Historic Plate Workaround

What about a license plate frame to put your year sticker on?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-1...8Zo5l931dNKCsDexfdsg

The things we do for love...

I think you'll have zero problem. If you do, the fine will not be anywhere near as much as a plate. 

I always run cost/benefit analysis whenever I'm breaking the law. It works out especially while on historic or antique registration. 

Your mileage may vary. 

I say go for it!

"I always run cost/benefit analysis whenever I'm breaking the law."

The problem is that I'm usually way off on the cost side of my cost/benefit analysis 

Well,  I'm usually off on the benefit side, so I guess it's pretty much the same.

That is really cool.  If you have any friends in law enforcement, you might want to check on the hyphened number.  If I am remembering correctly, but in Nevada, it counts as a letter/number, so it would not match registration.  I think the idea of the additional year tag would fully keep you out of trouble.

I have been know to have a beer with a meal or with Noel on the D'hoe drive, and the last thing I would want, is to get a DUI because of vanity.

Stephen

Cory give Sean at restoratag.com a call. He can make your plate and put whatever you want on it and they look true to the original.

EXCELLENT and creative concept.  You and I think alike.  I have a DE state plate I had made with NO Number on it.  Then I made a copy of yearly inspection sticker for it.  I only use it for shows, pretty sure a blank plate would catch attention.  

And you think $400 dollars is a lot for a car tag?  In Delaware people (and this in only ONE seller) are selling plates with low numbers for up to $200,000.00.  Yes, there is stupid money in this state.  The first column in the second picture is the plate number.  Delaware started issuing plates with consecutive numbers at No. 1 and are now up to 7 digits.  The lower, the older (and obviously) more important you want people to think you are.

craig posted:

EXCELLENT and creative concept.  You and I think alike.  I have a DE state plate I had made with NO Number on it.  Then I made a copy of yearly inspection sticker for it.  I only use it for shows, pretty sure a blank plate would catch attention.  

And you think $400 dollars is a lot for a car tag?  In Delaware people (and this in only ONE seller) are selling plates with low numbers for up to $200,000.00.  Yes, there is stupid money in this state.  The first column in the second picture is the plate number.  Delaware started issuing plates with consecutive numbers at No. 1 and are now up to 7 digits.  The lower, the older (and obviously) more important you want people to think you are.

Wow.  Just... wow.

Just looked through your list.  $200K!  Incredible!  Delaware?  Who knew?

Love that state... Rehobeth was our shore spot when I was a kid in Pennsylvania.

Your plate looks fantastic!  I like your "show plate" idea, and I think I'll let the police officer know (should I be stopped) that I'd just forgotten to remove my show plate -- my actual plate is right here, officer, under my passenger seat. (I'll be sure to let him know that I'll be reaching under my seat! LOL)

Rusty S posted:

The things we do for love...

LOL "Like walkin' in the rain and the snow..."

Love it Cory ..... nice !! My Dad drives around Phx all the time, never with the latest sticker attached to the plate (always in the glove box). He's been stopped a time or two but I do not think there was ever a ticket (I'll ask him and report back)

Cory McCloskey posted:

craig posted:

EXCELLENT and creative concept.  You and I think alike.  I have a DE state plate I had made with NO Number on it.  Then I made a copy of yearly inspection sticker for it.  I only use it for shows, pretty sure a blank plate would catch attention.  

And you think $400 dollars is a lot for a car tag?  In Delaware people (and this in only ONE seller) are selling plates with low numbers for up to $200,000.00.  Yes, there is stupid money in this state.  The first column in the second picture is the plate number.  Delaware started issuing plates with consecutive numbers at No. 1 and are now up to 7 digits.  The lower, the older (and obviously) more important you want people to think you are.

Wow.  Just... wow.

Just looked through your list.  $200K!  Incredible!  Delaware?  Who knew?

Love that state... Rehobeth was our shore spot when I was a kid in Pennsylvania.

Your plate looks fantastic!  I like your "show plate" idea, and I think I'll let the police officer know (should I be stopped) that I'd just forgotten to remove my show plate -- my actual plate is right here, officer, under my passenger seat. (I'll be sure to let him know that I'll be reaching under my seat! LOL)

 

Just leave it on the seat.

From Arizona's "Antique Plate Application" form: A motor vehicle made from what is commonly known as a “kit” or “replica kit”, or which is reconstructed so that the basic vehicle is not as originally manufactured, does not qualify.

Of course, you are not even attempting to put antique plates on your car, you are wanting to put fake plates on your car. I would suspect most cops are going to take a pretty dim view of running fake plates regardless of having a second real set with you.

justinh posted:

From Arizona's "Antique Plate Application" form: A motor vehicle made from what is commonly known as a “kit” or “replica kit”, or which is reconstructed so that the basic vehicle is not as originally manufactured, does not qualify.

Of course, you are not even attempting to put antique plates on your car, you are wanting to put fake plates on your car. I would suspect most cops are going to take a pretty dim view of running fake plates regardless of having a second real set with you.

That is the same wording as Delaware's DMV code and if I'm reading it correctly, your current AZ plate is already illegal.  If the AZ "Historic Vehicle" plate is the same as an "Antique Plate" you need a third back-up plate.  I can see it now,  You get pulled over for a "I didn't realize it" plate.  You produce an Illegal plate to cover up the confusion and the officer asks you, "Who on first?"

craig posted:

 You produce an Illegal plate to cover up the confusion and the officer asks you, "Who on first?"

And as I wrote earlier....  Add an adult beverage in there and you will get a free trip to Disneyland.

Plate looks great. But I'd be pretty cautious about driving around with a fake plate.

Those AZ plates must be rare.

Pennsylvania has a similar law. I found '52, '59, and '65 plates for my cars with no problem. All very clean, very minimal rust. All the prices were under $50.

justinh posted:

From Arizona's "Antique Plate Application" form: A motor vehicle made from what is commonly known as a “kit” or “replica kit”, or which is reconstructed so that the basic vehicle is not as originally manufactured, does not qualify.

Of course, you are not even attempting to put antique plates on your car, you are wanting to put fake plates on your car. I would suspect most cops are going to take a pretty dim view of running fake plates regardless of having a second real set with you.

As with many things governmental, laws are unevenly enforced, and if there's a chance to wring from a citizen an extra shilling, it shall be done.

When the fellow from whom I bought the car finally got off the Arizona DMV Carousel of Misery, the tub was officially known as a "1955 Porsche Speedster Replica." 

When I registered the car, the DMV gal never flinched when I asked about getting the "Historic Vehicle" plate. So, that's in my favor. No duplicity there.

I will continue to maintain my registration, and will keep the state-issued plate (with its 2017 sticker) safe inside the car. 

My answer, if stopped, will be that I forgot that I was still riding with my "car show plate." 

"I have the correct plate right here, Officer."

If my black plate is run, it will still return my name, so I'm not worried that I'm sporting a phony plate.

We'll see how confident I am after the citation!

craig posted:

justinh posted:

From Arizona's "Antique Plate Application" form: A motor vehicle made from what is commonly known as a “kit” or “replica kit”, or which is reconstructed so that the basic vehicle is not as originally manufactured, does not qualify.

Of course, you are not even attempting to put antique plates on your car, you are wanting to put fake plates on your car. I would suspect most cops are going to take a pretty dim view of running fake plates regardless of having a second real set with you.

That is the same wording as Delaware's DMV code and if I'm reading it correctly, your current AZ plate is already illegal.  If the AZ "Historic Vehicle" plate is the same as an "Antique Plate" you need a third back-up plate.  I can see it now,  You get pulled over for a "I didn't realize it" plate.  You produce an Illegal plate to cover up the confusion and the officer asks you, "Who on first?"

I believe the only requirement for the "Historic Plate" (newly manufactured plate) is that the car is over 25 years old. The "Antique Plate" is a plate actually made in 1956.

Of course that does bring up the question of whether the car was actually registered correctly in the first place because in most states these are supposed to be "Special Construction" which get registered with the date of completion, which outside of an 80's CMC it's generally not the case that the car is actually over 25 years old. And I think running fake plates is a good way to get them to look real close at a potentially incorrect registration too.

As noted, the car is clearly known by the state to be a replica. It's right on the registration.

The DMV gave it its birth certificate, not me.

So, unless the cop believes that I've hacked the DMV mainframe in order to alter data to make my car eligible for historic designation, I'm willing to take my chances on the car's inimitable charm to blunt the officer's pen.

We shall see...

 I guess there is a battle for Number One position  

I've always been the resident kill-joy regarding proper registration, as using the VW pan S/N isn't really legal in any state in the union.

But it's not a hill I'm going to die on any more. As far as Cory's historic registration, it would seem that falls outside of the letter of the law as well.

But using that cost/benefit analysis thing: being improperly registered is something easily defended, as the laws in every state are pretty byzantine.  If you were to get a ticket, it wouldn't be points on your licence, and would likely be less than the cost of a "regular car" registration. Unless you're hanging out at Ed's Ocean City Tuner weekend, flashing passersby and doing bleach burn-outs-- nobody is going to impound your car over it.

Also, since Cory's car is a Beck, and since the PO jumped through multiple hoops to get it registered in a way that was declared legal by the people who ought to know the law (but clearly don't), I'm guessing officer friendly in Phoenix is probably going to look at the car, the tags, and the middle-aged guy (with all his hair? What is up with that?), and think nothing of it... unless Cory is driving around naked or giving the finger to "stick it to the man". It's one of the excellent benefits of being 45+ years old. Cops just stop pulling you over for stupid stuff, a happy byproduct of aging that helps soften the blow of being fat, slow, forgetful, and bald.

If it were me, I'd register the car the best way I knew how, get the plates you want, and keep the "real ones" under the seat. It'll be just fine. 

I'll give my point of view from a CA law enforcement officer's perspective. Mind you, traffic enforcement is not my main job, nor is it my secondary, but I do enforce traffic laws when they ABSOLUTELY need to be enforced.

If any peace officer, other than an officer whose primary duty is traffic enforcement, were to run that plate, it'll come back to Cory's previously and properly registered vehicle. Dashes and anything other than a number or alphanumeric digit are not considered when running a plate for registration. So Cory's facsimile of a plate will come back to him and his car. When that happens it is highly unlikely that the officer is going to give that plate a second thought. However, an officer whose primary job IS traffic enforcement MIGHT catch the fact that his vehicle says REPLICA in the description field on the registration and MIGHT jam him up about it. That would mean the officer would have to know that the vintage plate isn't supposed to be on that car since it is a replica. The chances of that happening are slim and Cory could try to explain his way out of it by saying, "Dang it, I must have forgot to switch the plate out after my last car show." 

That is, of course, my OPINION on the matter. The opinion of Arizona traffic officers may differ. If I were to run that plate and I saw that it comes back to Cory and his car I wouldn't give it much thought. All I care about is that the plate comes back to the car in front of me and that the fees are paid. If I popped him for a speeding ticket I'm just writing the plate number on the citation. It doesn't ask if it is a vintage plate, historic plate, or a regular plate.

Coegi Esse Sollicita

Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

I've always been the resident kill-joy regarding proper registration, as using the VW pan S/N isn't really legal in any state in the union.

But it's not a hill I'm going to die on any more. As far as Cory's historic registration, it would seem that falls outside of the letter of the law as well.

But using that cost/benefit analysis thing: being improperly registered is something easily defended, as the laws in every state are pretty byzantine.  If you were to get a ticket, it wouldn't be points on your licence, and would likely be less than the cost of a "regular car" registration. Unless you're hanging out at Ed's Ocean City Tuner weekend, flashing passersby and doing bleach burn-outs-- nobody is going to impound your car over it.

Also, since Cory's car is a Beck, and since the PO jumped through multiple hoops to get it registered in a way that was declared legal by the people who ought to know the law (but clearly don't), I'm guessing officer friendly in Phoenix is probably going to look at the car, the tags, and the middle-aged guy (with all his hair? What is up with that?), and think nothing of it... unless Cory is driving around naked or giving the finger to "stick it to the man". It's one of the excellent benefits of being 45+ years old. Cops just stop pulling you over for stupid stuff, a happy byproduct of aging that helps soften the blow of being fat, slow, forgetful, and bald.'

If it were me, I'd register the car the best way I knew how, get the plates you want, and keep the "real ones" under the seat. It'll be just fine. 

Agreed, Stan.

I'm not worried in the least about the registration's validity. It's not my doing. Heck, the state required of the previous owner a "Level Two Inspection" in order to ferret out the car's pedigree. 

"1955 Porsche Speedster Replica" was the State of Arizona's ruling. (I dearly wish they'd guessed "1957" -- I'm not drilling beehives into her rump.)

My only worry would be a ticket for an improper plate, which I hope I'd be able to dodge by handing to the officer a proper plate.

There's still some humanity out there, and I've built up some goodwill here over the years -- I think all will be well.

I fully appreciate all who've advised caution, or even retreat. I promise to post the ticket and the tale, should circumstances warrant!

Robert M posted:

I'll give my point of view from a CA law enforcement officer's perspective. Mind you, traffic enforcement is not my main job, nor is it my secondary, but I do enforce traffic laws when they ABSOLUTELY need to be enforced.

If any peace officer, other than an officer whose primary duty is traffic enforcement, were to run that plate, it'll come back to Cory's previously and properly registered vehicle. Dashes and anything other than a number or alphanumeric digit are not considered when running a plate for registration. So Cory's facsimile of a plate will come back to him and his car. When that happens it is highly unlikely that the officer is going to give that plate a second thought. However, an officer whose primary job IS traffic enforcement MIGHT catch the fact that his vehicle says REPLICA in the description field on the registration and MIGHT jam him up about it. That would mean the officer would have to know that the vintage plate isn't supposed to be on that car since it is a replica. The chances of that happening are slim and Cory could try to explain his way out of it by saying, "Dang it, I must have forgot to switch the plate out after my last car show." 

That is, of course, my OPINION on the matter. The opinion of Arizona traffic officers may differ. If I were to run that plate and I saw that it comes back to Cory and his car I wouldn't give it much thought. All I care about is that the plate comes back to the car in front of me and that the fees are paid. If I popped him for a speeding ticket I'm just writing the plate number on the citation. It doesn't ask if it is a vintage plate, historic plate, or a regular plate.

Coegi Esse Sollicita

Thanks, @Robert M!

That's the way I imagine things might go, should the need for running my plate arise.

Glad to know that my hyphen and spacing are not an impediment to an officer.

I feel that I'm fully embracing the SPIRIT of the Arizona law (and MORE than fully paying for the privilege).

I think, too, that I'm adhering to the LETTER of the law, but not as visibly. I'm not dodging any fees (paying extra, actually),  nor attempting to hide anything in order to cover any illegal activity. 

I realize I'm speaking like Bill Clinton in that 1998 deposition.

Tardius in curvam.  Celeriter ex curva.

Translation: "Close Enough For Govt. Work."

Rats....I thought he was a "Doctor Who" fan for a second, there......

B Model Mack Triplex

Cory, I think at least motorcycle cops will leave you alone on this.

You're one of the few men in Arizona who can threaten to make it rain.

Sacto Mitch posted:

 

Cory, I think at least motorcycle cops will leave you alone on this.

You're one of the few men in Arizona who can threaten to make it rain.

 

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Interesting, because I just did the exact same thing and had almost the same explanation prepared.  The vintage plates on the silver outlaw I'm selling belong to me and are current, but they do not belong to the car.   I have the outlaw's plates in the car, but wanted to take the pictures with the vintage plates. 

By the way, they are for a 59 VW and I plan to sell them.

The 1957 sticker for my 1956 Arizona replica plate finally arrived! I love the look -- exactly as every Arizona passenger car plate would have looked in 1957.

I admit-- photo #1 is merely a thumb in the eye for you cold-climate guys, letting you know it's 85° here the week before Thanksgiving...

 Again, the plate number matches the state-issued historic vehicle plate that I have already registered. We'll see how far I can get with this reproduction… 

I believe, Cory, that the chances of you getting cited are also dependent on the officer recognizing you from your TV gig and his/her experience in regard to your weather reports.

Assuming you have accurately reported the Phoenix weather, "Hot", "Hotter", "Hotter with thunderstorms" ( I believe those are your assigned choices) to the extent that the officer suffered no injury or inconvenience (like driving into a dry riverbed just as the flooding from the unpredicted thunderstorm in the mountains hit) everything should be peachy!

Drive on!

(It's been close to 80 here in the Florida Panhandle this week as well.)

Nice plate and that cement pond is needed where you live for sure. 

BobG posted:

I believe, Cory, that the chances of you getting cited are also dependent on the officer recognizing you from your TV gig and his/her experience in regard to your weather reports.

Assuming you have accurately reported the Phoenix weather, "Hot", "Hotter", "Hotter with thunderstorms" ( I believe those are your assigned choices) to the extent that the officer suffered no injury or inconvenience (like driving into a dry riverbed just as the flooding from the unpredicted thunderstorm in the mountains hit) everything should be peachy!

Drive on!

(It's been close to 80 here in the Florida Panhandle this week as well.)

Bob, I'm simply going to laminate your post and hand it to the officer.

Cory is going to be booked, without question. And remember, when somebody drops the soap..... just leave it there.