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My exhaust guy is telling me to call him in two weeks & I've got nothing for the new Suby install other than the old Legacy pipes back to the front cat. I'm pretty sure my guy is going to make me some unequal-length headers but I thought I'd ask around & see what you-all have.

 

My setup has the Small Car shortened oil pan. That lops about 2 inches off the depth. The stock pipes would be near stock pan depth, which is about 7 inches below the exhaust port. I want mine to be about five inches.

 

I can see where the pipes ought to go--pass side forward, curl left under the motor mount and maybe a flexicouple; driver side forward, S to left and collect with the other side, another left turn into a cat (with O2 sensor), go back 20 inches or so (maybe another O2 bung there--since my car wants readings from 2 of 'em)  and left again into a glass pack under the rear valance (I have that already), then out under the bumper on the passenger side like my old setup (and a stock TD). I'm wanting the main pipes to be 2 1/4 inches.

 

This does not look like it would be hard to accomplish for a decent muffler shop. But I'm starting to want to hedge my bets.

 

Anyone know if they have a name-brand header on their Suby conversion? Any photos?

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I have Killer B equal length headers.  Unequal length headers give you the distinct Subi burble, but not much else.  Equal length headers give power.  In addition to HP gains, equal length headers help to control the unequal and hotter temps inherent in cyl's 2 & 4 due to longer header length.  

 

Sorry, no pics.  Check out Killer B's website.  His headers are pieces of sculpture. 

Unless you've got the incriminating pics of your exhaust guy, you may want to think some more.  Tiger Sanchez at A-1 Muffler in SoCal quoted me $2K+ for him to make a set for my car.  Even at that, he wasn't very motivated to do the job.  His guys make him more money with production work than one-off stuff.

Originally Posted by edsnova - Baltimore - BCW 52 MG TD:

Thanks, Jim. Are yours those "Holy" things? They look sweet, but they won't fit with my pan. I'm looking on the site for other models...

 

Also: $1400??!!

 

Originally Posted by Jim Kelly 2013 SAS coupe-Fiji:

Ed,

 

If there's a non-chain quality muffler shop in your area, you may want to consider having a set built.  May be a slight sticker shock, though.  Well, maybe a little more than slight.

 

Originally Posted by edsnova - Baltimore - BCW 52 MG TD:

Seriously. I was thinking $300.

Sorry Ed; welcome to the wonderful world of custom fabrication. I know it's hard to believe, but a guy in a shop can spend close to all day (or longer) making a header and exhaust, and then welding it all up. At 75 or $100/hr. (plus materials) it adds up really fast!

I have to agree with you, though; $1400 for a production header does sound steep, but if he's getting it... 

The guy I'm hoping will do it basically hasn't charged me for anything he's done yet. 

 

I went in there three-four years ago looking for help making a potter's wheel. I needed a sleeve expanded so I could fit a pulley. It was Thanksgiving-eve, 5:15. The guy--Mike's his name--never saw me before. He looks at the mess in my hands, says, "yeah, I think I can do something with that," and ushers me to the back, where he chops a piece of exhaust pipe, expands the end and hands it to me. It takes him five minutes, maybe less. The thing is still hot. I slip it over the car part I was adapting it to. It's just a little loose.

 

Before I can say a word Mike cuts another piece and does the job again. That one was snug.

 

"What do I owe you?"

 

"Nothin'," he says. I think I finally talked him into taking $20, but maybe not.

 

The next summer, when my 120,000-mile truck sounded like **** I went straight back there, naturally. "You got me this time," I told him. "I don't think anyone's done anything to this exhaust since the truck was new."

 

"Let's have a look," he says.

 

I was expecting a cat-back, $500 bill. Dude calls me back an hour later & says he's all done. "I just welded it up," he says.

 

I don't remember what he charged that time, but it was under $200. Might have been under $100. It hasn't needed any attention since, and we just turned over 155,000 miles.

 

Later he welded a shock mount that broke. Again, super-reasonable; something like $150 with two new shocks. And a few weeks ago, when I burned my shift rod trying to weld it after shortening it, they tried not to charge me again to fix that. Mike didn't hand me that part, another dude did. No receipts or anything.

 

I hear (from another pipe-bender) that the "boss" is an asshole who charges huge amounts, but "he's in Florida," so as long as Mike's there I get (so far, at least), awesome service at reasonable rates. 

 

I suppose this all could change. And I swear I'm not trying to cheap-out on these hard-working, well-skilled guys. But the job at hand might be a little easier than a full-on custom header. I've got the old pipes and would be fine with them using the existing flange and first few inches of head pipe. Seems to me they could oval-out a 2 1/4 (or 2 1/2)-inch pipe and slip it over that, weld around the seams and make the 90s from there. Might save some time and trouble.

 

There are six 90-degree bends to make, maybe two flanges to weld, plus probably a flex cuff. It might need a custom cat but the Suby one is still with me & it has the O2 bung already in it. If I'm lucky, I'm seeing $50 in parts and half a day's fiddling by one of Mike's assistants.

 

But you're probably right. Nothing I've done on this car yet has taken only half a day and $50 in parts.

 

We shall see.

 

 

Took it in today for a look. Mike says, "I can do that. I can do that. Yeah. OK." I tell him I want a cat on it and he's like "why would you want one of those?"

 

I told him to try for that & that I'd pay for it.

 

He looks at the H2O pipe needs and the exhaust and sums it up: "$500, high side."

 

Says next week it can happen.

 

This guy. If he pulls through on this I'm gonna put his name and picture on the outside of the car, with the shop's phone number.

Ended up $440, tax included. Parts totaled $40.

 

That's for the exhaust and the coolant pipes.

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Hey, BTW: Anyone know what happened to my last post here from last night? The one with the link to my blog and the 10-second vid of the engine starting? Pretty sure at least one of you responded. If I offended anyone or broke some kind of rule it's OK to just post under it or dialogue me.

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