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Originally Posted by Alan Merklin - Drclock. Chambersburg PA:

First, shim the hinge that needs to push the door out,  you don't need much here.

 

See what that has done for the one that has the door sticking out, you may need to remove the hinge and grind a bit off the surface to make it slightly thinner again, you don't need to remove much.

What should I use for a shim? Thin pieces of metal between the hinge and the door? or hinge and the body?  Is this process written down any place or is it another 'earn an you learn' type deal?

 

I'm sure it'll make sense once I stuff the first shim or two in there.


Thanks for the quick replies!

Ted

Ted;

 

My drivers door is shimmed out at the top. Thin little rectangular metal. A fender washer(s) would work equally as well.

 

I don't like seeing them every time I open the door and look at the door jamb. BUT, I haven't fixed my butt sag yet, so I'm hoping this might fix it all.

 

BTW....your body shine work is very nice. you ought to be proud and happy. Me, I'm just jealous.

It all depends on which direction the door has to move (in 3 dimensions).  You really have to sit there and see where it's out to begin with, then determine where to put the shims and how thick they should be.  

 

I aligned the doors on the red Speedster that Alan finished and all I used was some flat aluminum stock 2-1/2" square or so.  Sometimes it goes between the door and the hinge, sometimes between the body and the hinge, depending on which door corner you're trying to move and in which direction.

 

A very little difference in shim thickness and where positioned can make a BIG difference in the end result, so go slowly and play with different thicknesses until you get it to where it looks cool.

Last edited by Gordon Nichols

I have been putting that off.

 

The new sand seal and the BOSCH relay(s) arrived yesterday, so now I have no excuse not to finish all of that up. It's on the radar, I just haven't wrapped it up yet. I started to remove the cooler and the hoses so I could build a proper FOD screen over the cooler. I'd hate for a rock to come off the tire and damage that cooler/fan.

 

I had one question on the fan wiring. What if I pulled my 12V off of a terminal that's only 'hot' when the starter is not cranking? I'm pretty sure I have such a terminal on my ignition switch. If I did, would that work in place of the relay setup?


Ted

Yes, but in using a relay you will dramatically lessen the power going through the switch, thereby extending its operational life, as well as supplying more power to the fan (from the relay) and decreasing heat generated in the wire (although that's pro'bly negligible, in this case).

 

Other than that, using that spare lug on the ignition switch (to drive the fan relay) is fine.

Originally Posted by Gordon Nichols - Massachusetts 1993 CMC:

It all depends on which direction the door has to move (in 3 dimensions).  You really have to sit there and see where it's out to begin with, then determine where to put the shims and how thick they should be.  

 

I aligned the doors on the red Speedster that Alan finished and all I used was some flat aluminum stock 2-1/2" square or so.  Sometimes it goes between the door and the hinge, sometimes between the body and the hinge, depending on which door corner you're trying to move and in which direction.

 

A very little difference in shim thickness and where positioned can make a BIG difference in the end result, so go slowly and play with different thicknesses until you get it to where it looks cool.

Thanks, Gordon! Your info makes sense. I'll put this on 'the list' of tasks to tackle. Now that the seal has arrived I'll turn my attention back to getting the ole girl up and running again. 

 

Jan - I know it seems like I'm all over the place on this car. I like to keep myself busy while I'm waiting for parts.

 

I started to tear into the oil system as part of an overall project to keep the motor cool and attack a few small oil drips. With the proper Gene Berg oil pump cover, the new 'step stud' on the sump and the 'red seal nuts' on the oil pump - I hope to have solved my oil drips.  I uncovered the sand seal when I was trying to install the proper 7" crank pulley. Previously I had no idea the motor was running a sand seal. Once I discovered the seal was leaking I decided to replace the seal and put a proper sized sand seal pulley on the car.

 

Naturally, while the oil was out, I figured it's the right time to install the cooler and thermostat. With the stock sized pulley, the cooler, the thermostat, the fan, etc. - I should be able to help keep the temps down into comfortable levels. Granted, it was't bad before - I just didn't like watching the temps go up while sitting in traffic.

 

I've also been planning on sealing up the rear most area of the engine compartment. It's always bothered me that it was 'open' the the heat from the header. A 38" x 4" gap can let in a lot of heat while sitting in traffic. Gotta keep the hot side hot and the cold side cold.

 

I decided to tackle the dingy back end because it's the first thing I see as I pull and out of the garage every single day. Also the wires are in the visible as I'm dealing with both the waxing of the rear of the car AND sealing up the rear of the body/engine tin.

 

Ted 

Originally Posted by TRP:

I have been putting that off.

 

The new sand seal and the BOSCH relay(s) arrived yesterday, so now I have no excuse not to finish all of that up. It's on the radar, I just haven't wrapped it up yet. I started to remove the cooler and the hoses so I could build a proper FOD screen over the cooler. I'd hate for a rock to come off the tire and damage that cooler/fan.

 

I had one question on the fan wiring. What if I pulled my 12V off of a terminal that's only 'hot' when the starter is not cranking? I'm pretty sure I have such a terminal on my ignition switch. If I did, would that work in place of the relay setup?


Ted

this is what I already wrote you got these two possibilities: you can take the power from the relay ore from the ignition switch. I also think the way to do it with the relay might be easier for you because you don't have to put an extra cable from the ignition switch up to the fan across the vehicle.

Originally Posted by Jan Peter Stahl:
Originally Posted by TRP:

I have been putting that off.

 

The new sand seal and the BOSCH relay(s) arrived yesterday, so now I have no excuse not to finish all of that up. It's on the radar, I just haven't wrapped it up yet. I started to remove the cooler and the hoses so I could build a proper FOD screen over the cooler. I'd hate for a rock to come off the tire and damage that cooler/fan.

 

I had one question on the fan wiring. What if I pulled my 12V off of a terminal that's only 'hot' when the starter is not cranking? I'm pretty sure I have such a terminal on my ignition switch. If I did, would that work in place of the relay setup?


Ted

this is what I already wrote you got these two possibilities: you can take the power from the relay ore from the ignition switch. I also think the way to do it with the relay might be easier for you because you don't have to put an extra cable from the ignition switch up to the fan across the vehicle.

Fair enough. That's probably where I got the idea then. 

 

Ted

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Missed my anniversary? How did that happen?

 

So, turns out that in early March (the 6th?) was my one year anniversary of owning the speedster. ALB reminded me of it yesterday. I can't believe how fast the time has flown. I'll have to go back and do a retrospective of all the stuff I've done to the car over the past 365 days. I'll remember what Wolfgang and Gordon said ("Don't add up the receipts!).

 

I think I'll celebrate by wrapping up the cooler install and getting her back on the road today. I got most of it done yesterday. I was bummed that the 'thermostat switch' didn't seem to work. The cooler works well, but I let the car run for 20 minutes in the garage and the fan never came on. I jumped the 12V across the two pins on the switch and the fan came alive, but the 'switch' never triggered. My thought is that the with the fan switch on the return side of the cooler, the oil leaving the cooler was under 180.  Not sure if that's accurate but it's a theory. 

 

Setrab suggested putting the switch on the INLET side of the cooler. Considering moving it to their suggested location.  Thoughts? Suggestions?

 

I fixed the stud on the sump. No more leaks there. I still have a drip at the oil pump even after replacing the rear cover and installing the red seal nuts. Looks like it's coming from the top. Might need to pull the pulley, the tins, and go at it again. 

 

While I'm cleaning up the rear wires, I took the time to install LED's. 

 

 

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  • IMAG0329: Hoses and hoses and hoses
  • IMAG0330: More hoses... (I swapped them like Jan suggested)

With the fan switch on the inlet side of the cooler, the fan is running whenever oil is circulating through the cooler, and that isn't necessary. I've never heard a reasonable explanation as to why they suggest it. As you said, a lot of the time it's going to be less than 180' after the cooler. 

 

YOU WANT THE OIL TO BE CLOSE TO THAT TEMPERATURE, SO WHY RUN THE FAN AND MAKE THE OIL EVEN COLDER?

 

Remember, oil does it's job best when it's 180-200 or 210'F. I think the cooler thermostat should be set to open at 200 or 210', as the engine's just getting warmed up at 180, but they don't make them like that.

 

And congratulations, Ted; you've definitely got the Madness! and you're an inspiration. 

it just means everyting is 100% o.k.
running the engine in the garage will never bring ist to the temerature, you need to swirch on the fan. my Engine for example neeeds 20 minutes hard driving in the hot summer to switch it on.
to give you an idea for the right temperature 180 deree is the temperature you cant touch the metal of the cooler for longer tha3 seconds. If you can touch it for lorger, it's to cold, try it out

one more imprportent thing: Engines need this oil temperature If the temperature is too low the engine gets more problems than you might think. there is always a little bit of petrol and water in the oil, if the oil temperature is allways too low, you will never bring it out, it gets more and more and destoys your engine with the time.
believ me, I'm working for the Audi engine development center here in Ingolstadt Germany and I know what I'm talking about.. temperature management is a very important thing and low temperature is a even an as big problem as high temperature...

 

Originally Posted by Jan Peter Stahl:

it just means everyting is 100% o.k.
running the engine in the garage will never bring ist to the temerature, you need to swirch on the fan. my Engine for example neeeds 20 minutes hard driving in the hot summer to switch it on.
to give you an idea for the right temperature 180 deree is the temperature you cant touch the metal of the cooler for longer tha3 seconds. If you can touch it for lorger, it's to cold, try it out

one more imprportent thing: Engines need this oil temperature If the temperature is too low the engine gets more problems than you might think. there is always a little bit of petrol and water in the oil, if the oil temperature is allways too low, you will never bring it out, it gets more and more and destoys your engine with the time.
believ me, I'm working for the Audi engine development center here in Ingolstadt Germany and I know what I'm talking about.. temperature management is a very important thing and low temperature is a even an as big problem as high temperature...

 

 

Gary and Jan are right. Want to see the effects of an engine running too cold? Look at a beetle engine with no thermostat or flaps; in my neck of the woods (Vancouver, BC) oil temps won't reach 180'F for several months of the year, and removing the oil filler cap will yeild a mungy, dirty, mayonaise like substance at the top of the filler, which is condensation from the engine not reaching proper operating temps. Engines like this (even rebuilt stock 1600's) don't last 60,000 miles because of moisture build up, gas dilution and acid corrosion from not reaching operating temps for months at a time! A friend here who still drive a beetle full time (78x90.5, FK44 with 1.3 rockers, 40x35 heads, Webers or Dels, I forget) removes the rear breast plate over the exhaust during the winter months, otherwise the engine never fully warms up around town.

 

Gene Berg once said that an engine's life was shortened 12- 15% from the longer warm up times caused by people removing the thermostat and flaps, and that's in souther California. An engine (any engine) needs to get to proper operating temps quickly to minimize the damage from running too cold.

Drove the car for 20 minutes today. Motor is leaking somewhere behind the crank pulley or the top of the oil pump. Drained some oil out because the oil level was a tad on the high side. The oil has a lot of sparkle/shimmering silver dust in it. Brad Penn shouldn't shimmer. Need to tear it down and inspect what's going on in there.

This motor is coming out and the 1600 is going back in.

Lame.
Originally Posted by TRP:
Drove the car for 20 minutes today. Motor is leaking somewhere behind the crank pulley or the top of the oil pump. Drained some oil out because the oil level was a tad on the high side. The oil has a lot of sparkle/shimmering silver dust in it. Brad Penn shouldn't shimmer. Need to tear it down and inspect what's going on in there.

This motor is coming out and the 1600 is going back in.

Lame.

That sucks, it is bad enough to find metal particles in an old engine but worse in a newly built one...I hope it is not really major like shaved cylinders or something.

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