Heads up on a 1911 Type 4

Just made a down payment on a new engine and there's only room for one engine in my Beck Speedster. A fresh, professionally built 1911 Type IV was initially installed and just fired up last July. It was so much fun I managed to put 3000 or so miles on it during that time before putting it to bed for the winter. Many of you may know the story, it's been documented in Shop Talk Forums in the Type4rum section, "Type IV into a Beck Speedster". It's a fine running (and looking) engine, I've got plenty of videos and photos all within the other forum and more if you need them. It was built with a Cali upright conversion with all tins powder coated black.
Weber 40's. It currently has a 1-5/8" Tangerine exhaust that has proven to be somewhat problematic for low end power. I'd suggest downsizing to 1-1/2" A-1. YES, I bought Oscar's-Raby 2666. It'll be delivered here in a week or so and then the transformation will be taking place over the next several months. So, the 1911 should be available within a month or so. The original was out of a 1.7 914. I just wanted more power, engine is basically brand new. Plenty of photos to see right here within my profile too.

Jebuz - you are going to see a MASSIVE power increase.

i have a T4 2.1L and it's more than enough.

congrats!

That I am Mango, as my mechanic said, I won't have to push the pedal all the way down anymore.

Rich, you're almost at that precipitous decision point again -- whether to tell your daughter to go to school for another year and come to Carlisle -- or watch a boring graduation ceremony.

(I'm here to tell you, kids her age forget things like that in minutes. Heh, heh, heh ...)

If I HAD a daughter...it would probably be a wedding I'd be attending!!!!!!!!!! It's my eldest son's graduation. Somethings just have to be done.

My mistake. I do wish you were going to be able to make it; maybe you can get him to drag his feet a little in class ... maybe a little summer school ...

cost?

That's a good question, Robert. I have yet to determine that. My wife is from Thailand, so maybe she could use it as carry-on baggage to save in shipping. I'll try to post a price by next week. I certainly know it's a losing proposition on my end because of the madness.

The only issue with a 1911 engine is that you will not have too much torque at the low end. It is based on a 66mm crank....which is 3mm LESS than a stock type 1 crank. The power of this engine will be made at higher RPM. I hope your tranny is geared on the lower side.

Mike

When you figure out the $$$, please post, Rich. Put as down as "also" interested.

angela

Just to keep you "interested" folks interested, here's a recent ride back in mid November with some pretty decent engine noise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3g6fcUTCW0&feature=g-upl&context=G2050b56AUAAAAAAAHAA

Then, after I rearranged my tripod, the journey continued.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAzZ8hFTisg&list=UUBe9cmEpdO8b9Bta04bia8w&index=7&feature=plcp

Mango, you of all people..."more than enough"...you keep raising the bar on all of us!

Alright, I've compiled the hand written invoice description of work verbatim. A couple of things pertain to my actual installation. The labor cost listed below does not reflect that work. I could e-mail scans of the invoice to any interested party showing prices for all individual parts. Specific manufacturers are not listed but I can probably find them out. Most parts were new. I could probably have my mechanic answer specific questions if needed. Local builder, excellent reputation with local Porsche guys here. FABSON AG

Inspect and clean engine parts, assemble 1911cc engine with all new bearings, Web-Cam 86A camshaft with new gear and lifters, have engine parts balanced, replace valve guides and perform valve job, clean up ports to match gaskets, modify rocker arms for 911 valve adjusting screws, install heavy duty oil pump and oil control pistons, have head fly cut for 96mm cylinders, install rocker arm spacers, modify engine tin for upright fan housing, sandblast engine tin and send out for powder coating, modify alternator stand and weld to base plate, modify engine pulley for Type 4 engine, modify oil cooler adapter, make up oil lines for oil cooler, install new Weber 40IDF carburetors, install rotary fuel pump, cut and fit aluminum sheet to engine compartment, install MSD ignition, modify transaxle mount to fit exhaust system, install new flywheel and clutch assembly, repair threads in steering wheel hub, adjust steering wheel box, modify right rear spring plate, perform 4 wheel alignment and adjust ride height, adjust carburetors and timing to get engine running, change oil and filter, adjust engine valves, make exhaust reducers, modify engine lid.

Close to $3700 in engine parts
Approximately $3300 in quality labor

PRICE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE EXHAUST SYSTEM.

This is a Joe Cali style upright conversion.

Total-$7000...so, make me an offer please.

Engine will not be available for 30 days or so depending on my mechanics schedule.

During my 3000 miles of driving since last July, driven in different climates, the engine runs extremely well with ABSOLUTELY NO COOLING ISSUES. The engine currently has a 1-5/8" exhaust system which has caused some issues with the tune. I have been told by some that a 1-1/2" system would probably rectify those issues. At this time the future plans were to try different jetting and more tuning in the spring.

This ad isn't going away...

So, if no one wants to buy my engine, maybe I should find someone who has a car without an engine to put this into. Any cool old bugs out there? This ad isn't going away.

you could try posting on http://www.TheSamba.com

Then of course, if someone out there had a Spyder-build that they were getting tired of working on...I'd have options. Leave the Type 4 in the Speedster and put the new (Type 4)engine in a Spyder. Just wondering out loud here about this ad that won't go away.

Hey, you, I've got a Type 4 for sale here. You interested?

Rich-

It's customary, when selling something, to name a price. Telling folks what you've got in something doesn't mean as much to them as it does to you.

You might be thinking, "Hey, I've got $7K in this, and it's got 1K mi on it. It's worth $6999". Alternately, you could be thinking, "Yeah, I've got $7K in this, but nobody else is likely to pay anything close to that for a sub 2L Type 4 they didn't get to spec or build. I'd take $500".

What you are thinking is probably somewhere in between. You'll need to name a price, or this ad WILL go away eventually.

Precisely Stan. I AM hoping for somewhere in the middle, that's why I DID mention within the ad to make me an offer. That's sort of a common way of approaching a sale I thought. I know I'm not going to get what I have into it, but feel most of the audience here has a sense for what it's worth and if interested would make me a reasonable offer. Personally I just don't think there's much of a market for anything right now. I'm just happy I'm not trying to sell a house. An engine in my garage I can live with for awhile. Am I being an annoyance with my comments to keep the ad from going to the bottom of the list? If so, I'll stop the practice. And, no, I'm not taking $500. You think I'm nuts!? Though I may have the madness.

Speaking as a guy who buys a lot more stuff than he sells through websites... a price is pretty much required, even if it's "$XXXX, OBO". It gives people an idea what you are thinking is fair. Otherwise, they have no idea what would be insulting-- and nobody wants to pay more than they have to for anything.

You're right about it being a buyer's market.

Sometimes, it IS best to sit on something you'll take a beating on. I've got a 2110 with 2500 miles on it on a pallet in my barn. I've got north of $5500 in it, and I'll bet a donut it wouldn't sell for more than $2500. For $3K, I decided 2 years ago to keep it.

... good thing, too. I bought a '64 panel last winter, and the 2110 will be going in this winter or next.

Rich, I think some people who may be buyers will shy away with the make me an offer strategy. Just my .02

I know selling this engine is a long shot in today's conditions. If someone really has an interest they will come forward. That's how I got Oscar's engine. I made a friendly introduction with him and he remembered me. He got back to me on his own terms and we struck a deal. Perhaps the same thing could happen with me. After all, the thing has only been up for sale for what? Ten days or so. If someone is looking for a good deal on a decent fresh engine, they'll get in contact with me. I'm feeling positive vibes. BESIDES, this is a Type 4 engine, not just your run of the mill type 1, let's get with the program gentlemen :-) And it ain't going for no $500 :-) I find I have to keep adding all these happy faces to make sure people don't think I'm so serious :-) about my comments :-) So, as the headline says, this is a heads-up on a 1911 Type 4. Make me an offer :-) a decent offer :-) $500 won't cut it.

Ok, I'll bite. $600.00

Rich-

FWIW, I said $500 to make a point. Just like $6999. You have a price in mind, why are you asking people to guess?

Stan, I'm not asking anyone to guess. I think it's pretty obvious to all that I paid $3500 in parts plus $3500 in labor (rounded off). Let's play Pawn Stars, I'd love to get $7000 (the museum curator just spoke), and I just paid that. Well you ain't getting that, Rich (says "the old man"). Well, what would you offer me? (asks me). Alright, HERE, I want $5500, I say, who wants to pay me $5500? (Chumly stands on the side smirking). Someone? Anyone? No one wants to pay me $5500? Make me another offer then. So...there's a number-$5500... Everyone happy now? No? You don't like that number? Make me an offer. Oh, ya :-), :-), :-). I won't be offended by an offer, it just ain't going for $500 and probably somewhere shy of $6999. :-) And now this ad is still near the top of the page unless I get pulled for insubordination. :-)

Bill, I respectfully decline your $600 offer, but feel free to make another offer. :-)

Marty? Did you post a price when you were trying to unload your Boxster?
I seem to remember you telling us about your optional expensive wheels, but I don't recall a price. :-)

Rich my man. My first post included a link to the sale ad listed on Porsche Excellence Magazine (with price). Less than 24 hours later Perspiration Lane asked my how much, and the price was listed:-o
http://speedsterowners.com/forum/readmsg.asp?t=22275

Good morning engine buyers :-)

Rich, if you know what you need out of it, that's what I'd list it for.

I'm assuming it's only going down the river after the new one gets a rated gearbox or an upgrade to your car's other systems; if that's the case, why not spec the new gearbox or your upgrades, see what they'll set you back, and then list the engine with a price that makes you happy?

Haggle from there until the price winds up being what'cha actually NEED out of it?

Dr. Gruber, I presume?

Rich: I am interested of course but rather seriously paranoid these days. To begin with I got the JCS engine a Typ1 but it was the most highly engineered 1914 cc that they offered. The cost was $4,200 turn key. It included the following

1914cc TK Rb 041 Hd Dual 40 E. 3,279.00
A.500 Powder coating YELLOW 249.00
9506 THIN LINE 3.5 Quart Deep Sump 139.00
9420 55 Amp Alt upgrade 79.00
Misc Color Kit blue 49.00 49.00T
9700 Compufire Ignition Module With Bosch Coil 59.00
9430 Electronic Engine Balance 139.00
SHP Crate Turnkey Shipping Crate 37Lx41Wx32H 75.00
SHP Freight Motor Freight Shipping & Handling 200.00
9403 Counterweighted 69mm Crank 120.00
Misc NEW Eagle 110 Cam with HI Performance lifters & Gear 110.00
Misc DYNO TUNE $225
Misc oil cooler kit with fan, 11"X11"X 11/2"170.00
Misc Full-Flow HD oil pump 0.00 0.00T

So there is a lot of study and education I have to come up to speed on replcing the engine. One way is to discuss the details with you. Then go to some of the other professionals such as Art Thraen ACE and the folks down near Helen GA.

So as a first salvo, please give me a call at your convenience and we can get started sorting this thing out. The Roller is in Saint Augustine and my mechanic John Anderson who is prepared to install any engine I send him that fits a Beck like yours. If you check my registry you can see what options the speedy has.

Anxiously awaiting your reply.

Speedstersam aka doc
Dr. Samuel H. Gruber
Division of Marine Biology and Fisheries
Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences
University of Miami 33149-1098
and
Bimini Biological Field Station Foundation
9300 SW 99 St
Miami FL 33176-2050
305 274 0628 office
305 799 9048 mobile
sgruber@rsmas.miami.edu
http://www.miami.edu/sharklab

Doc, I'll gladly give you a call to discuss your dilemma. Is Sunday evening sometime good to reach you? In the meantime I would suggest you read Type 4 Secrets Revealed to familiarize yourself with what a Type 4 is and it's advantages over Type 1. If I don't hear back here soon, I'll just try calling and hopefully catch you at a convenient time.

Seems like this fell off the radar screen, but it's still for sale.

DID WE EVER ESTABLISH A PRICE ON THIS BAD BOY?

Yes, somewhere between $600 and $5500. I'm willing to consider a FAIR offer. Work on new engine has commenced. Revenue from this could extend my madness.

For sale, make an offer. See details above.