early carrera speedster came with no hubcaps or just plain hubcaps with no logo at all. Is this correct. And while I am at it. Some came with or without bumper guards. Is this correct also.
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early carrera speedster came with no hubcaps or just plain hubcaps with no logo at all. Is this correct. And while I am at it. Some came with or without bumper guards. Is this correct also.
Rookie that wants to learn !!
Rookie that wants to learn !!
Carrera cars had hubcaps, but they also usually had the wide 5 rims that everyone loves. They took the hubcaps off for racing to give less weight and because they would fly off anyway. I suspect they didn't want to take them off and put them on each weekend, so it became the look of a car that raced on the weekend.
Overrider tubes started on US bound cars in late 56 early 57 production models.
Overrider tubes started on US bound cars in late 56 early 57 production models.
OK THEY CAME WITH HUBCAPS. BUT THE EARLY CARS (1956) HAD NO LOGO ON THE HUBCAPS. IS THIS CORRECT ?
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HEY GENE, ARE YOU RELATED TO GERD?
When I started having questions about what was on an original 58 such as mine is to represent, I found the internet has a ton of vintage pictures of 356 porsches. You can usually find what you want to know there. Lots of stuff on mine I am finding out is not original looking...ask me if I care.. lol.
James
James
yes to plain hubcap. yes to little or no chrome trim. yes to luvers on the engine lid . and yes to a very spartain interior with aluminum seat shells
If you need any more detail best get the Brent Johnson Porsche book
If you need any more detail best get the Brent Johnson Porsche book
I have to warn you, getting obsessed with what was original and what was not can be fun, but it can get really expensive really quick....and just about no one on this planet will care. So do this stuff only if you really care or want it, but don't do it out of some misguided notion that others will care, because they just won't.
Just in case you didn't know, writing in all caps is considered yelling on the internet. People generally don't like it much more then they do in person.
Get the Johnson book, it will tell you everything you possibly want to know, and it is fun to read.
Just in case you didn't know, writing in all caps is considered yelling on the internet. People generally don't like it much more then they do in person.
Get the Johnson book, it will tell you everything you possibly want to know, and it is fun to read.
All caps that a new one on me. Didn't mean to be rude
WHAT! - I couldn't hear you because I was chasing my hubcaps!
I still enjoy the Johnson book and I also got the carrera book .
He is right Its all a very personal taste kinda thing.
I your just starting out The Directory a Source for Parts and 356 Accessories is also a good to have when ou start looking for real or custom (P) parts.
Rude ? excessive? Opps sorry. Just a stickler for detail.
He is right Its all a very personal taste kinda thing.
I your just starting out The Directory a Source for Parts and 356 Accessories is also a good to have when ou start looking for real or custom (P) parts.
Rude ? excessive? Opps sorry. Just a stickler for detail.
Gene,
You can also get some good info on the 356 registry site. Listen to Steve on the "orignal" detail stuff, most don't care. Steves car is one of the more beautifully detailed cars I've seen, in person at least. But trust me when I say, depending on which type of car you have there are certain things that you can never be made to look original and the closer you get the more the things that can't be changed will stick out. I have a friend that has an original 58 speedster and just when I think my car is looking "all original like" I go by his place and see how far off I really am. I've kind of just accepted it now.
Plus, alot of the old pics you see are a mix of things from previous years unless the car in the pic is being presented "as original". Back then people used whatever worked and or fit so you may see things on one car that are from a different year. For example - my buddie also has an original 59 356 coupe but it's been significantly modified and now has a carrera engine lid from a different car. Check out my photos to see my buddies cars.
You can also get some good info on the 356 registry site. Listen to Steve on the "orignal" detail stuff, most don't care. Steves car is one of the more beautifully detailed cars I've seen, in person at least. But trust me when I say, depending on which type of car you have there are certain things that you can never be made to look original and the closer you get the more the things that can't be changed will stick out. I have a friend that has an original 58 speedster and just when I think my car is looking "all original like" I go by his place and see how far off I really am. I've kind of just accepted it now.
Plus, alot of the old pics you see are a mix of things from previous years unless the car in the pic is being presented "as original". Back then people used whatever worked and or fit so you may see things on one car that are from a different year. For example - my buddie also has an original 59 356 coupe but it's been significantly modified and now has a carrera engine lid from a different car. Check out my photos to see my buddies cars.
Gene-
You're kind of struggling on this hubcap thing (this is the second post referring to the lack of caps on some cars). It's a matter of taste. If you get a car and want caps- put 'em on. If you want to look like a '50s boy-racer leave 'em off. If you really want to look like a 50's boy-racer, get some hood straps, headlight guards, and a gumball number sticker if you're really committed.
It's a clean slate, see? You can do what you like.... because as Steve (oh so correctly stated) NOBODY cares. Really.
You're kind of struggling on this hubcap thing (this is the second post referring to the lack of caps on some cars). It's a matter of taste. If you get a car and want caps- put 'em on. If you want to look like a '50s boy-racer leave 'em off. If you really want to look like a 50's boy-racer, get some hood straps, headlight guards, and a gumball number sticker if you're really committed.
It's a clean slate, see? You can do what you like.... because as Steve (oh so correctly stated) NOBODY cares. Really.
Yelp I didnt change the hand brake or the shifter boot and of course the rear tunnel is a dead givaway. You have to draw a line somewhere,
But a tunnel mod would help with fitting nicer seats.
But a tunnel mod would help with fitting nicer seats.
I bought Brent Johnson Porsche book. Early speedster had plain no logo hubcaps. But the carrera wheel had a different offset than the standard wheel. The hubcap was dimpled with porsche crest
(all on page 75)
OK OK I know it just a plastic car! But I have some tall shoes to follow in. I just wanted to know what the real deal was!
(all on page 75)
OK OK I know it just a plastic car! But I have some tall shoes to follow in. I just wanted to know what the real deal was!
My Johnson book says (page 76) there was a light aloy 'baby moon' hubcap available for Carrera cars (Fibersteel sells replica's, see picture).
Mostly Carrera racers had longer wheel bolts which made changing of a wheel (during a race) more easy. These longer bolts possibly made the hupcaps not fitting anymore.
Mostly Carrera racers had longer wheel bolts which made changing of a wheel (during a race) more easy. These longer bolts possibly made the hupcaps not fitting anymore.
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ok on page 76.
Three types of hub caps were listed for 15 inch wheels. The baby moon carried the same part number as the 16 inch wheels. A light alloy (which translates to aluminum) moon was listed for the Carrera GTs. Crested caps, the ones with the lumps,were listed for use on the 1600s and the Carrera De luxe. These were first used on the T2s. They were listed a optional equipment booklet, meaning that they could have been fitted to any model.
So the T2 was in 1958. Was the longs studs and lug nuts optional or standard on carrera
What the deference between the Carrera GT and the Carrera De luxe? Was the speedster offered as a De luxe?
Three types of hub caps were listed for 15 inch wheels. The baby moon carried the same part number as the 16 inch wheels. A light alloy (which translates to aluminum) moon was listed for the Carrera GTs. Crested caps, the ones with the lumps,were listed for use on the 1600s and the Carrera De luxe. These were first used on the T2s. They were listed a optional equipment booklet, meaning that they could have been fitted to any model.
So the T2 was in 1958. Was the longs studs and lug nuts optional or standard on carrera
What the deference between the Carrera GT and the Carrera De luxe? Was the speedster offered as a De luxe?
The 1500 GS Carrera de Luxe (MY 1958) looked like a regular T2 model, (with side moldings, rocker panels, NO louvres in the deck lid). It could be recognised by the small Carrera scripts on the front fenders (just under the Speedster script and side molding) and also one under the rear Porsche script. In fact this Speedster was the 'wolf in sheep clothes'. Because it for sure had the worldfamous 1500cc Fuhrmann 4-cam engine. Unfortunately it became the most 'problematic' Speedster model. The 4-cam engine wasn't made and meant for easy cruising along the boulevards a lot of proud owners did (of course). So engines regularly broke down and caused a lot of complains.
Don't know the longer wheel studs were standard on the Carrera GT's. Think so.
Don't know the longer wheel studs were standard on the Carrera GT's. Think so.
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Shown alongside the single camshaft 'A' at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September 1955, Porsche
So my conclusion the speedster Carrera GTs came from the factory with aluminum moons (A light alloy which translates to aluminum) moon was listed for the Carrera GTs.)
After 1958 The Speedster Carrera De Luxe came from the factory with crested hubcaps (Crested caps, the ones with the lumps,were listed for use on the 1600s and the Carrera De luxe.)
After 1958 speedster carrera gt or gs could have either hubcaps because they were listed as a option!! These were first used on the T2s. They were listed a optional equipment booklet, meaning that they could have been fitted to any model.
After 1958 The Speedster Carrera De Luxe came from the factory with crested hubcaps (Crested caps, the ones with the lumps,were listed for use on the 1600s and the Carrera De luxe.)
After 1958 speedster carrera gt or gs could have either hubcaps because they were listed as a option!! These were first used on the T2s. They were listed a optional equipment booklet, meaning that they could have been fitted to any model.