!!HELP WITH KIT BIULDING

Hi all:

I'm in the process of importing a Mufacar kit from Brasil. The kit is designed to fit a "brasilia" (Brasil designed vw on a 104 chassis -the same used in early karmanns, some cms wider than beetle).

Recently bought a blue brasilia and some things for the speedster: tail lights, front lights, dash instruments, etc.

The problem: this car doesn't have subframe. Uses as building manual the 1984 CMC instructions.

Please help in preparing the subframe, need advise on tube sizes and guage, where to joint to the body, size and type of rivets, where and how to reinforce the fibeglass, well, any help is wellcome.

Thanks.

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Wow, that Brasilia would be cool to have in the states!

mufacar comes with a chasis already in place if ordered.

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-56132264-porsche-spyder-550-speedster-356-kitcar-mufacar-ch-replica-_JM

Yes Bruce, but according to colombian laws chassis + body = new car. Sporty look? ... more taxes (around 300%), so i need to import just the body (auto parts, tax just 16%)..
javier

Javier, you might have another option. The ENVEMO Super 90 was also built on a Brasilia chassis, but Carey Hines at Special Editions later made a tube frame which could replace the Brasilia chassis in that car. If you are interested, you could check with Carey and see if he has or could build you a tube frame for your project.

I forgot to say I live at Bogota, Colombia, SouthAmerica. Importing goods from USA uses to be very, very expensive.
By the other hand, Mr. Mufa is going to ship the body next week.

Javier, I understand your situation. I live in Belize and imported a Diablo bodyshell a few years ago for exactly the same reasons, as the duty rates here are almost the same as yours. I now have a Speedster body which I will import soon the same way. I don't have measurements of the subframe but it shouldnt be that difficult to construct. The thickest metal box section metal (square metal or tubular metal, whatever you call it) will be needed at the sills, horizontally (under where the doors go, to stop the body bending and to allow the doors to close without rubbing the body). Also the door pillars vertically as these will take the weight of the doors. I would use 2mm thick in these sections, and probably 1mm on the rest. But this is based on my experience of a VW bug pan, I dont know how the 104 varies. If the 104 dosent have the centre section where the front and rear suspension mount to then it will need more work and strength. If it were me I would fly to the USA and visit the company and take all the measurements, although I know this may not be practical for you. I hope someone can assist. Best of luck, Otto

American concept. Bribe. Pay the government employee to be ignorant of the chasis.

I think bribe is a moral problem for me. I am part of the medical comitee on ethical issues in this country

javier

So what's the problem? ;>)

Chassis is the "shipping bracing" not the sub frame chassis .
It's all in how you state the facts to the officials.

Have the frame shipped "knocked down" (in pieces/parts), complete
welding on arrival Columbia.

well, surfing through volkzone i found a wonderful drawing of a subframe. Please look at the steering side (is a british vw web site).

Correspondes and interpretes every subframe I have seen in photos.

javier

Basically that's what it looks like(basically) but I would follow the Mufacar a little more closely. These cars use the vw pan AND the supporting perimeter frame. The Mufacar frame does all. What does your donor car offer?

Hi Bruce:
The Mufacar tube chassis for spider is available now (that

Javier, if there are any specific dimensions I can offer, I will.

Wondelrul offering !!!! Thanks Cory.
There are various measures we (other kit builders and me) need. The first is the grossor or gauge and type of metal square tube needed. As english is not my first language, at night I will edit the drawing in order to identify the parts.

Thanks again
javier

here is the drawing with signaled areas where exists doubt about, lenght, gauge, size or all.
thanks again
javier

Hi All:

NEWS!! NEWS!!! FINALLY NEWS!!!!

After months of mails and phone calls to Brasil, it was not possible to buy the kit (Mr. Mufa answers to every thing with -no hay problema- (no problem) and after four months he did nothing!!!
I turned to a new fiberglass kit maker in MEXICO, Mr. Luis Urrutia Gutierrez (just U$ 1600 for the kit, U$ 380 for the metal subframe) almost U$1000 less than the brazilian provider.

Today the DHL people picked up the body etc. and will be shipping on cotober the 24th.

Mr. Urrutie Emaililed me some photos.... here I show one... I'm really exited!!

Javier:

That is terrific news!!

We hope to follow along on the web site as you build your car, and do whatever we can to help with information as you build.

Gordon

can you please provide a contact and webb adress for

Mr. Luis Urrutia Gutierrez

regards

BILL

Congrats Javier!!

I'm glad that finally worked out for you. :)

thank you all for the support and help offering. As soon as the kit arrive I will post new photos.
Mr. Urrutia has a web page: http://groups.msn.com/clasicosenfibradevidrio

As eveything with this car is not easy, the box resulted little and the had to build e new box for shipping.

javier leon

Javier
I am in the same boat here in Thailand, and my approach is to cut the Beetle pan forward of the VIN number and build a tube frame from that point forward c/w rack and pinion steering, coil over suspension, and A-arms. Since the VIN is still there, this allows retaining the Thai Beetle registration.
One could use the standard pan but mine has cancer, has been hit, and I wanted something special for my own car.

I have cloned a CMC wide body and its integral sub frame, which is welded to the new pan.
Sounds like this is the drawing you needed, and if the Mexican route does not work out give me a PM.

Hey Robert, you get everything ok? Havn't heard from you.

Ben

Robert:
Thanks for the offering
javier