Finally folks, for only $119,950
.........you too can drive a STARKE SPEEDSTER
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....... or four Vintage Speedsters.
Alan Merklin posted:....... or four Vintage Speedsters.
I can only drive them one at a time.
They'll sell every one they build.
Stan Galat posted:Alan Merklin posted:....... or four Vintage Speedsters.
I can only drive them one at a time.
They'll sell every one they build.
Which will NOT be MANY
cuz nobody aint layin down a deposit
The ad says "FIRST EVER" which might mean that they haven't sold the first one???
Banzai Pipeline posted:Stan Galat posted:Alan Merklin posted:....... or four Vintage Speedsters.
I can only drive them one at a time.
They'll sell every one they build.
Which will NOT be MANY
Let's not start this again.
We have no idea how many orders they currently have, how many they are currently building, how many buyers are considering them or how many will be ordered in 2018
Hmmmm let's see.....the same goes for Beck, IM and Vintage .....
I can tell it's a replica because it has a tunnel mounted e-brake. 
Seriously, I think the car looks nice and I think others will too and they will sell.
WNGD posted:Banzai Pipeline posted:Stan Galat posted:Alan Merklin posted:....... or four Vintage Speedsters.
I can only drive them one at a time.
They'll sell every one they build.
Which will NOT be MANY
Let's not start this again.
We have no idea how many orders they currently have, how many they are currently building, how many buyers are considering them or how many will be ordered in 2018
Hmmmm let's see.....the same goes for Beck, IM and Vintage .....
Except Beck, IM, Vintage have a history of selling cars from mid $20s to $125K...over 50 years in the case of IM....and VERY successfully replicas of the HISTORIC 50s Porsche
TIME WILL TELL, of course...as always, but I'm betting that they will have a tough time selling a baker's dozen...
I will digress and take a stroll on the beach
Since I have only seen pictures, which look nice actually, it could be a good choice for those who want a modern drive train P car.
Hope they do well ... did someone say he was going to the beach.. .warm... sunny where is it. were frozen here.. 
IaM-Ray posted:Since I have only seen pictures, which look nice actually, it could be a good choice for those who want a modern drive train P car.
Hope they do well ... did someone say he was going to the beach.. .warm... sunny where is it. were frozen here..
I live on Ke Iki Beach...North Shore of Oahu..........sunset 68 degrees(PARADISE)...
IF I lived on that island I would have to have many cars to go around that circle all the time
Banzai Pipeline posted:WNGD posted:Banzai Pipeline posted:Stan Galat posted:Alan Merklin posted:....... or four Vintage Speedsters.
I can only drive them one at a time.
They'll sell every one they build.
Which will NOT be MANY
Let's not start this again.
We have no idea how many orders they currently have, how many they are currently building, how many buyers are considering them or how many will be ordered in 2018
Hmmmm let's see.....the same goes for Beck, IM and Vintage .....
Except Beck, IM, Vintage have a history of selling cars from mid $20s to $125K...over 50 years in the case of IM....and VERY successfully replicas of the HISTORIC 50s Porsche
None of them started with 50 years of experience either. They all started with their first car. Each of them chose to start with a familiar product and their own business model. Starke is trying something different, yet similar, but just like the others he's starting with his first one.
Freddy Edsel, Leo Studebaker, Martino Yugo, and John DeLorean were having lunch one day.........at Malcolm Bricklins ski villa in Siberia
On an island the DNA pool is quite restrictive... I hear Iceland has an app for iphones to check how close they are to the opposite sex oh ... other person. Prevents issues from happening ... you know like breeding issues
Banzai Pipeline posted:WNGD posted:Banzai Pipeline posted:Stan Galat posted:Alan Merklin posted:....... or four Vintage Speedsters.
I can only drive them one at a time.
They'll sell every one they build.
Which will NOT be MANY
Let's not start this again.
We have no idea how many orders they currently have, how many they are currently building, how many buyers are considering them or how many will be ordered in 2018
Hmmmm let's see.....the same goes for Beck, IM and Vintage .....
Except Beck, IM, Vintage have a history of selling cars from mid $20s to $125K...over 50 years in the case of IM....and VERY successfully replicas of the HISTORIC 50s Porsche
But we weren't talking about history, you just said that "nobody aint layin down a deposit" and we don't know how many deposits any other manufacturer has either. What you said will prove demonstrably false as soon as a Starke owner dares to show his face around here....
I'm not here to be the apologist for Starke as there's no way I would pay over 100 large for a replica; it doesn't mean no one else will and just perhaps in enough volume to support a successful business. But haven't we learned anything after all the braying around them never getting a single car built about perhaps letting them get a few sold before saying they have no deposits?
What have you got against the guy other than he ill advisedly put down other brands upon his introduction? Go for a drive and enjoy your weather
GUYS...they will sell a "FEW" but I try to grasp the COMMON SENSE factor along with the RIDICULOUS and NOSTALGIA index...in CONTEXT with history. First off, there are literally hundreds of failed and defunct car makers/manufacturers....so there is a very basic fundamental challenge built into the industry. Secondly, look at the RIDICULOUS factor which is the already pricey cars availability(Lambo, Porsche, Ferrari, Bugatti, McLaren, Mercedes AMG) which are flourishing, EXISTING, well moneyed competition for the huge/big money/oil.silicon.com wealth. Then I look at past attempts of similar nostalgia reach that have failed such as Ford T-BIRD, circa 2005....
Then I consider the existing Speedster nostalgia line of Beck, Vintage, Seduction, IM and then the big guys: Emory and Singer repros of 356 Coupes and 911. These look almost identical to their predecessors with enormous combos of VW/SUBIE/PORSCHE and even Detroit V8 which are existing, "apparently" doing well, and the focus of SOC madness.
Next I consider the potential buyer of a STARKE: not only does a buyer need to choose a STARKE, one that barely looks like a speedster, but buy a donor car(?) of potentially suspect history, and with a limited warranty and support of a new BOXSTER...BUT purposefully NOT buy ANY of the competition instead. So the moneyed buyer needs to say to oneself....."I am not going to buy a MB, Lexus, 911, Ferrari, IM, cayenne, Cadillac, or any other car for $100 to $150K..rather I will buy a STARKE"? That is a very TALL ORDER to pull off...yes there are some that will buy as an addition, rather than INSTEAD OF, despite the fact that there are other options for the addition also.
All a matter of choice and competition along with basic fundamental challenge of success suggests a tough road to climb....very tough.
Where I live, that "MB, Lexus, 911, Ferrari, cayenne, Cadillac" Jag, Tesla etc won't get even a second glance. But the Starke will and that's what some of his buyers are after: notable exclusivity....then again, for that you can buy a $20K Vintage too
If you don't understand, you don't understand I guess.
WNGD posted:Where I live, that "MB, Lexus, 911, Ferrari, cayenne, Cadillac" Jag, Tesla etc won't get even a second glance. But the Starke will and that's what some of his buyers are after: notable exclusivity....then again, for that you can buy a $20K Vintage too
If you don't understand, you don't understand I guess.
Got it...but those few who choose the STARKE do NOT make a successful company............it might but TALL ODDS..
We shall see how many make that call?
Let's agree to DISAGREE?
WNGD posted:Where I live, that "MB, Lexus, 911, Ferrari, cayenne, Cadillac" Jag, Tesla etc won't get even a second glance. But the Starke will and that's what some of his buyers are after: notable exclusivity....then again, for that you can buy a $20K Vintage too
If you don't understand, you don't understand I guess.
Anyone who DROPS $120K on a used BOXSTER can get a second glance for a lot less than a mutant SPEEDSTER...he is likely SAVVY if he has 120K in discretionary funds and might want to buy something that he can RESELL!
Second GLANCE does NOT make a successful car company selling used BOXSTERS......for 120K
THAT I UNDERSTAND!
Banzai, give it a rest dude...It's getting real old!
Bill Prout posted:Banzai, give it a rest dude...It's getting real old!
Yes indeed....just wanted to give a full perspective as I did not come to my thoughts lightly. .....I'm done
Banzai Pipeline posted:Bill Prout posted:Banzai, give it a rest dude...It's getting real old!
Yes indeed
I think that's the 3rd time you've said that on various Starke threads 
NEW THREAD/NEW LIFE
ITS OKAY FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THAT THEY WILL SELL EVERYONE THEY BUILD...but I cant disagree?
AINT HAPPENIN
I knew you couldn't keep quiet for very long. Really, take your own advice and be done.
I have never yet muted anyone on this site, but my little finger is now hovering over the button.
x 3!
Having tried and failed four times , I have nothing but respect for the small businessmen in America that can manage the problems and opportunities that are inherent in a start up.
They really are what makes America great and unique from the other first world countries.....they are the job creators........ and if I had my way, there would be no business taxes but rather taxes on income..... like everyone else is subject too. Not a penalty for creating a business.
The proposed tax bill is a step in the right direction. I am not going to defend the rest of it...... Happy Holidays and good luck to Starke and all their owners and employees ...
This just out. I read that there is a new treatment for OCD and ADHD. It even works on adults.
edsnova posted:I have never yet muted anyone on this site, but my little finger is now hovering over the button.
I didn't know that feature existed, Ed. How do you make it happen and what are the results ? Posts by the muted poster just don't show up on my computer or what ? Thanks and best of the Season.
When I put my mouse over your name at the top of your post, David, it gives some member info, there are "follow David Stroud", "start private message" and "block member" buttons. If you "block member" I believe you no longer see their posts.
Ah well, after 50 or 60 we all suffer from some undiagnosed condition ... you know the grumpy old man syndrome ... just kidding .... but I am sure someone on here can give us a diagnosis.
ALB posted:When I put my mouse over your name at the top of your post, David, it gives some member info, there are "follow David Stroud", "start private message" and "block member" buttons. If you "block member" I believe you no longer see their posts.
Krypes....sometimes I find myself hilarious. Taking your advice, Al. I applied the mouse over my name, looked everywhere and found no such "block member" function.
Tried and failed four times to find it. Finally figured it out...apparently you cannot block yourself ! These dang computers can be tricky. Then I put the mouse over your name and saw what you were telling me about. Sheesh....at least I learned one more thing today. Cheers...
IaM-Ray posted:IF I lived on that island I would have to have many cars to go around that circle all the time
I am with Pipeline on this one. The problem with the future is it is so hard to predict. Tastes change so maybe these things will sell. One thing I do know for sure is young people like our cars. Our cars are relatively easy to work on and parts are mostly inexpensive. The Boxster is the opposite and has a reputation for unreliability. At least we expect that and understand. At $120K I can buy the real thing brand new.
".apparently you cannot block yourself !"
I laughed at that David, as after I tried it on yours I found that with myself!
bart posted:Having tried and failed four times , I have nothing but respect for the small businessmen...
They really are what makes America great and unique from the other first world countries.
Gee, and here I thought that Trump did that...
If we could block ourselves, I probably would have done it to myself long, long ago.....
Banzai Pipeline posted:IaM-Ray posted:Since I have only seen pictures, which look nice actually, it could be a good choice for those who want a modern drive train P car.
Hope they do well ... did someone say he was going to the beach.. .warm... sunny where is it. were frozen here..
I live on Ke Iki Beach...North Shore of Oahu..........sunset 68 degrees(PARADISE)...
Hey Banzai - I took an awesome Glider ride over North shore some years ago, what a great way to see it from the air!
Dutch posted:Banzai Pipeline posted:IaM-Ray posted:Since I have only seen pictures, which look nice actually, it could be a good choice for those who want a modern drive train P car.
Hope they do well ... did someone say he was going to the beach.. .warm... sunny where is it. were frozen here..
I live on Ke Iki Beach...North Shore of Oahu..........sunset 68 degrees(PARADISE)...
Hey Banzai - I took an awesome Glider ride over North shore some years ago, what a great way to see it from the air!
GREAT place to live...great climate for a SPEEDSTER even in light rain...
Banzai Pipeline posted:GUYS...they will sell a "FEW" but I try to grasp the COMMON SENSE factor along with the RIDICULOUS and NOSTALGIA index...in CONTEXT with history. First off, there are literally hundreds of failed and defunct car makers/manufacturers....so there is a very basic fundamental challenge built into the industry. Secondly, look at the RIDICULOUS factor which is the already pricey cars availability(Lambo, Porsche, Ferrari, Bugatti, McLaren, Mercedes AMG) which are flourishing, EXISTING, well moneyed competition for the huge/big money/oil.silicon.com wealth. Then I look at past attempts of similar nostalgia reach that have failed such as Ford T-BIRD, circa 2005....
Then I consider the existing Speedster nostalgia line of Beck, Vintage, Seduction, IM and then the big guys: Emory and Singer repros of 356 Coupes and 911. These look almost identical to their predecessors with enormous combos of VW/SUBIE/PORSCHE and even Detroit V8 which are existing, "apparently" doing well, and the focus of SOC madness.
Next I consider the potential buyer of a STARKE: not only does a buyer need to choose a STARKE, one that barely looks like a speedster, but buy a donor car(?) of potentially suspect history, and with a limited warranty and support of a new BOXSTER...BUT purposefully NOT buy ANY of the competition instead. So the moneyed buyer needs to say to oneself....."I am not going to buy a MB, Lexus, 911, Ferrari, IM, cayenne, Cadillac, or any other car for $100 to $150K..rather I will buy a STARKE"? That is a very TALL ORDER to pull off...yes there are some that will buy as an addition, rather than INSTEAD OF, despite the fact that there are other options for the addition also.
All a matter of choice and competition along with basic fundamental challenge of success suggests a tough road to climb....very tough.
Not what you said. If memory serves, your line in the sand was that he'd fail to produce his first car. I still fail to see what irks you so about this guy.