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This message is to warn fellow members about DRD Racing Heads of Santa Ana, CA.  

 

I contacted them in April this year, ordered an engine and made a bank transfer to them for 50% of the cost for a 2276cc engine.  I spoke to DRD on the phone several times, they seemed like straight ahead people, and I repeatedly informed them that I needed the engine at the start of September 2012 and that I needed it crated and shipped to my address in Sarasota, FL.

 

The guy I spoke to at DRD (name of Darren) repeatedly assured me that shipping would be as I requested and that my engine would be on their build schedule and delivered as I had requested.

 

In mid-October 2012, after repeated email messages and several phone calls, and then finally escalating to a more stridently worded email message, DRD finally tells me that my engine will be shipped.

 

However, the engine was not shipped until this past week (week of 10/29) and when I called the shipping company, I was told that it was on the way, and it would be delivered by a Tampa, FL shipping agent of theirs.

 

I get a phone call this past Tuesday (11/6/2012) telling me to "come pick up my crate, and I said no thanks, I paid for delivery to Sarasota.  The guy on the phone says "no, the invoice I'm holding clearly states to hold for pickup".  Then he says, "ok, we will deliver it on Friday 11/9/2012".  So I wait all day for the delivery, and then I call the Tampa, FL agent back several times asking where their truck is.  Each time, they tell me "the truck is no more than an hour away".

 

So at the end of the day, I start calling around to find out why there is no truck, no crate and no delivery.  I finally call Stevens Global Transport in California, and they tell me that DRD has told them "no, the crate must be held in Tampa for customer pickup".

 

The crate weighs approximately 325 pounds or so, and oh yeah, Tampa is 120 miles away from where I live.   So I attempt to call DRD Racing Heads and ask why the hell they are doing this.  Their phone is busy all afternoon, but magically, Stevens Global Transport was able to contact them and are told to hold the crate ?

 

The bottom line here is that DRD Racing Heads were over 60 days late in shipping my engine, and now I find that they think it is funny to force me to drive to Tampa and pickup the crate.

 

So anyone reading this message should be able to determine that;

 

1)  I paid DRD Racing Heads via bank transfers, and paid them every time they required payment.

2)  I asked DRD Racing Heads for a shipping quote to Sarasota, and they told me $325, which I also paid via bank transfer.  There was never any doubt about where the delivery was to be made.

3)  Even during the 60 day late engine delivery time frame, they continued to produce other engines for other customers, which they admitted to ?

4)  Their attitude towards questions, was to put it mildly, of irritation.  Their customer service demeanor frankly sucks.

 

As a fellow club member, and to anyone who plans to build their own Speedster kit, I can only offer you my warnings about this company.  As you can tell from my narrative, I am disgusted by how I have been treated.

 

I have dealt with other California VW engine builders in the past, and now I wish I had gone back to one of them instead of DRD Racing Heads.

 

Terry Lipford

Vintage Speedster Wide-Body

Sarasota, FL

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Terry, didn't I read a similar thread of yours on Samba?  It was part of the reason I didn't purchase my new heads from DRD.

What was once a great/honest company to deal with is no more.

I recently ordered my new heads from Gregg Timms.  If I hadn't ordered from Gregg I would have ordered from Mofocco.

DRD still has its zealots, but that number will diminish has DRD lets more and more customers down.

Terry's post clearly shows the value of the SOC site --his report about DRD Company may save others the grief and upset he went through.

 

It also shows the need to check references before spending money.  Posting a simple request for recent experiences by others is an easy, smart thing to do.  esides that you can google DRD Racing Heads and see that the reports are very mixed with both happy customers and some horror stories.

 

I hope Terry's engine turns out to be what he paid for.

 

 

Last edited by Jack Crosby

Terry, it would be interesting if you got a 'reverse destination' quote from Stevens Global for a similar weight and bulk item picked up in Sarasota and delivered to Orange County California??

 

My gut tells me that DRD gave you a 'ball park' shipping price based on previous experience,... but there simply wasn't enough 'padding' in that quote to cover the uncalculated time and distance between the Tampa terminal and the Sarasota destination...so instead of honoring their committment they left you hanging.

 

After all, they already had your money and realized that you'd never do business with them again...So what?...Right?

Nope, not me.  I waited patiently for DRD to come through in an honest & straight forward manner, only to find out that I was incorrect in assuming they were good people.
 
Originally Posted by Ron O:

Terry, didn't I read a similar thread of yours on Samba?  It was part of the reason I didn't purchase my new heads from DRD.

What was once a great/honest company to deal with is no more.

I recently ordered my new heads from Gregg Timms.  If I hadn't ordered from Gregg I would have ordered from Mofocco.

DRD still has its zealots, but that number will diminish has DRD lets more and more customers down.

I have to roll my truck up to Tampa on Monday (nothing open on the weekend) and pick it up.  To tell you the truth, I am a bit concerned about toting the crate weight, but I guess I will have to find a way to deal with it.
 
Stay tuned for how the engine turns out.....
 
 
Originally Posted by MangoSmoothie.ca:

not to diminish your issues, but aside from the shipping mixup (and communication) and delay - how is the actual product?  do you have it running?  are you happy with it?

 

But a simple phone call, or an email message to me, would have solved that issue.  They knew that I was good for the money, and they knew I wanted it delivered to Sarasota, so the fact that they didn't do the right thing and contact me means that they just didn't give a damn about the end result.
 
 
Originally Posted by carlberry:

Terry, it would be interesting if you got a 'reverse destination' quote from Stevens Global for a similar weight and bulk item picked up in Sarasota and delivered to Orange County California??

 

My gut tells me that DRD gave you a 'ball park' shipping price based on previous experience,... but there simply wasn't enough 'padding' in that quote to cover the uncalculated time and distance between the Tampa terminal and the Sarasota destination...so instead of honoring their committment they left you hanging.

 

After all, they already had your money and realized that you'd never do business with them again...So what?...Right?

Thanks Jack, and that is exactly why I posted what I did, I just don't want to see one of our fellow members go through what I am going through.
 
 
Originally Posted by Jack Crosby:

Terry's post clearly shows the value of the SOC site --his report about DRD Company may save others the grief and upset he went through.

 

It also shows the need to check references before spending money.  Posting a simple request for recent experiences by others is an easy, smart thing to do.  esides that you can google DRD Racing Heads and see that the reports are very mixed with both happy customers and some horror stories.

 

I hope Terry's engine turns out to be what he paid for.

 

 

You are too right, and I am seriously concerned about what my money has gotten me now.  I obviously hope that their machine work & assembly is quite a bit better than their "the customer is right" thought process, but I guess I am going to find out soon.
 
 
 
Originally Posted by edsnova:

Sorry for your trouble, man. What a lame ****around. If I were you I wouldn't trust the engine either. Guys that sloppy with dates and promises are not likely to be precision freaks when it comes to the micrometer and the torque wrench. Let alone parts inspection before assembly.

 

I am a member of The Samba as well, and I now see that I should have done some due diligence on DRD Racing Heads, because as I read through the Samba posts, it is clear now that Darren has done similar kinds of things to many other customers as well.  The odd thing here, is that Darren has also done some obviously good work for various customers, as well as screwing others, or ignoring others, or telling one thing and doing another.

 

I am also a member of The Samba, and have posted a similar complaint about DRD, ie;

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/for...hp?p=6350320#6350320

 

I'm still trying to reach someone at the Tampa, FL shipping agent, to find out what it is going to cost to have them truck my engine crate to Sarasota, I'm hoping that I don't get screwed further or that these people have dropped the engine at some point !

It seems that there are far too many people who go into business with no clue how to treat customers. These are the people who have no idea how to market, advertise, manage their employees and their other expenses. They suck out any income from sales that should be set aside for the business itself, then further screw their suppliers when they declare bankruptcy. Judging from your comments, I seriously doubt that DRD will be in business for any serious length of time. Sorry to hear about your plight, but join the crowd; I too have been in similar situations before.

 

I think it might be appropriate for someone to send this link to DRD and ask for an explanation.

DRD offered excellent service/product when it small, but the bigger and busier it got the more it changed.  Now they're 'big' and have lots of business coming their way,  and they have forgotten about individual customer service (except for people they know personally-seems they're still treated well). 

They're arrogant and have forgotten that the air cooled VW community is a small one. 

Word gets around.

The manner in which I was finally able to get a conclusion to this odd interaction with DRD Racing is funny, yet strange, ie;

 

1)  After I exchange emails with Darren last Friday, he apparently calls the shipping company and tells them that it is ok for them to deliver the engine to my address in Sarasota.  

 

2)  Darren also tells them that they will have to collect the Tampa to Sarasota delivery charges COD from me.

 

3)  I call the Tampa shipping agent first thing this AM, and he tells me what Darren has done, and he very nicely says that my engine will delivered tomorrow morning. ( This guy is also a car guy, and he was very helpful ).

 

Now here is the ridiculous (yet funny) part about all of this, the delivery fee for my engine to be delivered from Tampa to Sarasota is only $60.  

 

You might ask yourself why Darren just didn't go ahead and find out what the delivery charges would have been, and then gave me that as an additional shipping charge ?  

 

You might also ask yourself why Darren just didn't tell me last Friday what was going on ?

The problem (or one of them anyway) with DRD is they supply heads to Aircooled.net and you always have to keep your big clients happy. I'm not saying it's right. Between this thread and the feedback thread on the Samba Darren has accumulated, I'm hoping Ron's prediction it will eventually come true and it will bite him in the a$$ but he does put out a decent product. With this slowly shrinking market (as aircooled VW's become even scarcer) you'd think he'd have cause for concern, but Empi's been raping the market for (how many?) years (and continues to with impunity) and they're still apparently doing well, so I don't know...I think it was P.T. Barnum that said there's a sucker born every minute and a lot of the cheap a$$ bastards that own VW's succomb to the lure of the "it's almost as good for half the price" mentality again and again, so I don't hold much hope for the future of our hobby.

 

Terry- I don't know what you bought, but a gasket kit and a little time and you could be sure you got what you paid for. Noting the travel with a piece of wire through a spark plug hole (if it's a stroker), taking a head off one side to verify piston and valve sizes, porting and chamber work, and pulling the oil pump (loosen the 13mm perimeter case nuts around it) to see what's stamped on the end of the cam would cover the basics.

 

Carl- I'm sure he's aware of the Samba thread too, but it doesn't seem to matter...

 

PS- Terry- Might be a good idea to send him this link, just to let him know he's pissing off another (and maybe slightly more affluent) segment of the market?

Last edited by ALB

Good points ALB, and as you can probably imagine, I selected DRD because of the good things I had read about, and I do hope that my turnkey 2276 arrives here exactly as the invoice states.  I do plan to go through some checking to make sure that what I receive, is exactly what I ordered and any deviations from my invoice will be grounds for meeting Darren in court.

 

This is not my first rodeo when it comes to buying engines from California builders, I have used two other engine builders and both of them were stand-up guys, who delivered as promised, on-time and they continued to support me even as I installed the engine.  I am still surprised at Darren's attitude after he had my money, but I guess you are probably correct in that he has to keep his big clients happier than his small customers.  I learned a valuable lesson from the way this was transpired, because I did not do enough due diligence on DRD to realize that even though he got some great press from his engines, he also got a lot of bad press from others.

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