Long-awaited Coopty photos -- I'll throw down some details later. Stephan, you're prohibited from even looking at these fine, spray-paint-laden images until you say you're sorry for that Hummer thing.
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Long-awaited Coopty photos -- I'll throw down some details later. Stephan, you're prohibited from even looking at these fine, spray-paint-laden images until you say you're sorry for that Hummer thing.
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I'm a little confused. That is an absolutely restorable car. Find a shitty one. Cutting up this removes one more old coupe from circulation and is guaranteed to piss off every 356 guy you'll ever meet. OK, obviously I'm feeling a bit negative this morning my speedstah brother. I'll go get a cup of coffee and see if I view this in a different light.
angela
angela
That has fun written all over it and it comes with a free "smoke kettle" to boot. You're gonna be busy.
Cory, my sawz-all-wielding, cutting-torch-popping, sheet-metal-bending, body-tab-welding, insane-in-the-membrane, fabricating-mf'r BRUTHA!!
...wish I lived close enough to help with the Coopty project. The shop where you'll be working on Coopty will here-by be dubbed "Area 51 Part Deux".
...wish I lived close enough to help with the Coopty project. The shop where you'll be working on Coopty will here-by be dubbed "Area 51 Part Deux".
Sorry Cory, but I agree with Angela on this one. That coupe looks very good and solid; I'd restore it if I were you. Get a nose and off you go....
Dude,
I'm (somewhat) reserving judgement until you let us know just how much of that stuff in the photos comes with the car, but . . . nearly every piece of suspension brakes, steering etc. that MIGHT be removed from that car by the seller, can be easily replaced with pre-'67 Beetle parts. I can tell you that there's more work in cutting and gutting that car than there would be in reinforcing/restoring the body for Outlaw purposes. Also, depending upon how much is yours to keep, there's a LOT of money to be made in selling the bits and pieces already in those photos to fund the conversion to Outlaw specs. Take a breath here . . . talk to me . . . I went through all of this with my '65 SC.
A nice quick shot of silver paint and a stock motor replacement on the Hoopty will make for a pretty quick sale and a nice chunk of change. Save the motor and a little of that cash to throw at the Coopty and you'll come out WAY ahead and happy as well/hell.
Oh . . . and regardless, given the sweet condition of that body, your STUPID idea for gull wing doors HAS to GO ! ! ! ! Way too Tina New!
I'm (somewhat) reserving judgement until you let us know just how much of that stuff in the photos comes with the car, but . . . nearly every piece of suspension brakes, steering etc. that MIGHT be removed from that car by the seller, can be easily replaced with pre-'67 Beetle parts. I can tell you that there's more work in cutting and gutting that car than there would be in reinforcing/restoring the body for Outlaw purposes. Also, depending upon how much is yours to keep, there's a LOT of money to be made in selling the bits and pieces already in those photos to fund the conversion to Outlaw specs. Take a breath here . . . talk to me . . . I went through all of this with my '65 SC.
A nice quick shot of silver paint and a stock motor replacement on the Hoopty will make for a pretty quick sale and a nice chunk of change. Save the motor and a little of that cash to throw at the Coopty and you'll come out WAY ahead and happy as well/hell.
Oh . . . and regardless, given the sweet condition of that body, your STUPID idea for gull wing doors HAS to GO ! ! ! ! Way too Tina New!
I mean this in the kindest way possible.
You people suck.
I had an attack of conscience and called Tif's this morning. I told his missus I'd rather help him reatore the car than hack it up. I had a really long think about it before I made the call.
Darn you people. Darn you for being really honest. There was a little red devil on my left shoulder (TC) inspiring my SawsAll to do the job, and a little white angel (what the hell did she have to lose? She's got that butt-kickin' Spyder) on the other one ... Then TC went and switched sides. And Ricardo ...
Geez. First the 911E, and now this. Fooey. Ball's in his court again, but if it comes to me, it'll get a resto-job and the Hoopty may get sacrificed to fund it.
Bruce, Jim ... There's always the next one that comes along.
(SOMEONE lie to me! Tell me it's still a good idea! Would anybody carp if I hacked up an Envemo for its shell?)
I forgot this photo earlier. It's our own Kelly Frazer and Tif, proprietor of Tif's.
You people suck.
I had an attack of conscience and called Tif's this morning. I told his missus I'd rather help him reatore the car than hack it up. I had a really long think about it before I made the call.
Darn you people. Darn you for being really honest. There was a little red devil on my left shoulder (TC) inspiring my SawsAll to do the job, and a little white angel (what the hell did she have to lose? She's got that butt-kickin' Spyder) on the other one ... Then TC went and switched sides. And Ricardo ...
Geez. First the 911E, and now this. Fooey. Ball's in his court again, but if it comes to me, it'll get a resto-job and the Hoopty may get sacrificed to fund it.
Bruce, Jim ... There's always the next one that comes along.
(SOMEONE lie to me! Tell me it's still a good idea! Would anybody carp if I hacked up an Envemo for its shell?)
I forgot this photo earlier. It's our own Kelly Frazer and Tif, proprietor of Tif's.
Naysayers! He is going to restore it, in a way. Look, if I had the money and the garage space I would LOVE a 10-point coupe, but it would be mostly as a show car. What this man wants is a Hoopty that he can drive in the rain (I think). The most outlaw of outlaws, every detail exactly the way the man wants it.
Of course the original Porsche was and is a work of art, but it was also designed to be sold, in quantity. Cory's car is more of an evolving, adapting, living beast.
Of course the original Porsche was and is a work of art, but it was also designed to be sold, in quantity. Cory's car is more of an evolving, adapting, living beast.
NOOOOO! I was too late!
Cory, I know the Gulfwing Hummer was pretty strong medicine, so I got you a Bruce Jennings chaser. I think he would know what to do with that poor old coupe shell.
Cory, I know the Gulfwing Hummer was pretty strong medicine, so I got you a Bruce Jennings chaser. I think he would know what to do with that poor old coupe shell.
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Cory, I will tell you anything that you want to hear! CUT CHOP AND REBUILD, Eff everyone and their precious preconceived Pcar Envy and anticipatory notions. Hack it up and dwindle the volume! Cash in on the title and stay happy, and add a sunroof or a rag top! And yeah, get rid of that stupid yellow deck lid too. I will dispose of it properly too.
Believe that pix of B. Jennings was taken at Marlboro. A long time ago.
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Man, I get a little backed up with work and all this goes down?! Cory, screw what everyone else says, DO IT - DO IT NOW! Go get the saw ready and start cutting and welding, hurry, hurry!!!
I'm just messin with ya, if you cut that little car up I'll drive down there and do my best to kick your ass! I'm soooo with Angela, Jim and TC with this one. That car has gotten "Outlaw to kick all Outlaws asses" written all over it. Based on what you endured with the hoopty that thing will be a walk in the park and you'll be my idol because you'll have a sweet ass tricked REAL P-car! Not that you're not alread my idol, but you know what I mean.
On a side note - I talked to Jim the other day. I'll fill ya in later.
I'm just messin with ya, if you cut that little car up I'll drive down there and do my best to kick your ass! I'm soooo with Angela, Jim and TC with this one. That car has gotten "Outlaw to kick all Outlaws asses" written all over it. Based on what you endured with the hoopty that thing will be a walk in the park and you'll be my idol because you'll have a sweet ass tricked REAL P-car! Not that you're not alread my idol, but you know what I mean.
On a side note - I talked to Jim the other day. I'll fill ya in later.
Okay, so what IS the difference between an outlaw and just a butcher job? How does Cory's concept fit into one or the other of those categories?
Even the 356 Registry acknowledges outlaws: http://www.356registry.org/Articles/Emory/cool.html
The Registry also states that over 78,000 356s were made and that around half are still in existence. That's nearly 40,000 of 'em, with many top restorations and museum quality cars. Will it actually make a difference if one -- currently being stripped for parts and that may otherwise sit in the humid weather of Maryland to slowly dissolve -- is rescued and modified?
Whatcha think?
Even the 356 Registry acknowledges outlaws: http://www.356registry.org/Articles/Emory/cool.html
The Registry also states that over 78,000 356s were made and that around half are still in existence. That's nearly 40,000 of 'em, with many top restorations and museum quality cars. Will it actually make a difference if one -- currently being stripped for parts and that may otherwise sit in the humid weather of Maryland to slowly dissolve -- is rescued and modified?
Whatcha think?
Okay. I have some time available to me now.
The coupe in the pictures is the one that got dropped in Tif's lap last fall. He had said that he wanted one, and somebody gave up on this car here. Apparently, he got it for relatively short money.
There's no VIN. I've got one; that works out well for me. There's a complete interior minus knobs and carpet (I'm talking about seats, doodads and gauges; knobs I could go to TC for ...) and there's a full suspension setup -- even good shocks -- supporting a functional transaxle and shift linkage. I've seen various things I like sitting where they're supposed to be; the umbrella handle, the shift components above the transaxle, the condition of the axle tubes, the light crust protecting what looks like good chassis enamel or paint.
So, all things considered, it looks like a good nose-job, some baking soda blasting and some wiring and trim, and the car's back in streetable form within months instead of years.
If it was in terrible condition and all he was going to do was part it out, that'd be different. I found out a few things yesterday that kinda make me reluctant to take it off his hands, now that I've had time to digest the visit, the car and his comments.
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The coupe in the pictures is the one that got dropped in Tif's lap last fall. He had said that he wanted one, and somebody gave up on this car here. Apparently, he got it for relatively short money.
There's no VIN. I've got one; that works out well for me. There's a complete interior minus knobs and carpet (I'm talking about seats, doodads and gauges; knobs I could go to TC for ...) and there's a full suspension setup -- even good shocks -- supporting a functional transaxle and shift linkage. I've seen various things I like sitting where they're supposed to be; the umbrella handle, the shift components above the transaxle, the condition of the axle tubes, the light crust protecting what looks like good chassis enamel or paint.
So, all things considered, it looks like a good nose-job, some baking soda blasting and some wiring and trim, and the car's back in streetable form within months instead of years.
If it was in terrible condition and all he was going to do was part it out, that'd be different. I found out a few things yesterday that kinda make me reluctant to take it off his hands, now that I've had time to digest the visit, the car and his comments.
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I said a while back that he was in the market for a bunch of 356 parts in order to resurect his old coupe, and that he was going to take pieces from this one to tinker around on the other one with them. He clarified that for me yesterday; he has a project in the shop that hasn't moved from the stall it's in for the last 20 years. It's a 912. I don't know how he came to own that car, but I now understand that the 912 was purchased in lieu of the original 356 coupe goal because it was inexpensive.
He said (back me up on this, Kelly) that he'd never had the money for the 356 racer he had hoped to buy in his younger years, and that the 912 was going to hopefully fill that void when he retires. (I don't think he was trying to dissuade me from taking the coupe for a song by telling me all that.)
I think he realized that 'someday' may not come for a while, and now he's got his hands full with the 912 if he wants to finish that one first; then here I come into the picture without fully realizing what the implications of my offer are.
So. There he was, minding his own business, when I offered him some probably lowball cabbage for the car of his dreams -- a blank slate to make a racer from -- with the intended goal of kerr-plopping the body on my kinda-sorta racer. He thought, correctly, that I could make that body work with what I already have.
I'm not scared, and I told him as much. Bodywork on a metal car isn't rocket-science, it's art.
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He said (back me up on this, Kelly) that he'd never had the money for the 356 racer he had hoped to buy in his younger years, and that the 912 was going to hopefully fill that void when he retires. (I don't think he was trying to dissuade me from taking the coupe for a song by telling me all that.)
I think he realized that 'someday' may not come for a while, and now he's got his hands full with the 912 if he wants to finish that one first; then here I come into the picture without fully realizing what the implications of my offer are.
So. There he was, minding his own business, when I offered him some probably lowball cabbage for the car of his dreams -- a blank slate to make a racer from -- with the intended goal of kerr-plopping the body on my kinda-sorta racer. He thought, correctly, that I could make that body work with what I already have.
I'm not scared, and I told him as much. Bodywork on a metal car isn't rocket-science, it's art.
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The silver car on the lot is one that the owner can't (apparently) afford to have finished, and Tif is now biding his time and waiting for the owner to make a decision.
Anyway, don't give up hope yet. My offer is still on the table. If that car (the black one) is going to leave Tif's shop, in whole or in part, it'll leave and come into my waiting arms. If it leaves intact, I'll give him enough cash to offset the build on the 912, and I'll feel better.
If it stays there and he decides to make his long-awaited race car out of it, then I'll help him build it -- because I believe in pursuing dreams. I'm driving mine, and he only has time to stare at his and watch it rust away.
I feel pretty good about this (despite sticking to my earlier opinion about you guys - lol).
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Anyway, don't give up hope yet. My offer is still on the table. If that car (the black one) is going to leave Tif's shop, in whole or in part, it'll leave and come into my waiting arms. If it leaves intact, I'll give him enough cash to offset the build on the 912, and I'll feel better.
If it stays there and he decides to make his long-awaited race car out of it, then I'll help him build it -- because I believe in pursuing dreams. I'm driving mine, and he only has time to stare at his and watch it rust away.
I feel pretty good about this (despite sticking to my earlier opinion about you guys - lol).
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... And Gene, the Emory coupes will always be my benchmark. I really like the treatment they give them.
Cory, I stickin to my guns......I say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsSG-Ctf9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsSG-Ctf9bw
Outlaw = STFU
Butcher Job = WTF
Cory = WTF so STFU!!!
BTW - When do operations begin at Area 51 Part Deux?
Butcher Job = WTF
Cory = WTF so STFU!!!
BTW - When do operations begin at Area 51 Part Deux?
As I like to say, start from the floor and reach for the stars.
You have proven your abilty to build a good car
Improve on hooptie and build a new car from the floor up . And don't forget to ask yourself what if! I also hope you can get your girl friend involved in it some how. You don't need to neglet her. during another build.
This is why I buit a replica and not a real one.
I knew I was going to do a few non concorse things. I tend to alter things a lot. But you took it to a new level with Hooptie
You have proven your abilty to build a good car
Improve on hooptie and build a new car from the floor up . And don't forget to ask yourself what if! I also hope you can get your girl friend involved in it some how. You don't need to neglet her. during another build.
This is why I buit a replica and not a real one.
I knew I was going to do a few non concorse things. I tend to alter things a lot. But you took it to a new level with Hooptie
hack this up
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=450601
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=464458
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I'm off to Alaska Monday. I'll be back on/about July 9th.
Nothing's going to happen with Area 51 until after the first of the year, anyhow ... But I'll be taking the sketch pad up to the Great White North. We'll see what I can dream up.
Right now, I'm having my butt kicked by the brake light problem. I have a fuse-blowing hot wire to the brake light switch itself -- and it's taken me a phone call to Oregon and six or so hours to diagnose that.
I pulled the spare switch I had in the tool bag, and as luck would have it ...
It's a dud.
AUUUGH. I am now out of ceramic fuses AND brake light switches. I'll be using the bicycle hand-signal method to get home tomorrow, and then the silver bird is grounded until I sort this out. As I said to Angela earlier, I may have to take this particular problem "to a guy."
As she said, that guy will probably be expensive.
"When will they ever learn ... when will they ehhhhver learn ..."
Nothing's going to happen with Area 51 until after the first of the year, anyhow ... But I'll be taking the sketch pad up to the Great White North. We'll see what I can dream up.
Right now, I'm having my butt kicked by the brake light problem. I have a fuse-blowing hot wire to the brake light switch itself -- and it's taken me a phone call to Oregon and six or so hours to diagnose that.
I pulled the spare switch I had in the tool bag, and as luck would have it ...
It's a dud.
AUUUGH. I am now out of ceramic fuses AND brake light switches. I'll be using the bicycle hand-signal method to get home tomorrow, and then the silver bird is grounded until I sort this out. As I said to Angela earlier, I may have to take this particular problem "to a guy."
As she said, that guy will probably be expensive.
"When will they ever learn ... when will they ehhhhver learn ..."
"...where have all the Hoopty's gone, gone no brake lights on?"
"...when will they ever learn, when will they eeeehhhhver learn?"
"...when will they ever learn, when will they eeeehhhhver learn?"
"...where have all the Hoopty's gone,"
Gone to junkyards, every one . . .
"...where have all the Hoopty's gone,"
Long, long time ago . . . .
Gone to junkyards, every one . . .
"...where have all the Hoopty's gone,"
Long, long time ago . . . .