Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Tremont, IL posted:....IMHO, if more people had a 2110 with a 120 cam, good heads, 40 Dellortos, and a nicely done 5 speed, there wouldn't be such a mad rush to Subaru.
I think you're right, Stan.
Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Tremont, IL posted:Mitch, Terry, and Anthony know what they're talking about. I wish I had about $5K from my many, many engine permutations back so I could just spend it on a 5-speed and be done with it.
IMHO, if more people had a 2110 with a 120 cam, good heads, 40 Dellortos, and a nicely done 5 speed, there wouldn't be such a mad rush to Subaru.
Well said. Any combo with a two liter involving good heads, cam, exhaust and true weber said or dells.
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Stan your right because a 2110 to 2332 engine is nice and a five speed would be nice on the other hand at some point will reliable AC engines still be available and if your not a tinkerer newer power train hopefully would be more reliable and less maintenance requiring not to mention the availability of Subaru mechanics
Ray
Regarding a 5-speed or even a slightly modified engine or transaxle, it only makes sense if you really DRIVE your car.
If you're the type who spends more time waxing and admiring your little gem and only take it for a a spin on a perfect day, racking up 1,000 miles or less a year, don't bother. If you live where the only intinteresting roads are two states away, forget about it. If you think such upgrades will increase the value of your toy exponentially, it won't.
But, if you are that guy who really wants to carve through those twisties and accelerate up those gorgeous mountains with ease but are frustrated that there's no more left on the pedal and that gear you need is missing...then, by all means, spend the money and enjoy the drive.
Just don't tell your significant other how much of your retirement was spent. Unless she's like my wife who encouraged me to drive my car.
Stan has the wisdom here, I think. Soob + 4 speed, or 2110++ 5 speed will equally get your car out of the hole. I think the simplest Soob is more complicated--but cheaper. Your mileage (and trap speed) may vary.
First thing, WOW nice heads! There is a lot of bucks in that engine. My engine is a 2110 kit that Pat Downs built. It has 44 Webers, Los PanchItos heads and CBs 2246 Eagle cam with 1.25 rockers. It dynoed right at 150 hp and about 155 ft lbs with a real flat torque curve. It goes past 6000 pretty easy but I haven't taken it much past there.
I do need to re calibrate my concerns about twisting this engine a little in normal driving. I've pretty much given up on the 3.44. I'm sticking with the 3.88 and using a bus .82- 4th gear. It looks like I'm going to bite the bullet on the Weddle 3.11- 1.86. Not sure about 3rd, 1.31 or 1.22. I'm going to let the builder help with that.
Going way back to the first post, getting ready to pull the engine and take the exhaust off any way because I drug it on a tall drive way and I'm going to get that section recounted. Just out of curiosity, what does a Berg 5 spd run cost wise and are they robust?
This has been a great thread. A lot of you guys have really dug in this stuff and it's good to get input from those who have been through this. Thanks for all the advice.
Fpcopo VS posted:First thing, WOW nice heads! There is a lot of bucks in that engine. My engine is a 2110 kit that Pat Downs built. It has 44 Webers, Los PanchItos heads and CBs 2246 Eagle cam with 1.25 rockers. It dynoed right at 150 hp and about 155 ft lbs with a real flat torque curve. It goes past 6000 pretty easy but I haven't taken it much past there.
I do need to re calibrate my concerns about twisting this engine a little in normal driving. I've pretty much given up on the 3.44. I'm sticking with the 3.88 and using a bus .82- 4th gear. It looks like I'm going to bite the bullet on the Weddle 3.11- 1.86. Not sure about 3rd, 1.31 or 1.22. I'm going to let the builder help with that.
Going way back to the first post, getting ready to pull the engine and take the exhaust off any way because I drug it on a tall drive way and I'm going to get that section recounted. Just out of curiosity, what does a Berg 5 spd run cost wise and are they robust?
This has been a great thread. A lot of you guys have really dug in this stuff and it's good to get input from those who have been through this. Thanks for all the advice.
When you total up the cost for those current changes you are half way to getting a 5 speed. Building one ( berg 5). From scratch is a approx 3-5 month project. Most of that time is due to bergs parts availability. The berg mount and either a berg or vintage shifter is additional. The costs really depend on what mainshaft you use- either the stock ratio 3.80/2.06 or 3.78/2.06, aftermarket 3rd & 4th gears, handpack needle bearings, chromoly pinion retainer or nut, axles, and diff. And which ring and pinion.
one may get by at 4,500 or as high as $6,000 which would include a LSD or Quaifle.
Caretech-IM posted:Stan your right because a 2110 to 2332 engine is nice and a five speed would be nice on the other hand at some point will reliable AC engines still be available and if your not a tinkerer newer power train hopefully would be more reliable and less maintenance requiring not to mention the availability of Subaru mechanics
Ray
I know why some guys are headed in this direction-- I really do get it. OTOH, there are a lot of guys frustrated and quitting because they see a pretty involved/expensive Subaru conversion as the only way to get to something that will reliably get them from point A to point B, hence the "headlong rush" comment.
At the risk of hyperbole, there are a whole lot of Type 1s hanging in the back of these cars that are nasty little pieces of junk, and the baby often gets thrown out with the bathwater. A nice 2110 or thickwall 2180, or even a thickwall 2276 (there is a guy selling thickwall iron 94s over on TheSamba) with a 120 or FK8/86b for the go-faster guys bolted to a nice 5-speed really would scratch a lot of those itches.
Whether or not good parts and shops will be available going forward is an open question. I'd like to hope there will be, but guys like Jake Raby paint a pretty dismal picture. While it's true there are more people working on late-model Subarus than ancient VWs out in the cold world, I'd bet there aren't so many working on Subarus without OBDII ports throwing diagnostic codes. I know Henry uses stock ECUs, but there's a lot of other folks who are not. Getting those cars worked on isn't going to be a lot easier than finding a guy for an ACVW. I'm not so sure the tuner shops with the stand-alone ECUs are going to be around in 10 years, and I'm pretty sure that if they are, whatever is being used today will be at least 4 generations old by then.
10 year from now, a Dellorto will still be a Dellorto and Dellorto jets will still be chunks of brass with holes in them. Somebody will still have them, and somebody will most likely still be working on them.
A custom car is a custom car. It's not a Honda and it's not a 'vette. Owning one assumes (inadvertently or not) a bit of difficulty in getting it worked on. That's the appeal, and that's the maddening reality.
Forewarned is forearmed.