EMPI Brake Rotor / Pad Options?

I think they are copies of the brakes on Karman Ghia's

When I replaced my rotors and discs I had to use Khia pads. The big pads didn’t fit. Specifically the holes for the pins didn’t line up if I remember correctly. 

@Robert M - if I'm not mistaken the Khia pads are the small square shape? These are more of a conventional pad shape. They don't make this stuff easy. @Jimmy V. could be correct regarding the KG rotor, the problem with that is they would be a 4 lug pattern vs. the 5 lug we have.

@JR_1979 posted:

@Robert M - if I'm not mistaken the Khia pads are the small square shape? These are more of a conventional pad shape. They don't make this stuff easy. @Jimmy V. could be correct regarding the KG rotor, the problem with that is they would be a 4 lug pattern vs. the 5 lug we have.

Yes, my pads were a square shape so don’t follow my advice. Lol

They are the same as front pads for a Karmann Ghia. Rock Auto offers a plethora of options, from economy through racing.  

Thanks, @Eric (McGruff).Any year in particular? I guess I'm looking for the 2 pin pads. KG Rotors as well? I know the rear calipers are different and take different pads, as the KG had drums.

@JR_1979 posted:

Thanks, @Eric (McGruff).Any year in particular? I guess I'm looking for the 2 pin pads. KG Rotors as well? I know the rear calipers are different and take different pads, as the KG had drums.

The conversion kits have their own rotor/hub units, front and rear. Not sure whether the fronts are compatible with the Ghia, but the rears aren't, they're splined. My rear calipers take the same pads as the fronts. 

My Front and rears take the same pads as well and the calipers look identical to the ones shown here in the pics. I have nifty Brembo plastic covers over my calipers.

Thanks guys. Makes sense regarding the rotors being proprietary being a conversion, I suppose. Pads should definitely be a different story, I see EBC has some dual pin pads. That might be fun. Feel like these things could be putting out a little more grip.

I'm pretty sure I've narrowed down the rear caliper to EMPI part number 22-6124-B. Says they take pad # 22-2993, shown in pic here. Just not sure if these are a match with any OEM VW pads, if they could be interchanged with a pad made by anyone other than EMPI. Maybe someone recognizes them?

They look like the rear pads from my 1990 Corrado. I thought these calipers used generic late 80s to 90s VW? Anyone? Bueller?

That's a good call, @DannyP, they're pretty similar. This is the best image I can find of the EMPI pads, which isn't great, but it looks like they might be a slightly different shape than the Corrado.

@JR_1979 , when I ordered rear discs on my VS, they installed an EMPI set, which look a lot like the picture of the caliper you posted (although mine are 4-bolt wheels):

I replaced pads a few years back and discovered they take a very common pad that was used on a lot of cars around 25 years ago (including  Ford Tauruses). The industry term for this size is D610.

I ordered a set of Bendix ceramic pads from Amazon and they were the right size for the caliper. But they were a little too thick. I couldn't spread the caliper far apart enough for the pads to drop in around the disc, so I ended up having to sand about 1/8" off each pad. After that, they've worked great:

Despite how it looks in this photo, they're just about 3 and 5/8" wide:

Here's the link to the pads on Amazon, but any auto parts store should have something in that size.

@Sacto Mitch, wow you're awesome. I don't think I was ever going to come across all that great information without your help. And yes, that definitely looks like the pads. So you had to take a whole 1/8" off huh? How did you make sure you kept a perfectly flush surface? I need to do some research on these and see if there's anyway to tell the difference in pad depth between the difference brands. If I dig up anything helpful I'll post back here for future reference.

I believe those are RotaHubs from Empi, and Empi rear disk kit.  California Imports sells the rotors and I see the spacer that is used about 15mm I think to cover the left over spline.  So if they are the same as shown below then they have the parts for you.

https://www.cip1.ca/ProductDet...ode=ACC%2DC10%2D6742

@Sacto Mitch - I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this info with me. I tried doing some research on pad thickness to determine if there were D610 pads that may fit without any alterations, but couldn't make any real progress. Found that Centric makes some nice ceramic pads for both the 2 pin Rabbits and the D610s, so picked up both of those. I did have to sand about 1/8" off of the rears in order to get them to fit. After flushing the system and bedding these guys in, I'm super happy. Whisper quiet (like, pin-drop quiet) and bring the car to quick, soft stop.

Never would have figured all that out if not for you, so thank you, kind sir.

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@JR_1979 , glad things worked out for you.

Don't worry about having to shave off some of the pad thickness. With our cars being so light, the rear brakes wear slowly (at least, if you have disks).

With about 30K miles, I figured I was due for new pads, so ordered a set. When I pulled them to inspect, they were less than half worn down, so I left them in.

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I know the wide five front kits So Cal Imports (AC Industries?) sell use VW Rabbit calipers and pads. Not sure if the EMPI units are the same ones but rebranded; they look very similar, if not identical.

@JR_1979-- to close this out, can you please supply the front brake PN you used (as well as the exact year of the Rabbit for application)?

It'll help somebody on future searches.

@Stan Galat - I suppose that would tidy things up a bit! After re-reading this I have no idea why I mentioned Rabbit pads, they're KG pads. Guess I was over-excited.

Front Calipers: EMPI 98-1150-B

Accept the 2-pin VW KARMANN GHIA Pads w/ no alerations. Double-check you're purchasing the 2-pin pads.

(Search for 1972 VOLKSWAGEN KARMANN GHIA front disc brake pads)

I used CENTRIC 10500300 Posi-Quiet; Ceramic

Left Rear Caliper: EMPI 22-6123-B
Right Rear Caliper: EMPI 22-6124-B

Accept the generic D610 pads. Assuming different brands have different pad thickness, YMMV. @Sacto Mitch and I both had to sand approx. 1/8" from the pad depth in order to get these to accommodate the EMPI 22-2843-7 rotors.

(Search for 2007 Ford Taurus rear disc brake pads)

I used CENTRIC 10506100 Posi-Quiet; Ceramic