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Been under my car a lot recently and just noticed that my exhaust has a hole in it. It did run a little rough when I bought it, but I figured the carb (single-dual progressive weber) was running a bit rich.

The hole looks manufactured (drilled) and I don't recall if something was there before. My (PO) receipt shows the exhaust was bought in 2012 (from CIP1) and has 3,600 mile on it.

This is the exhaust.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDe...ductCode=ACC%2D35067

Maybe a VW metal logo tab was there (from the link pic) and has fallen off?

 

Anyway, this is a 1 1/4" exhaust and wanted to know can If I replace/bolt on with 1 1/2" exhaust system/muffler? Reading reviews here, I was looking at the tri-mil (1 1/2") as a temp replacement for now until a plan for a larger engine. The engine is a stock 1500 upgraded to a 1600 dual port with single-dual weber progressive. No cam or internal info outside of the dual-port head upgraded.

1957 CMC Speedster Wide body.

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Originally Posted by ALB:

You're right, it looks like something was there before. Is the hole threaded? I don't see any reason someone couldn't weld a patch over it. You'll lose some low end/midrange torque with a 1 1/2" exhaust; if you replace what you have, a 1 3/8" header will run best on your 1600. 

I don't see any threads, but looks drilled (perfect circle). The speedster came with this CIP1 1 1/4 now, so a 1 3/8 would run best with a single 1600? I'd like a it to run a little better and my help my carb issue. Wonder if the tri-mill runs a 1 3/8" size?

Originally Posted by WOLFGANG - ‘13 CMC FWB, FL:

Has car been running - doesn’t look like exhaust leaks out there (does it?).  Easily welded with patch.

It was running fine through the power band (little rough at idle). Felt like I have a aggressive cam it, but my background is in motorcycles, ran a bit loud, but I liked it—I don’t know any better on how these are suppose to sound. Got a comment from one of the mechanics at the shop that hosed me on my ball joint replacement that “your car doesn’t sound like a VW!”

 

Ran into a carb/running problem after first fill up and engine was now puttering along, now won’t start. I started a carb issue thread in the engine section on that.

Some loctites are temp resistant, but I know you use heat to loosen most of them up to remove whatever (nut, bearing, etc), so maybe some aluminall type epoxy might be better?

 

And yes, 1 3/8" is right for your engine/rpm range. As I said earlier, 1 1/2" would be too big; it will run (and seem to run great, especially in the upper end rpm's) but won't make as much torque down low. You may not even notice it, but mileage will go down a bit. Remember, the bottom end/midrange part of the powerband is where we do most of our driving.

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Originally Posted by ALB:

Some loctites are temp resistant, but I know you use heat to loosen most of them up to remove whatever (nut, bearing, etc), so maybe some aluminall type epoxy might be better?

 

And yes, 1 3/8" is right for your engine/rpm range. As I said earlier, 1 1/2" would be too big; it will run (and seem to run great, especially in the upper end rpm's) but won't make as much torque down low. You may not even notice it, but mileage will go down a bit. Remember, the bottom end/midrange part of the powerband is where we do most of our driving.

ALB. Thanks. Still learning about these VW engines and what works with what. I'd rather keep my low and mid range then top. I'll try Ted's idea to patch with a bolt, but with some thermal epoxy I'll try to find. If it holds before a new engine then I'll wait on a new exhaust replacement. If I do get a new exhaust for this engine then I'll assume that the 1 3/8 will bolt up (with new flange) as the current 1 1/4 I have without modification. Thanks again for the recommendation.

Here you go:

 

Loctite® 2422™ High Temperature, Medium Strength Blue Threadlocker

  • Locks and seals threaded fasteners in applications that require continuous temperature resistance of up to 650°F
  • Paste formula comes in a convenient syringe for easy dispensing
  • Locks and seals threaded fasteners in applications that require continuous temperature resistance up to 650°F
  • This high strength threadlocker comes in a convenient syringe for easy dispensing

I imagine that part of the exhaust gets hot but not as hot as right out of the heads. That's just a big resonator/expansion chamber. Start with the red stuff and then if that doesn't hold, go with the JB quick stet.

 

Giddy up!

Scott- FYI- With a bigger engine (2 liters +) you don't have to worry about the bottom end/midrange nearly as much, as the bigger engines have more inherent torque (just because of their size), and can be built for higher revs/power (if that's your intent and budget!). With the smaller engines you have to watch that you don't end up with a mismatched "combo" (there's that word again!), as it's easier to destroy the "driveability" (is that even a word?).

 

And Ron's right; if there's nothing to thread to, loctite's not going to help. My thought was more along the lines of if you could find a bolt that touched the sides of the muffler case, the epoxy might hold it in place. A trip to the muffler shop would be the best fix. That way you could save buying a new exhaust for when you upgrade to more power!

 

Since we're talkin exhaust sizes, this chart is compliments of Jim Beahm and Hot VW's-

 

 

header size chart

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Scott - try one of those toggle bolts that you use to attach stuff to your wall (drywall).

 

Get a fender washer that covers the hole, bend it a bit to match the muffler contour, remove the phillips screw from the toggle (spring loaded) and replace with similar size bolt, place the washer between the toggle and bolt head.

 

Insert toggle into muffler (as you would insert into your wall), when inserted toggle flips open inside muffler, position toggle it so that it is horizontal so that will will sit flush against the inside of the muffler, tighten bolt!   

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Originally Posted by Anthony:

good suggestion but you can an electrical box plug that size and do the same thing.

i noticed in your pictures that the motor is missing the lower tins. these tins attach the heater box lower tabs to the case. Otherwise the heater box will vibrate and rock on the exhaust tube which can be annoying.

Yep. There were missing when I bought the car. Planned on getting them. They are just the 2 flat plates right? Not the full "l" shaped ones I seen on some part site that connect together?

 

Originally Posted by DannyP:

If it was me, I'd get an O2 sensor bung welded in there, they come with a threaded plug. This allows you to put a sensor in, check your mixture at different rpms and loads for jetting. Then when you're done, put the plug in and forget about it.

 

Bung and plug is like $10 or so at Jeg's.

Good suggestion, I have them in stock if you need one. most muffler shops have them also.

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