Does the auction mentioned in the first message of this thread with a no reserve auction not seem a little cheap? There is not a lot of info on the condition of the car, and its a VW engine, but still seems like a cheap way to get into a 356?
James
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Coupty is the name on the drawings I've done. And since TC's the genius behind the Gheedster projekt, I'll defer to his opinion on title stuff. ... Hell, it's got two VINs now. What's one more?
James, sure looks inexpensive to me. I'd buy it if I wasn't neck deep at goat into my car.
James, sure looks inexpensive to me. I'd buy it if I wasn't neck deep at goat into my car.
I've been watching coupe prices for a while and some real "projects" have gone for near this money. It looks like a real bargain to me. Makes me wonder what I'm missing. If I were't about to get the green JPS, I'd be bidding. Note: there are no pics of the usual rust areas and no real close details to get a good view. But still it looks great compared to others I've seen in this price range.
I have two 2 356's right now, I lost another one by not picking it up before the first of the year and sold a fourth that was too nice . . . that I couldn't "restore" correctly. Right now, and forever I'm afraid, prices are high and climbing. This is why there are more and more seemingly unrestorable cars coming out for sale. Of course Ebay has helped this by becoming such a great way of putting them in front of such a huge buying public.
All of these recent arrivals will have issues, there are repair panels around, but it's really easy to make your own to do the job. Rust is a problem going in, but can be addressed in sections and MasterSeries has proven to be a WONDER! My lower door skins are from a Beetle, the rockers are re-worked Bus sheet metal, you've all seen my "new" rear deck lid. You don't have to buy replacement panels for a LOT of the necessary repairs, but you DO have to be comfortable around metal. (If only my Sculpture Mentor knew what I've been doing with all that sand casting and gas welding knowledge . . . )
In my case, Cory's, and a host of others, the 356 shell and partial substructure is of primary importance, the chassis' are purpose built, custom fabricated, near race car items. A long tradition in the 356 community, now seeping into the replica car mind set. Think of the result as a metal kit car and the steel body makes perfect sense.
PLUS, the return on your effort and investment will keep pace with the 356 market in general. Some folks will always want a restored stocker, but a growing group has turned to the Outlaw or race car (former or current) as a much more reasonable and drivable investment and enjoyment vehicle. People can forgive almost any alteration as long as there's metal and a Porsche in involved.
There's no question that a Speedster from VS or IM is the right choice for a replica of a car that's nearly completely unavailable, but for a coupe . . . you could build a truely sweet ride out of a metal shell and Beetle based/custom chassis for not too much more than a fiberglass offering. WAY LESS if you do the work yourself and are planning on running with the Outlaws.
IMHO
All of these recent arrivals will have issues, there are repair panels around, but it's really easy to make your own to do the job. Rust is a problem going in, but can be addressed in sections and MasterSeries has proven to be a WONDER! My lower door skins are from a Beetle, the rockers are re-worked Bus sheet metal, you've all seen my "new" rear deck lid. You don't have to buy replacement panels for a LOT of the necessary repairs, but you DO have to be comfortable around metal. (If only my Sculpture Mentor knew what I've been doing with all that sand casting and gas welding knowledge . . . )
In my case, Cory's, and a host of others, the 356 shell and partial substructure is of primary importance, the chassis' are purpose built, custom fabricated, near race car items. A long tradition in the 356 community, now seeping into the replica car mind set. Think of the result as a metal kit car and the steel body makes perfect sense.
PLUS, the return on your effort and investment will keep pace with the 356 market in general. Some folks will always want a restored stocker, but a growing group has turned to the Outlaw or race car (former or current) as a much more reasonable and drivable investment and enjoyment vehicle. People can forgive almost any alteration as long as there's metal and a Porsche in involved.
There's no question that a Speedster from VS or IM is the right choice for a replica of a car that's nearly completely unavailable, but for a coupe . . . you could build a truely sweet ride out of a metal shell and Beetle based/custom chassis for not too much more than a fiberglass offering. WAY LESS if you do the work yourself and are planning on running with the Outlaws.
IMHO
I wonder what it would take to put a metal body on an IM frame? I wonder if Henry would be willing to take on that kind of build (Patent Pending from Cory, ya, I know..lol). I am guessing I could buy a fully restored coupe for the same money though.
James
James
You could use a shortened VW pan, really. No real need for a custom frame. Once the pan is welded to the body there would be no flex in the structure at all The VW pan would complete the greenhouse and mimic the original unibody perfectly. Just hang the VW suspension and you're done!
Easy Peasy.
If you look closely at Cory's much touted frame, at it's heart it's just a Beetle spine with a whole mess of square stock welded to it to support a thin fiberglass skin. If he didn't want to hinge all the new stuff, or convert back to the Speedster configuration, all of that orange crap could be cut away and the body welded right to the new perimeter metal and it would be done.
I honestly think that he ought to sell the Speedster for as much as he can get, put the coupe together using the original floor reinforced where necessary with Beetle front and rear suspension pieces and a nice built VW engine. Spend some of the remainder on a SWEET Pontiac Solstice as a touring car for him and his girl and keep the coupe as an Outlaw. He'd STILL have plenty of cash left over after doing this and be much happier with the outcome.
And THAT'S what I think . . .
Easy Peasy.
If you look closely at Cory's much touted frame, at it's heart it's just a Beetle spine with a whole mess of square stock welded to it to support a thin fiberglass skin. If he didn't want to hinge all the new stuff, or convert back to the Speedster configuration, all of that orange crap could be cut away and the body welded right to the new perimeter metal and it would be done.
I honestly think that he ought to sell the Speedster for as much as he can get, put the coupe together using the original floor reinforced where necessary with Beetle front and rear suspension pieces and a nice built VW engine. Spend some of the remainder on a SWEET Pontiac Solstice as a touring car for him and his girl and keep the coupe as an Outlaw. He'd STILL have plenty of cash left over after doing this and be much happier with the outcome.
And THAT'S what I think . . .
Cory,
Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300121723676&rd=1,1
It didn't sell, so it's still there waitin' for you. But, just LOOK at how sexy those lower light/horn openings are! I totally LOVE the slight inner panel, they way that it's recessed in from the ellipse of the over all opening. I can't see why anyone would run the lower grills and cover all of that up. Leave it all "as-is" no grills at all, back the holes with expanded mesh, run two orange painted tow eyes through the small rectangular bumper bracket openings, paint the body silver (of course) and . . . done!
Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300121723676&rd=1,1
It didn't sell, so it's still there waitin' for you. But, just LOOK at how sexy those lower light/horn openings are! I totally LOVE the slight inner panel, they way that it's recessed in from the ellipse of the over all opening. I can't see why anyone would run the lower grills and cover all of that up. Leave it all "as-is" no grills at all, back the holes with expanded mesh, run two orange painted tow eyes through the small rectangular bumper bracket openings, paint the body silver (of course) and . . . done!
" ... all of that orange crap could be cut away ... ."
Come ON, man. I thought Safety Orange was a selling point!
I'm on to a new engineering sketch for the shell. I'm thinking about making it a true unibody, and seating it on pegs with Clevis pins to hold it. Drawing ought to be complete before the day's over.
I sent an e-mail about the nose, too. Thanks!
Yesterday, I hit the exhaust bolts again with the 6mm and cleaned out the idle jets to knock the backfiring off a bit. Drove it in this morning and didn't see more than about 200 degrees on the oil temp meter after nearly a half-hour at 3,900 rpms.
On a sad note, I left my GPS in a bookstore yesterday. No sign of it.
I took the mounting bracket off the steering wheel when I got home; no sense in getting another second- or third-generation Magellan to replace it with.
It served me well; I should have kept better track of it. At least I now know how fast I'm going in third and fourth just by looking at the tach.
Hope the new owner enjoys it as much as I did (that thieving bastard).
Come ON, man. I thought Safety Orange was a selling point!
I'm on to a new engineering sketch for the shell. I'm thinking about making it a true unibody, and seating it on pegs with Clevis pins to hold it. Drawing ought to be complete before the day's over.
I sent an e-mail about the nose, too. Thanks!
Yesterday, I hit the exhaust bolts again with the 6mm and cleaned out the idle jets to knock the backfiring off a bit. Drove it in this morning and didn't see more than about 200 degrees on the oil temp meter after nearly a half-hour at 3,900 rpms.
On a sad note, I left my GPS in a bookstore yesterday. No sign of it.
I took the mounting bracket off the steering wheel when I got home; no sense in getting another second- or third-generation Magellan to replace it with.
It served me well; I should have kept better track of it. At least I now know how fast I'm going in third and fourth just by looking at the tach.
Hope the new owner enjoys it as much as I did (that thieving bastard).
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