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  I have a question regarding engine rev.  I noticed a video of a 356 motor, not sure if it was a four cam.  The guy in the video was revving the motor up to 5k as the car was parked.  The motor seemed to have no issues and did not appear to be a "race motor".  I have a 1983 IM with a CB performance 2005cc with approx 5,000 miles on it.  The motor was purchased by the previous owner.  When I drive my car to a level that I consider pushing it hard I don't think I get much higher than 4k rpm.  What do you think guys? 

 

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Redline RPM limits depends on the balance of the rotating assembly, valve springs, pushrod strength to an extent, and mass of engine parts. Power limits depend on flow capabilities of the intake, heads, and exhaust. Not uncommon for properly built vw motors to spin 7-8000. But if you've got a non-counterweighted stock crank and stock internals, you'll risk damage over 5000. Of course with stock parts it'll stop making power by 4-4500 anyway so it kind of naturally works out.

 

Yours is obviously not stock by size, but without knowing what's all in your engine it's impossible to say what your RPM limits and power range might be.

You can build a VW engine for higher revs - just cost more $$$.  Start with a counter weighted crank, dual valve springs, lightened fly wheel and everything precision balanced.  The VW stock engine was 40-50 hp and the Porsche 356-912 was 75-90 hp - with about the same displacement. Even the cooling fan on the 356 was balanced and welded.

 

Porsche parts are easily 5x the cost of a VW part - you'd expect better performance from them.

Last edited by WOLFGANG

How high it will rev (with power) will depend on what components are in the engine (or the "combo")- the cam's duration (the amount of time the valves are open) controls the rpm range or "powerband" and the other components (carburetion, porting, valves and exhaust) all have to be sized to produce power in the rpm range the cam will run in. Of course, depending on displacement (size of the engine), components (carbs, heads, exhaust) that allow a smaller engine (eg- 1776) to rev with power to say, 7,000 rpm would only rev to about 6,000 rpm in a substantially larger engine (2110). I'm simplifying this somewhat, of course, but let's keep it easy to understand.... 

 

Even a mildly built VW engine with dual carburetors should rev to 5,000- 6,000 rpm with power, depending on the combo. Next time you're out with your car, try revving it (in 3rd gear) and note at what rpm the power seems to "peak" or run out of steam. It will rev higher than this, but in 3rd gear you should feel a definite peak to the powerband. It will rev fairly quickly to this point and then go higher, but you'll feel it slow down after it hits peak rpm. And give yourself some room on an open road; this is not something to attempt in traffic....

 

After you figure out peak rpm, this is the point you can rev to OCCASIONALLY; for normal traffic still use 3500-4,000 rpm as the shift point most of the time, but when you want to play, now you know how high you can go. Remember, revving it past the powerband's peak doesn't make the car any quicker (it will actually be slightly slower) and since the engine won't be built to go past that point, doing it on a regular basis will be very hard on parts. Also, engines that spend a lot of their time at or near redline don't last very long. Al

 

Do you have any information (cam, carbs, valve sizes and porting, exhaust) on what's in the engine?

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Tab - during our trips all over the West Coast (CA, OR, WA, NV, UT, CO) I was able to run my '95 VS with 1835, fwy flyer and ext oil cooler on the highway for hours at 3,300-3,500 rpm (70-75 mph or so) no problem, no overheating. Was just short (by 1,500 mile) of logging 100,000 miles on that bad boy (before our little accident in Malibu)! 

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Yeah, I've been running these air-cooled engines forever and anywhere between 3K-4K all day long is OK as long as the oil temp remains below 210F.  Mine used to be quite happy around 3,700 til I recently changed the final gearing from 4:12 to 3:88 so I suspect it'll now settle between 3,200 and 3,400 and be happy.

 

You'll be fine, Tab, once you get used to the car.  65-75 should be fine.  Don't forget to wave back at all the people waving at you.

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