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I have been reading some articles on the deleterious effect of E10 gasoline (10% ethanol) and am now alert to the bad things alcohol can do to an engine and fuel systems. Alcohol attracts water, and if the engine is not used on a fairly frequent basis, alcohol in the fuel can wreak havoc.

E10 is now sold in the majority of areas in the U.S., and the all-knowing federal government is now pushing to raise the alcohol level to 15%. This will naturally continue to push up the price of certain foods and meats, but I don't want to get into the political arena here.

The December, 2012 issue of Motorcycle Consumer News features an interesting take on the subject: "The problems with gasoline/ethanol blends include phase separation, which happens when the ethanol (which is hygroscopic, meaning it has an affinity for water) has absorbed enough atmospheric moisture to fall out of suspension with the gasoline." The article goes on to explain that phase separation is less of a problem in perfectly sealed fuel systems, but many older vehicles with fuel vents aren't so blessed.

Two-stroke engines are especially vulnerable to seizures because alcohol breaks down the fuel/oil mixtures. (I just had my chain saw serviced and will add the oil/gas mixture only when I plan to use the machine. Otherwise, the tank will stay empty or will be filled with a special gasoline offered by the dealer that can stay in the tank for up to two years without ill effect. The dealer was adamant about not leaving gasoline in the gas tank of the chain saw or other two-stroke engines unless a stabilizer is used).

The MCN article also went on to say that corrosion to plastics, rubber, aluminum and fiberglass can be a problem. And...."when E10 is allowed to sit for a long time in a fuel system, the volatile portion of the fuel will eventually evaporate, leaving a milky residue behind. And this goo will eventually harden into an amber solid that cracks into tiny pieces, creating a mass of insoluble debris that must be physically removed before the engine can be brought back to life."


Since winter is almost upon us and many of us will be storing our cars for lengthy periods, consider the use of gasoline stabilizers before storing your car.

Barry

 

Former owner Vintage Suby Spyder

1967 Chevy C10 pickup

'38 Chevy coupe; Corvette LS-6 engine; 6-speed Tremec transmission, plus other goodies

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Good advice. Know your engine and learn proper storage.
 
Originally Posted by Barry S (Goofycat):

E10 is now sold in the majority of areas in the U.S., and the all-knowing federal government is now pushing to raise the alcohol level to 15%. This will naturally continue to push up the price of certain foods and meats, but I don't want to get into the political arena here.

 

In 2005, the Renewable Fuels Standard mandated a fixed amount of ethanol to be used for the amount of gas produced (the required amount was increased again in 2007 with the EISA law). This was intended to push E85 production, but because there was so little E85 demand at the time, the logical way to distribute the amount of ethanol they were required to use was by blending most gas into E10. And E85 use isn't increasing enough to compensate for the law's increasing total ethanol amounts, hence the push to E15.

 

Ethanol production accounted for 0.5% to 0.8% of food prices in '08. Wish they had current info with the current high corn prices.

 

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/defau...57/04-08-ethanol.pdf

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Originally Posted by edsnova:

Damn corn lobby!

No doubt they support it, though more the law of "unintended" consequences. (What they wanted isn't necessarily in the law). The big change in the 2007 revision was actually to push cellulose biofuels. Nice chart of the required amounts: http://www.c2es.org/federal/ex...ewable-fuel-standard

 

Of course, the US doesn't actually produce enough cellulose biofuels to meet even the current requirement, so they're getting temp waivers for more ethanol.

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Originally Posted by carlberry:

oldyeler,

 

Please flesh out for the ignorant (me) exactly what "carb junkie carb kits are"...and where and how acetone is used as an antedote for water sputtering??

 

( my practical brother reminds me that I should of bought a KIA!) 

Acetone absorbs water so it can be burned just like the methanol or isopropanol in something like HEET.

Originally Posted by oldyeler:

You do have to be careful around your paint work.  it will eat it up  it will als eat aluminum as well as the deposits someone mencion . Added to a full tank no more than 6 oz's and only if you have water in the fuel   It does work better than Heet.

 

Carb Junkie . com  Offers many kinds of carb Viton kits.  as used in the Brazila Fusca VW beetle set up for Ethanol.. Some were injected  some were carbed they tried it all..

 

One more note! You  need to run the car out of gas the same week if at all possable  sooner  and hope the refuel is water free

 

 

Heck with a Kia.. Can ya work on It?  i can work on a Vw it's not rocket science.

 

Oh and Mazda RX rotoreys dont like  ethanol eather they blend oil into the fuel as they run  .  i'd classify then 2 cycle as well.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Barry S (Goofycat):

They don't qualify as an "advanced biofuel" (aka non-corn ethanol) under EISA because natural gas and coal isn't a renewable source. Which is kind of the point to a "Renewable Fuel Standard".

 

And their product isn't illegal. It's just that it wouldn't sell much because they're already required to blend in more renewable (corn) ethanol than they'd like. So why would the oil companies buy it when he says it'll be $0.70 more per gallon than the corn ethanol they're currently using. Just a rent-seeker whining. Not that that excuses others of the same.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by oldyeler:
Originally Posted by oldyeler:
Oh and Mazda RX rotoreys dont like  ethanol eather they blend oil into the fuel as they run  .  i'd classify then 2 cycle as well.

What? 2-cycle has nothing to do with what's in the fuel. The Wankel is a 4-cycle engine.

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