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I want one as intact and clean as that. But I have a feeling that six days from now, that guy is going to get much more than $3,000 for that thing.
I do have a metal roach body I'm planning on hacking up (already sitting in Annaoplis) -- for much less than even this guy's would go for if it sold right now -- but I need every body panel forward of the dash. It's fire-damaged and it's been hit badly in the front, but that's fine for what I'm planning on doing.
I'm going to weld the crap out of its underside, anyway, and if it doesn't go as smoothly as I'm hoping, I'll get my money back from the scrap guy.
That black car is going to make somebody else very happy.
I do have a metal roach body I'm planning on hacking up (already sitting in Annaoplis) -- for much less than even this guy's would go for if it sold right now -- but I need every body panel forward of the dash. It's fire-damaged and it's been hit badly in the front, but that's fine for what I'm planning on doing.
I'm going to weld the crap out of its underside, anyway, and if it doesn't go as smoothly as I'm hoping, I'll get my money back from the scrap guy.
That black car is going to make somebody else very happy.
"I do have a metal roach body I'm planning on hacking up (already sitting in Annapolis)"
You DO !? !? !? !? Do TELL. Let's see some pics! Let's hear some plans? What goes ON here . . . ? (If it's hit in the nose, do a fiberglass tilt. If your unfamiliar with tilting body panels I'm sure that SOMEONE here on the site can help you out . . . ) Thought that you were hitting on a Notch, where'd you score this body? What year? What shape? Come ON Dude, spill some Boston Baked here.
You DO !? !? !? !? Do TELL. Let's see some pics! Let's hear some plans? What goes ON here . . . ? (If it's hit in the nose, do a fiberglass tilt. If your unfamiliar with tilting body panels I'm sure that SOMEONE here on the site can help you out . . . ) Thought that you were hitting on a Notch, where'd you score this body? What year? What shape? Come ON Dude, spill some Boston Baked here.
I know this guy. He's got a beautiful '64 coupe sitting in front of his shop. That car hasn't moved since September of last year, so I asked him how much and when I could have it.
He says he's got a Super 90 engine in the shop, and when he's done with the engine, he's going to put a lein on the car -- owner hasn't shown up in so long he may be demised -- and take it in trade for the money he's owed.
The car is unmodified and a survivor. Next time I'm down that way, I'll shoot a photo. While we were talking about that, his guy came out and took my car in for the pre-Carlisle brake job. I wandered around the lot with him, and asked what the hoodless wonder under the blue tarp in the corner might be. He said something like, "Oh, that's a POS someone dropped on my foot, hoping I could work a miracle."
"Is it yours now?"
"Until someone takes it off my hands, yes."
"How much do you want for it?"
"There's nothing there but a shell."
"Right. That's what I need."
"Uh. ... I'll call you when I make a decision."
"Fair enough. Will $100 hold it for me?"
"Don't worry about that. You'll be the only person I call."
I got the call, but I haven't carted the car out of there yet. He assured me it was going to be less than $500 changing hands. I just need a place to put it.
Odd and ironic as it may sound, I'm considering my back yard -- ala YOUR coupe's disposition. The shell's a '64 standard coupe, in black.
Blackened black, over charred black. It has rust accents and no chrome.
Oh, and I'll need a decklid. And some glass, knobs and doodads. And maybe some Saws-All blades. Et cetera; it's EXACTLY a blank slate.
He says he's got a Super 90 engine in the shop, and when he's done with the engine, he's going to put a lein on the car -- owner hasn't shown up in so long he may be demised -- and take it in trade for the money he's owed.
The car is unmodified and a survivor. Next time I'm down that way, I'll shoot a photo. While we were talking about that, his guy came out and took my car in for the pre-Carlisle brake job. I wandered around the lot with him, and asked what the hoodless wonder under the blue tarp in the corner might be. He said something like, "Oh, that's a POS someone dropped on my foot, hoping I could work a miracle."
"Is it yours now?"
"Until someone takes it off my hands, yes."
"How much do you want for it?"
"There's nothing there but a shell."
"Right. That's what I need."
"Uh. ... I'll call you when I make a decision."
"Fair enough. Will $100 hold it for me?"
"Don't worry about that. You'll be the only person I call."
I got the call, but I haven't carted the car out of there yet. He assured me it was going to be less than $500 changing hands. I just need a place to put it.
Odd and ironic as it may sound, I'm considering my back yard -- ala YOUR coupe's disposition. The shell's a '64 standard coupe, in black.
Blackened black, over charred black. It has rust accents and no chrome.
Oh, and I'll need a decklid. And some glass, knobs and doodads. And maybe some Saws-All blades. Et cetera; it's EXACTLY a blank slate.
"Oh, and I'll need a deck lid. And some glass, knobs and doodads. And maybe some Saws-All blades."
Funny you should ask . . . I have extra side door and rear quarter (pop-out) glass and frames, TONS of interior knobs, switches, steering columns/shafts and blinker quadrants, seats, shifters, gauges, steering wheels, grab handles, window/door cranks, most everything that you'll need to finish off a nice OUTLAW interior.
Now that I have the correct fitting deck lid, a buddy is gonna make me a mold and splash a fiberglass repro for me. I can have another made for you when you're ready.
You really ought to consider bringing it North for a cage and such when you begin work in earnest. OR, since it's essentially the same car as mine, I can bend you up some bars, do a partial welded assembly, and you can install and finish install there. Maybe get Gordon or whomever to bring it part way and you can meet and pick it up.
Nothin' says lovin' like a full race cage.
AND, as (your) luck would have it. My friend works at a manufacturing plant where Saws-All blades are made. He gives me as many of the "seconds" as I want. They're just as good as the ones sold in stores, but have an error in the paint/printing on the sides. A smudge, or blur, or scrape which makes the unacceptable.
So, here's a great trade for you. Since I figure that you're gonna drop the coupe over the Hoopty chassis and make it a genuine 356, and you'll no doubt, be using the fiberglass nose to replace the burned/banged sheetmetal on the coupe. How about you come shopping at my place, pick up the cage and all the other stuff that you'll need to finish the coupe and drop off the fiberglass rear end and doors from the Hoopty that you won't be using anyway?
Funny you should ask . . . I have extra side door and rear quarter (pop-out) glass and frames, TONS of interior knobs, switches, steering columns/shafts and blinker quadrants, seats, shifters, gauges, steering wheels, grab handles, window/door cranks, most everything that you'll need to finish off a nice OUTLAW interior.
Now that I have the correct fitting deck lid, a buddy is gonna make me a mold and splash a fiberglass repro for me. I can have another made for you when you're ready.
You really ought to consider bringing it North for a cage and such when you begin work in earnest. OR, since it's essentially the same car as mine, I can bend you up some bars, do a partial welded assembly, and you can install and finish install there. Maybe get Gordon or whomever to bring it part way and you can meet and pick it up.
Nothin' says lovin' like a full race cage.
AND, as (your) luck would have it. My friend works at a manufacturing plant where Saws-All blades are made. He gives me as many of the "seconds" as I want. They're just as good as the ones sold in stores, but have an error in the paint/printing on the sides. A smudge, or blur, or scrape which makes the unacceptable.
So, here's a great trade for you. Since I figure that you're gonna drop the coupe over the Hoopty chassis and make it a genuine 356, and you'll no doubt, be using the fiberglass nose to replace the burned/banged sheetmetal on the coupe. How about you come shopping at my place, pick up the cage and all the other stuff that you'll need to finish the coupe and drop off the fiberglass rear end and doors from the Hoopty that you won't be using anyway?
TC you are evil... in the best possible way too that is. Can you sleep at night or does your brain run in thousand directions coming up with these plans?
TC, you're on. Let me get through this Alaska cruise with the young lad, and I'll be on my way up there this summer.
I'll likely drive the Hoopty back south in "dune buggy" form. You called it, too. All I want the coupe for is the skin. Then it's gull-wing door time ...
Oh. About the fiberglass nose. Nope. Package deal; you'll have to take that off my hands, too. Have a look around in the next month or so for a metal one somewhere close by, eh?
Kevin, his clutch is in a little loosely. But, in fairness, I thought about trading my fiberglass bodywork for the skin of his coupe, which is more or less intact. I think we're on the same whacked wavelength, he and I.
I'll likely drive the Hoopty back south in "dune buggy" form. You called it, too. All I want the coupe for is the skin. Then it's gull-wing door time ...
Oh. About the fiberglass nose. Nope. Package deal; you'll have to take that off my hands, too. Have a look around in the next month or so for a metal one somewhere close by, eh?
Kevin, his clutch is in a little loosely. But, in fairness, I thought about trading my fiberglass bodywork for the skin of his coupe, which is more or less intact. I think we're on the same whacked wavelength, he and I.
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I reeeeeallly have to see how this plays out.
"I thought about trading my fiberglass bodywork for the skin of his coupe, which is more or less intact."
I think that you ought to do that instead, easier than my plan and local (a BIG plus), but you STILL ought to retain the fiberglass nose. It's better looking, from an Outlaw standpoint than the later B and C noses. You'll honestly need to retain a tilt front end for simple access to your wiring, fuel cell, and front suspension/brakes. The wiring is already in place for lights and such, and it's already mounted and functional.
All you'll need to do is hang the coupe body in the air and open the bottom like a tuna can, slowly lower it down over the chassis (and fiberglass front end) trimming metal as you go, until it's in place and how you want it. Connect some spot welded outriggers, brackets, and supports to the chassis/body and done.
Raise the body, roll the chassis and begin the finish work on both, then marry them back together and . . . DISCO ! ! !
It's almost as easy to do as it is to type. We just finished up a similar procedure on the drag car, but it included the cage. Still, Easy Peasy ! !
Anything that I have/you need to finish the ride is still yours for the taking. Make a list. SOON you'll be able to attend the Gathering of the Outlaws with your head held high, and your hinge covers and vin tag(s) in place!
I think that you ought to do that instead, easier than my plan and local (a BIG plus), but you STILL ought to retain the fiberglass nose. It's better looking, from an Outlaw standpoint than the later B and C noses. You'll honestly need to retain a tilt front end for simple access to your wiring, fuel cell, and front suspension/brakes. The wiring is already in place for lights and such, and it's already mounted and functional.
All you'll need to do is hang the coupe body in the air and open the bottom like a tuna can, slowly lower it down over the chassis (and fiberglass front end) trimming metal as you go, until it's in place and how you want it. Connect some spot welded outriggers, brackets, and supports to the chassis/body and done.
Raise the body, roll the chassis and begin the finish work on both, then marry them back together and . . . DISCO ! ! !
It's almost as easy to do as it is to type. We just finished up a similar procedure on the drag car, but it included the cage. Still, Easy Peasy ! !
Anything that I have/you need to finish the ride is still yours for the taking. Make a list. SOON you'll be able to attend the Gathering of the Outlaws with your head held high, and your hinge covers and vin tag(s) in place!
OK, now you are beyond evil.... you have now stepped into the Dr. Friedrich von Frankenstein and Igor with the Modern Prometheus. I want to be around when someone yells "It's ALIVE"
Lane, Kevin; an update. I went back yesterday to take some photos to stick up here, and the carcass was gone. No idea where it went, but I put a call in to the answering machine. When the machine calls me back this morning, I'll have more to tell.
I'm 100 percent sure this is the way I want to go with my car. I can always dismount the fiberglass and stick it in my basement for summer driving -- or trailer it up to Massachussetts and let TC put it on the Gheedster.
But can you imagine the panic? GONE!
I took a few pictures of what I found there, though ... I'll post more later, but for now, here's a teaser:
I'm 100 percent sure this is the way I want to go with my car. I can always dismount the fiberglass and stick it in my basement for summer driving -- or trailer it up to Massachussetts and let TC put it on the Gheedster.
But can you imagine the panic? GONE!
I took a few pictures of what I found there, though ... I'll post more later, but for now, here's a teaser:
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"stick it in my basement for summer driving"
PERFECT ! ! ! What a great idea ! ! ! ! ! ! !
"Modern Prometheus"
How cool! Written in what . . . 1815? 1820? and uses the word "modern" in the title. What a funny perspective. I HATE time ! ! ! LOVE space, I can live with X and Y axis, and I'm kinda getting used to that whole eleven dimension thing.
But time? Never ! ! !
PERFECT ! ! ! What a great idea ! ! ! ! ! ! !
"Modern Prometheus"
How cool! Written in what . . . 1815? 1820? and uses the word "modern" in the title. What a funny perspective. I HATE time ! ! ! LOVE space, I can live with X and Y axis, and I'm kinda getting used to that whole eleven dimension thing.
But time? Never ! ! !
The answering machine called back. The hulk is still there -- they put it inside to keep it out of the elements and away from picking hands.
I'm told to expect a call later about how much I'll be spending -- but the owner wasn't in. The help, a guy named Ben, says there are people eyeballing pieces already -- none wants the chassis -- and that may dramatically reduce the money I have to spend.
It has every bit of glass, every piece of trim, the entire dash, doors, grilles, lid and lights ... All that's missing is my house in front of it.
TC, no other update as yet. I'll post again the instant I know something more.
I'm told to expect a call later about how much I'll be spending -- but the owner wasn't in. The help, a guy named Ben, says there are people eyeballing pieces already -- none wants the chassis -- and that may dramatically reduce the money I have to spend.
It has every bit of glass, every piece of trim, the entire dash, doors, grilles, lid and lights ... All that's missing is my house in front of it.
TC, no other update as yet. I'll post again the instant I know something more.
That eye candy is NOT the one you plan to cut up, is it? That's too pretty. Am I correct in understanding that he's also got a hulk body that you're trying to get your paws on?
I kinda like TC's idea. Set it up so that you can switch back and forth between bodies based on the weather. Some folks have convertible tops, but you'd have a convertible car.
EDIT: Just reread your original post and I guess that IS the one you're trying to get. Hmmm...
I kinda like TC's idea. Set it up so that you can switch back and forth between bodies based on the weather. Some folks have convertible tops, but you'd have a convertible car.
EDIT: Just reread your original post and I guess that IS the one you're trying to get. Hmmm...
I just talked to the shop manager -- the owner's wife. She is of the opinion that he's got too many projects, and that if he can focus on the one coupe they've already got, he'll have something to do and a relatively easy road to accomplish it.
He's declined offers on this thing since it showed up, but she says I've got the enthusiasm he would look for if he were to pass it on.
Summary; I upped the ante and offered to help him build a garage at his house in exchange.
I'm pretty sure I've got myself a coupe body now.
Here's some eye-candy from yesterday's visit:
He's declined offers on this thing since it showed up, but she says I've got the enthusiasm he would look for if he were to pass it on.
Summary; I upped the ante and offered to help him build a garage at his house in exchange.
I'm pretty sure I've got myself a coupe body now.
Here's some eye-candy from yesterday's visit:
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Naaaah - Hell no. That's the one the owner's re-doing, very slowly and with exacting correctness.
That isn't the one for me. THE one, "The Hulk," is inside. I think it was more valuable ... To me, anyway. These guys are a little more my speed:
That isn't the one for me. THE one, "The Hulk," is inside. I think it was more valuable ... To me, anyway. These guys are a little more my speed:
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That end 911 in 061107 Tifs V.jpg is exactly TC's color. He should jump on it!
I like 061107 Tifs VIII.jpg too.
You still thinking of Hoopty-ing down thisaway in July?
I like 061107 Tifs VIII.jpg too.
You still thinking of Hoopty-ing down thisaway in July?
That's correct.
We're planning on it; we heard y'all are usually in for a good time.
We're planning on it; we heard y'all are usually in for a good time.
Yup. Pack some dry ice in the Hoopty to keep yerself's cool.
What's with this "Keep Yerself cool" stuff? I've been out for over three hours at a whack in over 90 degrees F ambient and as long as you're moving it ain't half bad. Stopping for anything more than 5 minutes is another thing entirely, but when you're moving it's more than tolerable......
Cory....if you get up towards New England make sure we're all notified ahead of time, and either Chris or I (or both) have a spare room for you here....We're about 1 hour from TC, and the seafood's better over here, too....(those people near Plymouth Rock are still eating dried Cod)
Cory....if you get up towards New England make sure we're all notified ahead of time, and either Chris or I (or both) have a spare room for you here....We're about 1 hour from TC, and the seafood's better over here, too....(those people near Plymouth Rock are still eating dried Cod)
You bet'cha, Gordon.
I will be in Prouts Neck Maine for a last week of July, any speedster/spyder owners in portland?
Kevin: Check your email...
I'm also about 45 minutes from I-95 in Providence or thereabouts, so let me know when you'll be rumbling through and we'll hook up. We can eat on Atwells Ave. in Providence with folks who look like they belong on "The Sopranos"
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I'm also about 45 minutes from I-95 in Providence or thereabouts, so let me know when you'll be rumbling through and we'll hook up. We can eat on Atwells Ave. in Providence with folks who look like they belong on "The Sopranos"
gn
As long as you're heading down to Atwells, my buddy's wife and a few of her friends strip at Mario's, "Home of the five dollar lap dance."
We can eat there . . .
We can eat there . . .
Update -- It looks like $2,500 gets me the body with all the goodies still attached. Lights, et cetera. ...
Confirmed it this morning and set the price for the trim package and decklid, grilles, window parts, complete doors, dash and so on. ...
I'll be taking pictures Thursday morning.
Confirmed it this morning and set the price for the trim package and decklid, grilles, window parts, complete doors, dash and so on. ...
I'll be taking pictures Thursday morning.
OK, Dude. BIG problem approaching ! ! ! ! ! Alert Alert Alert
You are about to commit a "classic Cory maneuver" and I HAVE to talk you out of it, even if it hurts me to do it and pretty much goes against every action that I've already committed myself.
IF you are able to purchase the car, an early 60's 356B coupe, complete with all of the "smalls" that go along with it, AND it's complete down to the suspension and transaxle and out to the wheels, despite the front clip damage . . .
You can't cut it up!
From every standpoint
You are about to commit a "classic Cory maneuver" and I HAVE to talk you out of it, even if it hurts me to do it and pretty much goes against every action that I've already committed myself.
IF you are able to purchase the car, an early 60's 356B coupe, complete with all of the "smalls" that go along with it, AND it's complete down to the suspension and transaxle and out to the wheels, despite the front clip damage . . .
You can't cut it up!
From every standpoint
If the car is truly complete, minus engine, and the rust situation is not major, I'm in total agreement with TC. Sounds like a real diamond in the rough to me. Of course you'll need to get some storage sapce for it somewhere. How about down here :-)?
The goodies inside -- meaning EVERYTHING; brakes, suspension pieces, hoses, wires and anything not directly connected to the outside of the car or the window mechanisms, are going to be put to use on HIS coupe or another guy's car. He'll be cutting pieces out to weld into his pans to patch corners and rusty spots, but his body's in good shape. The other guy gets the brake drums and little stuff out of the engine compartment.
Literally what I'm going to get is a dismounted body with a neat recip-saw cut two inches into the pan. He's got plans for every other part. I'll be getting the dash et al because it's connected to the door sills, but that's it.
He's even keeping the fuse box, if you know what I mean.
Still, I can't beat the deal with a stick. The Hoopty was designed so the body was removable. The wires come loose with quick-connects on my chassis, so all I'll have to do is make some more body-side wiring connections and seat the shell properly.
The dimensions are the exact same for where I need to attach stuff.
Photos tomorrow -- you'll see a little better why he's keeping the innards. I'll try to get some shots of his recipient car.
Believe it or not, this works out well for everybody concerned.
Literally what I'm going to get is a dismounted body with a neat recip-saw cut two inches into the pan. He's got plans for every other part. I'll be getting the dash et al because it's connected to the door sills, but that's it.
He's even keeping the fuse box, if you know what I mean.
Still, I can't beat the deal with a stick. The Hoopty was designed so the body was removable. The wires come loose with quick-connects on my chassis, so all I'll have to do is make some more body-side wiring connections and seat the shell properly.
The dimensions are the exact same for where I need to attach stuff.
Photos tomorrow -- you'll see a little better why he's keeping the innards. I'll try to get some shots of his recipient car.
Believe it or not, this works out well for everybody concerned.
Ok, that sounds like a good deal then. Woohoo!! More project updates from Cory!!!
"It looks like $2,500 gets me the body with all the goodies still attached. Lights, et cetera. ...
Confirmed it this morning and set the price for the trim package and decklid, grilles, window parts, complete doors, dash and so on. ..."
"The goodies inside -- meaning EVERYTHING; brakes, suspension pieces, hoses, wires and anything not directly connected to the outside of the car or the window mechanisms, are going to be put to use on HIS coupe or another guy's car."
You're just confusing me here . . . I think that I'll have to shut up and let this one play out on it's own.
Confirmed it this morning and set the price for the trim package and decklid, grilles, window parts, complete doors, dash and so on. ..."
"The goodies inside -- meaning EVERYTHING; brakes, suspension pieces, hoses, wires and anything not directly connected to the outside of the car or the window mechanisms, are going to be put to use on HIS coupe or another guy's car."
You're just confusing me here . . . I think that I'll have to shut up and let this one play out on it's own.
My head's so full of sugarplums that I might have confused this too much. Imagine you could poke through the body of the car like Casper the Friendly Ghost. Everything you could put the length of your index finger on comes to me, plus I get the dash.
Better?
Better?
This is a nice gallery of Outlaw and race 356s:
http://www.bruceclement.com/porsche/outlaw.htm
If you don't have high-speed it may take a while to load, but it's totally worth it! I was surprised that I liked the B and C front ends almost as much as the A. In street trim I don't, but these later cars look really sweet, better in some ways than the early cars.
http://www.bruceclement.com/porsche/outlaw.htm
If you don't have high-speed it may take a while to load, but it's totally worth it! I was surprised that I liked the B and C front ends almost as much as the A. In street trim I don't, but these later cars look really sweet, better in some ways than the early cars.
The first 4 pics of that black outlaw are heart stirring.. I can't believe how beautiful that car is. Thanks for the link...
James
James
Damn it, TC! Now I've drooled all over my keyboard!
Gorgeous, just gorgeous.
Gorgeous, just gorgeous.
I think I can make something like that out of the new shell.
It gives me something to shoot for, anyway. I like the 47 car.
Thanks for the link, TC!
It gives me something to shoot for, anyway. I like the 47 car.
Thanks for the link, TC!
So Cory, if you end up doing this, will you have an original 356 with a custom race chassis, or will you have a replica with a metal body? Either sounds very cool, just wondering which one your plan will legally makes it? Perhaps it will be a component car...have you started thinking of names or are you sticking with hoopty?
James
James
In a phone call the other day he called it "the Coupty". I like that.
Given that 356's didn't come with a separate pan or chassis, they were unibody cars more or less, and that most or all of the racing Porsches and specials had/have alternate chassis components (from 912/911 components to full tube frames), and that the 356's carry their vin's stamped into the doors, rear deck lid, hinge covers and front bulkheads, the finished car would legally have to be titled and registered as a Porsche 356. If the body is being used, and that body carries the vin, and there is no real chassis (and chassis numbers to speak of) then there's also no choice . . . it's a Porsche.
In Porsche 356 circles, the race-built chassis is nothing more than a suspension upgrade, an interior birdcage, a series of tubes and some sub-frame connectors. Check out the article on page 90 in the December '06 issue of EXCELLENCE and you'll know what I mean.
Oh, hey, as a side note: I just figured out that you can sand the little knobs that are on Ghia side pop-out windows to nearly perfectly mimic the original 356 dash board knobs. They're everywhere, pretty much free, and when you paint them up with a nice Krylon gloss Almond or Ivory, you kinda can't tell them from those INSANELY priced 356A knobs that they've reproduced.
If you're tired of the cheesy Beetle knobs, it's a PISSA replacement. I can post a pic or two.
In Porsche 356 circles, the race-built chassis is nothing more than a suspension upgrade, an interior birdcage, a series of tubes and some sub-frame connectors. Check out the article on page 90 in the December '06 issue of EXCELLENCE and you'll know what I mean.
Oh, hey, as a side note: I just figured out that you can sand the little knobs that are on Ghia side pop-out windows to nearly perfectly mimic the original 356 dash board knobs. They're everywhere, pretty much free, and when you paint them up with a nice Krylon gloss Almond or Ivory, you kinda can't tell them from those INSANELY priced 356A knobs that they've reproduced.
If you're tired of the cheesy Beetle knobs, it's a PISSA replacement. I can post a pic or two.