FUEL TANK replacement

Vintage Speedsters?

Mark

 

I just completed an update on my CMC by adding a 12.5 gallon gas tank from http://www2.cip1.com/ It required no modifications, fit right in, used a proprietary cap (add'l $12.95) and cost $129.95. While I was at it I replaced the mesh filter (got the all metal one), kit for the larger (8mm) outlet pipe w/ nut and washer, tank to body gasket and new hold downs. The whole deal was about $200.00.

 

I have to thank Wolfgang for the advice - worked out well.

 

Paul

 

 

good deal, I havent decided if Im going that route or fuel cell typ route, but it's good to know that taks fits nicely.how is the quality? where is it made?Im just not sure i want a steel tank in it unless it's coated for crosion inside.but that isant a problem just some extra $$.can you see if it was glavionized steel? and I may ad an exernal filler to mine,Im not real keen on filling in the trunk.I cant seem to not piss alover my fenders as it is.

Paul--congrats on the new fuel tank.  Did the gas gauge sender work---did you use the old one?

 

Do you carry a spare tire in your trunk?  I use one of the smaller "donut" spares and wonder if it will still fit in the trunk if I go with the larger tank.

 

Sounds like you are very happy with your choice---good going!

Jack - Fix a Flat (no spare). Someone once mentioned that is why you have road service - I don't. I have VDO (914) gauges and the VDO sending unit fits fine. I even bought a new VW sending unit that fit but didn't work with the VDO gauge. Went back to the original sender. Both line up with the holes. The sender has tabs that can be adjusted in or out to change maximum swing range.

 

Mark - I don't think it is galvanized inside but that is why they make ethanol fuel treatments. The '66 tank I took out was 47 years old and had no rust. Hold the nozzle pointing up, don't sniff the fumes and rotate at the last moment - I really have not had a problem when filling while sober. Who knows where it was made - the company is called California Import Parts located in Washington state and their warehouse and shipping comes from Vancouver, BC (I hope I spelled that right). Go figure.

 

Paul

The large capacity tank I got from CIP1 was made in Brazil.  Stamping was rougher (lots of wrinkles) than the smooth OEM tank.  I still need to lower or move the 24 series battery in mine to fit the donut spare. I'd like to move it to the front passenger's side wheel wheel (a la Oldyeler).

I want a spare tire---not a can of Fix A Flat.  That's why I have a spare.  My question was to Paul about whether his car used a spare tire and if so, did it fit with his new fuel tank.

 

Paul?

Paul,

Can you post a link to the page at cipi website that show the tank and additional parts that you ordered.

and please confirm that it required no modification/cutting the corner off, shorter, etc..

i'm basically going to order everything and have it delivered to my mechanic to install...unless you think its a simple install to be done in home garage...?

Jack

 

No, I do not carry a spare. Without modification and relocating the battery it won't work. Sure is nice knowing I can go  50%  further - it makes life a little less anxious - now I'll start worrying about a flat. Maybe I have just been lucky.

 

Paul

Mark

 

I'll get that info, as soon as, I can. Still trying to figure out how to cut and paste between SOC and CIP1 website. If necessary I'll give you the part numbers.

 

Be back later today.

 

Paul

Mark

 

Here is a list of part #'s:

 

    ACC-C10-2510           12.5 gallon gas tank          $129.95

    ACC-C10-2508          replacement gas cap          $ 12.95

    VWC-113-201-635-4   mounting clips                  $   7.96

    VWC-111-209-147-A   metal filter (German qual)  $   6.36

    VWC-113-919-133      sender gasket & screws      $   4.76

 

S&H extra - about $50.00 to Maryland

 

To get to web site go to www2.cip1.com

 

just enter part #'s for  description. It is not the smoothest operating site in the world but it works - fiddle around a little.

 

My tank surface was pretty smooth - not unlike the one I replaced. Maybe they are coming from China and are smoother than the ones from Brazil. Anything is possible.

 

Good luck

 

Paul

 

 

I think this is the one Paul was talking about, I am going this route myself instead of cutting down the original style tank.

tank

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDe...ode=ACC%2DC10%2D2510

 

cap

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDe...ode=ACC%2DC10%2D2508

yep

 that's it

 you beat me by 16 seconds

Paul

Thanks, Paul.  With my 8 gallon tank I can go 200 miles so I usually stop at 175 miles which takes me about 2 1/2 hours.  On a long trip I' never disappointed to stop every 2 1/2 hours but the extra range has always tempted me but not enough to give up my spare tire.

 

Good luck---enjoy your Speedster!

Jack here you go -

Perfect!

Paul or Wolfgang

Could you please take a pic of your newly installed fuel tank ?

It would be helpful to see the setup
Thanks

See wrinkles in visible mounting flange on first picture.  These wrinkles all seem to be well sealed - just looks like a huge press spat them out quickly.

Mark

 

I am in Ocean City, MD this week and the Speedster is at home. I know, but it is 95 degrees and bumper to bumper traffic. Will send  pics when we get back home next week. My tank is very similar to Wolfgang's.

 

Paul

woof those are not wrinkles, there there for strength so the flangeing dosent bend, if it bends it has a greater chance of leeking.most american cars have a turndown ear there to stiffen the welded aera, no room tor turnd down ears in vw's they might get steped on.

Hi guys

I got the 12 gallon tank per your suggestion
It's too tall
Hood won't shut
Any other suggestion on where to get a smaller tank like the one I currently have?

I got a repro '67 tank, took it by the local muffler shop and they cut it down for 20 bucks.

 

I have a Street beasts build widebody kit and the Beetle barn up here has informed me that the problem is the space available or the belly of the tank is the problem and not the neck ...??
Somebody help me!!

I've done two Street Beast's...Set tank into the opening, mark the underside at the clearance areas...gently apply one large rubber mallet until you have adjusted the tank...yeah you loose a bit of capacity but it will fit.

I's sure Alan's suggest will wok to get it to sit properly.  Some folks have had to grind (Dremel) a hole above the filler cap for clearance.  The hood is double layer with a hollow void.  That give you maybe 1.5" more.

This is the tank that is currently in my STREET BEASTS

does this look right?

Clearly not factory....

This is what currently fits into my car...

Any suggestions??

 

Mark

 

I feel bad that I talked you into trouble. Is the tank flange seating on the opening or is the interference below? I will have to slightly modify my decklid when I get home to have good clearance on the cap but it does shut now. Try to determine exactly where you are hitting.

 

I did have to slightly trim the corners on the front edge.

 

Oh it just occurred to me - did you place the tank with the filler to the rear? That is where it goes - it won't close if you put the filler to the front. The cap should be closest to the firewall on the passenger side. Hope this helps.

 

Paul

Paul

I appreciate your help in the first place and don't blame you or anything.

 

DID YOU SEE THE PIC?

That's the underside of the tank.

no tank comes that way from the factory...correct? The new one has a nice flat bottom..without a wedge of it missing..

 

what do you think?

 

Mark

I agree, the flange or "wedge" is sure different than mine. I think you need a pro to advise re:flattening that. I am afraid that I would have returned it. Where did you purchase it? The one I bought from CIP is identical to the original from the mounting flange to the bottom - it is just taller above the flange.

 

Keeps posted.

 

Paul

Mark-

 

That tank has clearly been modified. A section was cut out, and sheetmetal welded back in.

 

If it requires that to fit, then you'd need to match it on your new tank, and that would mean a trip to a good welding shop, and a couple hundred dollars (unless you have a tig welder laying around-- I wouldn't try to mig anything thinner than 16 ga unless you're really good).

MarkV,

 

I think you're right - no stock tank looks like that and I'd hazard a guess that most speedster replicas use stock tanks with no modification apart from the filler neck. 

 

The question is, what does that tank have to clear that's not in other speedster replicas? If it was cut and welded to accomodate something non-essential and easy to change (like a hidden humidor for smuggling Cohibas over the border) then maybe you could remove whatever that is and use a tank that holds more. 

This is another image of what is blocking the tank

It is part of the body and is into the passenger compartment.

Ah...the joys of buying a kit car from a previous owner...

 

Is that an amplifier or s/th?

On a VW that's where the tunnel frame head called Napoleon's Hat is.  On a VW it seems to sit back further and is only a inch or 2 wide.  Street Beasts made their own frame and that looks like their take on the Napoleon's hat.  It looks quite substantial so appears you will have to modify the tank's bottom.  DrClock/Alan M. has build an SB - not sure if he would recall any issues like this that he encountered. You could cut fiberglass out where the battery goes and install a fuel cell there.  It would be low and forward so would help weight balance - but potential fire risk in front of axle I'd think.