weekend.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, you certainly deserve it.
Bill
I woke up at 2 am this morning to let our wiener dog out to find a tree in the snow while I flipped through the SoC. I started with a reply... yawned, let the dog in, and came back to the post. My speechless state was more of a sleepy state and so I left it blank. The follow up post was a lame attempt at being witty.
Your suggestions are right on the mark, from my limited perspective (no racing experience, etc.). My "Dead Pedal" is not so much a dead pedal as it is a comfort item for a guy with long legs. For me, the foot movement between the Clutch Pedal and the Dead Pedal (on my set up) is easy, without problems of catching the shoe, etc. But, my pedal was made and fitted on the spot, so what works for me, may not be the right thing for another driver. In fact I know that at least one driver at Knotts (Eddie) had trouble with catching his shoe on my Dead Pedal and had to adjust where he placed his foot on the clutch to compensate. Even with a larger footwell area on an IM, there is limited space for a full dead pedal.
My inspiration for the "need" came from driving my VS (with the limited footwell on a pan based Speedster) from OKC-LA-OKC and other trips. With my long legs I found the traditional foot rest spot on the edge of the pan by the heat outlet to be too short (even with my speedster seats mounted flat on the rails). The alternative spot after an hour on the road was to lodge my foot on the pan beside the clutch pedal and risk catching my foot on the pedal edge in emergency situations. When the IM was built, foot comfort was as high of a priority for me, as was seat angle and placement. I think the solution works for me, after 9,000 miles, but for another driver my set up might prove to have the issues you pointed out.
From looking at cars with true (auto-cross or track cars) dead pedals I can see exactly what you are commenting on and suggesting to others considering one. The shoulder area, pedal height, distance and other factors are things to be considered. You have hands on experience driving high performance cars at the edge and I respect that and the knowledge you gained in the process. Also, I know that you think about efficiency in design and performance more than the average bear(from reading your interesting EFI Posts) when you add to or modify your cars, Bill. So, my blank post was also a reaction of starting a post and then thinking later (after the dog had whizzed). I'm almost always amazed at the thought you put into your posts (and your projects) and so, yes I was speechless.
I'm happy with my set up, but I'm using it for different purposes than a true Dead Pedal. But even at my level of use, I would probably go with the shoulder, as you and Dale suggest.
Occasionally Speechless and Sleepless in Edmond.
Jim
Narrow, but Long Feet.
I woke up at 2 am this morning to let our wiener dog out to find a tree in the snow while I flipped through the SoC. I started with a reply... yawned, let the dog in, and came back to the post. My speechless state was more of a sleepy state and so I left it blank. The follow up post was a lame attempt at being witty.
Your suggestions are right on the mark, from my limited perspective (no racing experience, etc.). My "Dead Pedal" is not so much a dead pedal as it is a comfort item for a guy with long legs. For me, the foot movement between the Clutch Pedal and the Dead Pedal (on my set up) is easy, without problems of catching the shoe, etc. But, my pedal was made and fitted on the spot, so what works for me, may not be the right thing for another driver. In fact I know that at least one driver at Knotts (Eddie) had trouble with catching his shoe on my Dead Pedal and had to adjust where he placed his foot on the clutch to compensate. Even with a larger footwell area on an IM, there is limited space for a full dead pedal.
My inspiration for the "need" came from driving my VS (with the limited footwell on a pan based Speedster) from OKC-LA-OKC and other trips. With my long legs I found the traditional foot rest spot on the edge of the pan by the heat outlet to be too short (even with my speedster seats mounted flat on the rails). The alternative spot after an hour on the road was to lodge my foot on the pan beside the clutch pedal and risk catching my foot on the pedal edge in emergency situations. When the IM was built, foot comfort was as high of a priority for me, as was seat angle and placement. I think the solution works for me, after 9,000 miles, but for another driver my set up might prove to have the issues you pointed out.
From looking at cars with true (auto-cross or track cars) dead pedals I can see exactly what you are commenting on and suggesting to others considering one. The shoulder area, pedal height, distance and other factors are things to be considered. You have hands on experience driving high performance cars at the edge and I respect that and the knowledge you gained in the process. Also, I know that you think about efficiency in design and performance more than the average bear(from reading your interesting EFI Posts) when you add to or modify your cars, Bill. So, my blank post was also a reaction of starting a post and then thinking later (after the dog had whizzed). I'm almost always amazed at the thought you put into your posts (and your projects) and so, yes I was speechless.
I'm happy with my set up, but I'm using it for different purposes than a true Dead Pedal. But even at my level of use, I would probably go with the shoulder, as you and Dale suggest.
Occasionally Speechless and Sleepless in Edmond.
Jim
Narrow, but Long Feet.
It was catty, but not naughty my friend.
Merry Christmas to you too, and to your family Bill.
Merry Christmas to you too, and to your family Bill.
Thanks for the answers, I never thought it would go this far, but Bill you bring up a valid point about the clearance between the clutch pedal and the dead pedal. Jim I too have found the most comfortable position is to lodge my foot between the firewall and the clutch pedal. Emergency situations would be interesting. The Beck much like the IM has plenty of room up front to position the dead pedal with it's added room. Alan M. emailed me a suggestion and I'll take a whack at it this week or so if I get a break. Thanks again for the help guys!
Pat
Pat
If my car were a manual, I wouldn't have put my dead pedal in the same location. It would create a very tight clearance.