Lane Anderson posted:The heavier wheels/tire combination increases unsprung weight, which I would expect affects the ride adversely. Everyone I've spoken to about the superwides says the ride is very rough.
I'd bet my 7" Fuchs are lighter then your 5" steelies.
Update, I sent an email to VS this am and within about an hour Kirk from VS called me. He was great explaining different options and opinions. He then sent me 2 photos of a wide and "extra wide" bodies. I will post those here. the blue is wide with smaller flares, the black is the x wide w flares. 
"I'd bet my 7" Fuchs are lighter then your 5" steelies." Possibly, but the very low profile, wide rear wheels on the superwide are probably pretty heavy despite being aluminum. Also, the taller sidewalls on the old-style wheels help quite a bit with the harshness.
Either way, these are Julio's and Ndependant's calls and these cars are not exactly about practicality. Appearance is a great part of the attraction.
That's my Black Betty #2 in the picture Kirk sent. Here are all the pictures and video.
I think if you're going to have a wide body the VS super wide body is the only way to go.
Did someone say, Let's Go All the Way."?
Im not just going for the wide look. Im trying to build a raw, mechanical race based car. Steel rivet surfaces. exposed mechanicals, bare minimal race car looks. The wider rear with little to no flares up front, tubbed and low stance etc. The buttoned up exact replicas are awesome to look at, but Im not trying to recreate an exact car but more of a porsche racer.
Ndpendant posted:Im not just going for the wide look. Im trying to build a raw, mechanical race based car. Steel rivet surfaces. exposed mechanicals, bare minimal race car looks. The wider rear with little to no flares up front, tubbed and low stance etc. The buttoned up exact replicas are awesome to look at, but Im not trying to recreate an exact car but more of a porsche racer.
ND, look up Ken Vellas "Wicked 356"
I had similar aspirations (as you) for my car, but then I got married and had to consider the new wife's input.
I'm just glad she loves my passion for it...
I also second the above, talk to Alan "Dr. Clock" Merklin.
With a screaming motor and the "Mendeola suspension!
Anyone have pictures of Desi's wide body filled with really nice aluminum
Troy;
Who's muffler system is in your Black Betty #2 ?
Art
This might interest Paul. There is a fiberfab on ebay with no reserve. NIce project car maybe for the racer that he is intending to build. Link here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replic...mp;item=262368494085
Troy can you comment on the Super Wide body ride? I'm split between the 'look' and the performance. Having never owned one of these cars before I have to be very careful. Definitely not doing the traditional speedster look. My quote is:
"To be Wide or Super Wide?"
Thanks all for the valuable input.
art posted:Troy;
Who's muffler system is in your Black Betty #2 ?
Art
It had the standard Tri-mill exhaust. I sold that car 2 or 3 years ago.
Julio B. posted:This might interest Paul. There is a fiberfab on ebay with no reserve. NIce project car maybe for the racer that he is intending to build. Link here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replic...mp;item=262368494085
Troy can you comment on the Super Wide body ride? I'm split between the 'look' and the performance. Having never owned one of these cars before I have to be very careful. Definitely not doing the traditional speedster look. My quote is:
"To be Wide or Super Wide?"
Thanks all for the valuable input.
You really need to drive your friends car and decide for yourself, but the ride in a regular body car is a little better, not quite as stiff.
I've said about everything I can in this thread. I'm backing out of it.
This is a nice engine. Wonder how it runs?
Thanks Troy.
crhemi (Bill) posted:Ndpendant posted:Im not just going for the wide look. Im trying to build a raw, mechanical race based car. Steel rivet surfaces. exposed mechanicals, bare minimal race car looks. The wider rear with little to no flares up front, tubbed and low stance etc. The buttoned up exact replicas are awesome to look at, but Im not trying to recreate an exact car but more of a porsche racer.
ND, look up Ken Vellas "Wicked 356"
I had similar aspirations (as you) for my car, but then I got married and had to consider the new wife's input.
I'm just glad she loves my passion for it...
I also second the above, talk to Alan "Dr. Clock" Merklin.
With a screaming motor and the "Mendeola suspension!
Anyone have pictures of Desi's wide body filled with really nice aluminum
I just finished a 3 year long ugly divorce so i dont have to give a flying F$&#K what her input is! Happy car time! My last 2 cars were very firm suspension cars and broke your rear end but loved every minute of it. Full Kevlar seats and 9 hours from maryland to chicago was great!
crhemi (Bill) posted:Ndpendant posted:Im not just going for the wide look. Im trying to build a raw, mechanical race based car. Steel rivet surfaces. exposed mechanicals, bare minimal race car looks. The wider rear with little to no flares up front, tubbed and low stance etc. The buttoned up exact replicas are awesome to look at, but Im not trying to recreate an exact car but more of a porsche racer.
ND, look up Ken Vellas "Wicked 356"
I had similar aspirations (as you) for my car, but then I got married and had to consider the new wife's input.
I'm just glad she loves my passion for it...
I also second the above, talk to Alan "Dr. Clock" Merklin.
With a screaming motor and the "Mendeola suspension!
Anyone have pictures of Desi's wide body filled with really nice aluminum
WIll definately take a look, thank you
Ndpendant posted:crhemi (Bill) posted:Ndpendant posted:Im not just going for the wide look. Im trying to build a raw, mechanical race based car. Steel rivet surfaces. exposed mechanicals, bare minimal race car looks. The wider rear with little to no flares up front, tubbed and low stance etc. The buttoned up exact replicas are awesome to look at, but Im not trying to recreate an exact car but more of a porsche racer.
ND, look up Ken Vellas "Wicked 356"
I had similar aspirations (as you) for my car, but then I got married and had to consider the new wife's input.
I'm just glad she loves my passion for it...
I also second the above, talk to Alan "Dr. Clock" Merklin.
With a screaming motor and the "Mendeola suspension!
Anyone have pictures of Desi's wide body filled with really nice aluminum
I just finished a 3 year long ugly divorce so i dont have to give a flying F$&#K what her input is! Happy car time! My last 2 cars were very firm suspension cars and broke your rear end but loved every minute of it. Full Kevlar seats and 9 hours from maryland to chicago was great!
Lol! After the first wife, I bought two speedsters...Go getem boy!
Has anyone taken a non flared body kit, split it and widened it 6"-8" with additonal material down the center? I know that now youre getting in to trunk lids and windshield issues etc....
A couple of pie cuts outside of the lid would be a better way. And it's been done that way by Beck or IM if I recall.
Yeah, if you look at the build for Bob's IM-6, it shows those pie cuts. Very subtle, when done. It's in here, somewhere around 2:06:
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Does this help you to visualize the cuts. Much easier than slicing the whole body even if that would be a neet job to contemplate and I would love to see someone widen this car 6 inches fully that would be a real hoot. I would even go for at least two three more inches as well to the interior.
As we age we are getting wider
that might be a solution.
Ray
Thunder Ranch did one for a "Big Man". Black with the horn grilles and turn signal lights in the engine compartment, suicide doors...
Henry does those 'pie cuts' for his 911 based cars. Widening the rear fenders, and moving the rear wheel openings back, gives sufficient room to install the 911 suspension and engine.
He also will do a complete wide body if requested.
"He also will do a complete wide body if requested." Bob are you referencing the last build "Jonathan" .. or is it something else you are referencing?
Al;
Looks like they added a skirt in the back and a wind scoop . O U T L A W
Yeah, Art, there's a lot done to that car. I'd love to see it finished.
Bill- Why is the same pic posted 5 times?
Bill, I think it would have been easier to thicken the doors too and you then could have had quite the storage in those doors never mind hidden compartments or even more width in the body Ray
The pie cut is exactly how my dad and the guys at ENVEMO widened the rear of the C cab.
Carey, measure 5x, cut one time, carefully.
ALB posted:Yeah, Art, there's a lot done to that car. I'd love to see it finished.
Bill- Why is the same pic posted 5 times?
Bill- Why is the same pic posted 5 times?
It makes it five times better than just one!
Sorry, that's just how it copied.
Troy Sloan posted:Ok. There it is. Every Speedster flare version has been represented in this thread.
Theron lock the thread and put it in the Knowledge base, so we don't have to keep answering the same question. Thank you.
Thank you, this really helps a lot in seeing the differences! Nd
