any comments on CB performance engines / comments on Scat Engines
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any comments on CB performance engines / comments on Scat Engines
They're both good; if I had a choice I'd have Pat Downs at CB Performance build me one.
try this....
http://www.dragracingtv.com/vw/misc/chico-performance-engine-builder-showdown-part1-2006.html
http://www.dragracingtv.com/vw/misc/chico-performance-engine-builder-showdown-part1-2006.html
Hmmm, between CB and Scat I would say it is all a matter of how much you want to spend and what you want to do with your car/engine when done.
CB does some really good things and develops significant HP for "reasonable" money using their parts as well as modified VW parts. Reasonable money being $10k or less.
On the other hand Scat can and does build some completely custom engines for very high output...custom 3 piece case, Scat flange bolt crank, 2 piece heads, titanium rods and valves, roller rockers, roller lifters, etc etc etc.... think in the range of $35-40K for these....but, they will run 8,000+ rpm all day long if that is what you need to do. Pauter makes even higher output engines for even more money. Pauter shows an 875 hp "VW style" engine....with supercharger, or a 400hp street engine....
Back to Scat, they do offer more reasonably priced engines also. Parts from them to build a really nice engine might run in the $10k range, while parts from CB to build a really nice engine is more in the $5k range to do it correctly.....
I would guess $7500 to CB would provide a good engine that would put a really big grin on your face for 10,000 or 20,000 miles....pay less get less...
why HP costs so much more in a VW than it does in a Chevy SB is still a mystery to me.....
CB does some really good things and develops significant HP for "reasonable" money using their parts as well as modified VW parts. Reasonable money being $10k or less.
On the other hand Scat can and does build some completely custom engines for very high output...custom 3 piece case, Scat flange bolt crank, 2 piece heads, titanium rods and valves, roller rockers, roller lifters, etc etc etc.... think in the range of $35-40K for these....but, they will run 8,000+ rpm all day long if that is what you need to do. Pauter makes even higher output engines for even more money. Pauter shows an 875 hp "VW style" engine....with supercharger, or a 400hp street engine....
Back to Scat, they do offer more reasonably priced engines also. Parts from them to build a really nice engine might run in the $10k range, while parts from CB to build a really nice engine is more in the $5k range to do it correctly.....
I would guess $7500 to CB would provide a good engine that would put a really big grin on your face for 10,000 or 20,000 miles....pay less get less...
why HP costs so much more in a VW than it does in a Chevy SB is still a mystery to me.....
Pat Downs, hands down. jmho
C.B. Perf., Pat Downs, and Crew....
Pat built my engine, and when he found out it was for the Carlisle build last year (we put it together over the weekend), he worked some extra magic and did a "run-in" for no extra charge. We bolted that sucker in and it fired right up and ran great. I'm a big fan.
I would have thought a CB Performance motor would have lasted for more than 10-20K miles. Was there any particular reason for that figure?
Just so you know: My CB 2110 turn-key 140+ hp dyno tuned motor is going out the door for $5000. There are members of this forum that have many more than 20k miles on their CB motors.
If well put together with quality parts and well maintained and taken care of they should last 100K miles or more, with a head job around the 70K mark, of course.
The $7500 CB engine would either be a turbo or their recent 2332 cc competition engine that did 224 hp on pump gas. Expecting those engines to live a long life is expecting a lot. Large displacement, high RPM VW style engines, that are pushed a bit do not generally live a long life. That is not to disparage CB or anybody else. It is physics and engineering....and how you drive it, and how you care for it, and all the parts good etc...
I think they (CB) generally build a very good product, I have owned one, a CB 2109, as well as a Bernnie Bergman 2275. My most recent engine, a 2332, I built myself, and I built it in a fashion I could not have been able to get from CB...I used their Comp Eliminator heads, their crank, their pent roof high deck case, their rods, etc....and I hope to get more than 10-20k out of it, but it is always a crap shoot...
Lower performance, lower compression, lower RPM, smaller stroke, smaller bore, all will generally allow an engine to live much longer. Also, one's right foot has a lot to do with it....
I think they (CB) generally build a very good product, I have owned one, a CB 2109, as well as a Bernnie Bergman 2275. My most recent engine, a 2332, I built myself, and I built it in a fashion I could not have been able to get from CB...I used their Comp Eliminator heads, their crank, their pent roof high deck case, their rods, etc....and I hope to get more than 10-20k out of it, but it is always a crap shoot...
Lower performance, lower compression, lower RPM, smaller stroke, smaller bore, all will generally allow an engine to live much longer. Also, one's right foot has a lot to do with it....
I'm sort of a Berg fan. Did you see how Clyde (?) Berg's engine put out 172 hp with a compression ratio of 7.0:1? I'd rather give up a few ponies to make the engine reliable and longer lasting.