I'm on it. Berg it is. I just need to figure out why the top two studs were replaced with what appear to be bolts. Maybe just get 4 new studs and 4 red washer nuts?
Ted
I'm on it. Berg it is. I just need to figure out why the top two studs were replaced with what appear to be bolts. Maybe just get 4 new studs and 4 red washer nuts?
Ted
Ted
YES!! as I learned while my car was In rehab with the Wizard Scott Sebastian..
"Replace old with new' ALWAYS!! if you cant then clean it!!
tebs
Okey doke! Parts ordered.
I'm just going to dive in and knock it all out at once. I'm kind of tired of my once leak free car smelling like burnt oil. I'll fix the oil leaks and install the cooler at the same time.
Ted
Just paid for my wheel. Mike said it's in final finishing stages now. Yeah!
GeneBerg sent me my oil parts. Yeah!
Drove the speedster into the office today. Yeah!
Not a single drop of oil on the ground under the car after two 40 mile drives and a 20 mile trip to the office. F' YEAH!
I'm not sure how this day could get any better.
Ted
Just paid for my wheel. Mike said it's in final finishing stages now. Yeah!
GeneBerg sent me my oil parts. Yeah!
Drove the speedster into the office today. Yeah!
Not a single drop of oil on the ground under the car after two 40 mile drives and a 20 mile trip to the office. F' YEAH!
I'm not sure how this day could get any better.
Ted
I don't think it can. I'm in Gilroy working and the weather is awesome. Perfect in fact for top down cruising.
Just paid for my wheel. Mike said it's in final finishing stages now. Yeah!
GeneBerg sent me my oil parts. Yeah!
Drove the speedster into the office today. Yeah!
Not a single drop of oil on the ground under the car after two 40 mile drives and a 20 mile trip to the office. F' YEAH!
I'm not sure how this day could get any better.
Ted
Well, you could always get la*d...
Just paid for my wheel. Mike said it's in final finishing stages now. Yeah!
GeneBerg sent me my oil parts. Yeah!
Drove the speedster into the office today. Yeah!
Not a single drop of oil on the ground under the car after two 40 mile drives and a 20 mile trip to the office. F' YEAH!
I'm not sure how this day could get any better.
Ted
Well, you could always get la*d...
By a women!
Bob's right, Ted; doesn't matter how great the day is, that just makes it better!
Just paid for my wheel. Mike said it's in final finishing stages now. Yeah!
GeneBerg sent me my oil parts. Yeah!
Drove the speedster into the office today. Yeah!
Not a single drop of oil on the ground under the car after two 40 mile drives and a 20 mile trip to the office. F' YEAH!
I'm not sure how this day could get any better.
Ted
I don't think it can. I'm in Gilroy working and the weather is awesome. Perfect in fact for top down cruising.
You're in Gilroy!? You're most likely 8 miles from my place.
Just paid for my wheel. Mike said it's in final finishing stages now. Yeah!
GeneBerg sent me my oil parts. Yeah!
Drove the speedster into the office today. Yeah!
Not a single drop of oil on the ground under the car after two 40 mile drives and a 20 mile trip to the office. F' YEAH!
I'm not sure how this day could get any better.
Ted
Well, you could always get la*d...
Been married for 16 years. I've got a better chance of being eaten by a bear and a tiger, in the same day.
Just paid for my wheel. Mike said it's in final finishing stages now. Yeah!
GeneBerg sent me my oil parts. Yeah!
Drove the speedster into the office today. Yeah!
Not a single drop of oil on the ground under the car after two 40 mile drives and a 20 mile trip to the office. F' YEAH!
I'm not sure how this day could get any better.
Ted
Well, you could always get la*d...
By a women!
oh... that just reduced my chances by at least 50%.
Just paid for my wheel. Mike said it's in final finishing stages now. Yeah!
GeneBerg sent me my oil parts. Yeah!
Drove the speedster into the office today. Yeah!
Not a single drop of oil on the ground under the car after two 40 mile drives and a 20 mile trip to the office. F' YEAH!
I'm not sure how this day could get any better.
Ted
I don't think it can. I'm in Gilroy working and the weather is awesome. Perfect in fact for top down cruising.
You're in Gilroy!? You're most likely 8 miles from my place.
Sent you a PM
Met Robert last week. Good guy! Had a nice chat. Looking forward to seeing him in June in SLO.
So, These parts showed up. Waiting on some longer wheel studs before I can make use of them.
Should make for an interesting transformation. Good news is that I have at least 3 more sets of wheels to go through before I can challenge Marty and Terry for the wheel monger title.
Ted
So...how do explain all the deliveries to Alexis?
"Honey! Look what the nice members from SOC sent me! Free! No, really...they had extra parts just laying around."
Going to look sweet, Ted! Tire brand and size?
OOOhhhh; I didn't realize you bought the good ones....
WTG Ted, those are the ultimate wheels!
I was working on a homicide case wherein our suspect was in Gilroy, which isn't too far from where Ted lives in Morgan Hill, so I let him know I was close and was hoping we could meet. Meeting Ted was fun, he is the epitome of this whole Madness thing. It was really cool to see what he had done to his car and interesting to hear what else he's going to do.
I thought he had been a car guy his whole life but found out he was learning as he goes while working on his Speedster. You'd never know it talking to him. That was pretty dang cool.
Looking forward to SLO.
Heh, heh, chuckle, snort, heh...
Ted thinks he might send them back. He's killin' me here!
Chuckle, snort, heh...
Ted- Get ready for that kitchen remodel.
Heh, heh, chuckle, snort, heh...
Ted thinks he might send them back. He's killin' me here!
Chuckle, snort, heh...
Ted- Get ready for that kitchen remodel.
Yes. I see granite counter tops and built in appliances in your future...or Judge Judy.
Seriously, Ted-- you can put the buyer's remorse aside. Those wheels are all that and a bag of chips. Really, really sweet.
Mount 'em up and roll 'em. Just don't sell your car a year after you "finish" it, and you'll be fine. Those wheels will still be cool 10 year from now.
They will certainly help. And if Alexis asks, tell her, "I went totally budget; I didn't get them painted and I'm not even putting on hubcaps."
Robert;
Thanks for the insight. I also thought Ted was a "lifer". Now I am really impressed.
I couldn't install a set of carbs, tune and go, if my life depended on it.
Art
Ted
You are my hero, buddy! Fearless, steadfast and supporting the economy!
Ted
You are my hero, buddy! Fearless, steadfast and supporting the economy!
Success! I've always said, if you want a good haircut you head to the 'hood. You want to find a guy to do great interior work? Find out where the low riders go.
After trying 4 places and being turned away I decided to head to the other side of the tracks. Where my people live. I drove around and found the place with the biggest 'dubs' I could find. BINGO.
Adrian (the owner) said he had the best machines in town and that he prided himself on mounting wheels and tires without a single scratch. He said "If I scratch the wheels or ding them, I'll pay for new ones. I don't care what they cost. If I damage them, I'll buy them." He followed up with "It's going to cost you..." At this point, I knew I had found my guy.
I paid $50.00 per wheel but he was true to his word. Not. One. Scratch. None of his machines ever touched the wheels. The brackets show below actually had rubber/delrin guides on it. They were brand new! Still in the plastic. He was pretty proud to be able to use them for the first time.
I'm *VERY* pleased and glad that I didn't risk it with another shop. I'm not sure I could have missed this place if I tried.
Now I'm waiting for the wheel studs to arrive. They are on the slow truck from New York. I ordered them last Monday. They are supposed to arrive this coming Friday.
The waiting is the hardest part!
Ted
Very cool Ted!
Beautiful Ted. The Pirelli's look great on those technomag wheels!i
Those look soooo dang cool with the tires mounted on them. Anxious to see them on your car, my brutha!
Beautiful. Best wide 5's money can buy.
Very cool and educational as well. Thanks for sharing!
See....you are a hero. You braved the hood and it paid off. The wheels and tires look great.
Bob - you're too funny. It was rough going there for a spell, but I muscled through.
Thank you all for the compliments. I'm slowly adjusting to my "why not?!" moment. I was on the fence for a while until I saw the wheels with the tires mounted on them. At this point there is no turning back. I'm still not completely sure I'm ready to go full outlaw. I love the look of the moons and chromies, but I also dig the silver look with the wheel skins.
Once I get' 'em on the car I'll be more at ease.
Took 'er out for a spin today. I've developed a bit of 'chatter' from the right rear rotor. I'm going to need to get in there and see if the pads are seated properly in the calipers. I've also noticed that this 1915 tends to run really warm. I think I should man up and put that cooler in before I do damage to this motor.
Bob - how's FLA treating you? You get settled in yet? Get that speedster down there on the coast and snap a photo or two.
Ted
Wheel studs arrived! The Tecnomagnesio wheels have a different offset than the mangles. I can't use spacers without the wheels rubbing on the fender lip. The studs are too long to use without spacers.
Studs go back for an exchange. Same story for the spacers.
For those of you who are still hanging around, here are some photos of the install:
Very, very nice Ted. Well, except for the rubbing part.
real nice im jealous.got all the parts sitting on a pallet in the garage from beck to do a wide 5 four wheel disc conversion.have no time because of a house remodel project,and out of money to buy the tires!by the time i finish the house it will be driving season and i damn sure not taking off the road to do it,so i probably wont get to do it till next winter.
Wow, Ted...... Once you get the parts sorted (often a PITA with this hobby), those wheels look absolutely fabulous on your car.
Very little would get me to move away from my Fuchs wheels, but those would.
Great choice!
I agree Gordon. I saw an Emory Outlaw 356 at Watkins Glen this past September with those wheels, and they are fantastic.
Beautiful wheels
Ted, please help out; why are the spacers needed?
Ted, please help out; why are the spacers needed?
Ted, I love ya' man, you Have the madness, squared.
If you just lose the spacers is that really going to change the appearance much?
I share your concerns about the idea of shaving the glass down.
Ted, please help out; why are the spacers needed?
Don't worry, Ted, it will look the part with or without the spacers.
Remember, what's important is getting them to clear the bodywork.
Can I try an eency weency spacer?... a wafer thin spacer?
/me kicks the dirt.
I'll get the correct length studs and regroup.
I should really install the oil cooler and the other goodies instead of focusing on these silly race car upgrades. Function over form.
Damn the madness, it'll get you every time.
Ted
Ted:
Re the Rubbing issue
What I would Recommend ( and this advice came from the Nuckle Brothers) A PLAYING CARD! Remember when you use to put those on your bike just right so it would hit the spokes to make that cool sound well WA LAH!! just an Idea
By the way car looks great rims look good cant wait to see her in SLO...
Tebs
Thanks Tebs!
So, this weekend I tore the car apart (stop me if you've heard this one before...)
I feel like I"m always taking the darn thing off the road to do something. My Daughter even asked asked "NOW what are you doing?
Anyway, as I said in a different thread, I have to put a bigger pulley on the crank to keep the motor cooler at idle. While I had it all apart, I figured I would also install the oil cooler, the thermostat, Gene Berg oil pump cover, and the new hose / hose fittings.
Once I got the pulley out, I found that the case was cut for a sand seal. So the pulley I have isn't useable. I can get it cut down or I could just purchase a new pulley that is already cut for a sand seal. Trying to decide if I really need the gene berg 'achiever' 3.5lb weighted pulley or not. Does it really do anything on a 1915? Al? Gordon? etc - what say you?
While I wait to make that decision I installed the oil cooler and mounted the oil filter in it's forever home. (I'll post photos tonight/tomorrow.) So far so good.
With the oil cooler, here is my end goal:
I have a thermostat fan switch on the outlet of the remote oil cooler.
What yahoo designed this part?:
There is no way to mount the stupid thing! I need to make a stirrup or horseshoe (exhaust bolt?) to lash it to the inner fender well. I made a nice wheel well doubler out of aluminum to add some extra rigidity and spread the load our across the entire area. I felt like it would be necessary due to the extra weight being hung on it.
Oh! While it's apart I'll also install that 'step stud' into the sump. Hopefully I'll fix that loose / drippy stud.
Once I figure out what to do with the pulley, I should be able to get this cream puff back on the road.
Oh, regarding the oil pump cover, I simply installed a new oil pump gasket and bolted it back up with the 'red seal' nuts. Should I have used any form of silicone sealer or gasket goop between the gasket and the pump cover? It's not too late, I can go back in there and put some RTV or whatever in there.
Thanks for checking in,
Ted
The oil pump cover gasket is one of the few places you don't want to use sealer.... Any excess that might be inside the pump body has the potential to cause problems and you also want a close fit between the pump rotors and the cover.... A standard diameter pulley should work well if the engine has not been built with the goal of over 120hp in mind...
Sounds like you should have it pretty well "bullet proofed" when you get it back together.....
Good luck and tell your daughter you are protecting her inheritance....
Be sure not to cross the oil filter housing in and out hoses, there is a check ball valve in it and if the hoses are reversed you get no oil....From experience, I speak
Be sure not to cross the oil filter housing in and out hoses, there is a check ball valve in it and if the hoses are reversed you get no oil....From experience, I speak
Oh No! I swapped the two lines when I first set up the remote filter. I didn't have the clamps tightened down and it popped a line off of the pump. Very messy learning process. I have drawn 'red' and 'black' arrows on each fitting to make sure the hot is going / flowing properly. Once the oil comes out of the cooler, then everything is flowing through the 'black' or 'cold' fittings.
/fingers crossed that I get it right.
Ted
Thanks Tebs!
So, this weekend I tore the car apart (stop me if you've heard this one before...)
I feel like I"m always taking the darn thing off the road to do something. My Daughter even asked asked "NOW what are you doing?
Anyway, as I said in a different thread, I have to put a bigger pulley on the crank to keep the motor cooler at idle. While I had it all apart, I figured I would also install the oil cooler, the thermostat, Gene Berg oil pump cover, and the new hose / hose fittings.
Once I got the pulley out, I found that the case was cut for a sand seal. So the pulley I have isn't useable. I can get it cut down or I could just purchase a new pulley that is already cut for a sand seal. Trying to decide if I really need the gene berg 'achiever' 3.5lb weighted pulley or not. Does it really do anything on a 1915? Al? Gordon? etc - what say you?
While I wait to make that decision I installed the oil cooler and mounted the oil filter in it's forever home. (I'll post photos tonight/tomorrow.) So far so good.
With the oil cooler, here is my end goal:
I have a thermostat fan switch on the outlet of the remote oil cooler.
What yahoo designed this part?:
There is no way to mount the stupid thing! I need to make a stirrup or horseshoe (exhaust bolt?) to lash it to the inner fender well. I made a nice wheel well doubler out of aluminum to add some extra rigidity and spread the load our across the entire area. I felt like it would be necessary due to the extra weight being hung on it.
Oh! While it's apart I'll also install that 'step stud' into the sump. Hopefully I'll fix that loose / drippy stud.
Once I figure out what to do with the pulley, I should be able to get this cream puff back on the road.
Oh, regarding the oil pump cover, I simply installed a new oil pump gasket and bolted it back up with the 'red seal' nuts. Should I have used any form of silicone sealer or gasket goop between the gasket and the pump cover? It's not too late, I can go back in there and put some RTV or whatever in there.
Thanks for checking in,
Ted
Sorry for the hijack. I just received my empi thermo bypass valve with no directions or markings with in/out flow. What is the proper hook up? I see E1 and E2 on one side and C1 and C2 on the other
On the side with the little flange mine was labeled 'hot' on one side and 'cold' on the other. The way I understand this part - it shouldn't matter. Why? Under temps under 180, the bypass operates in a passive manner. It will allow some oil to flow into the cooler at all times. Only after the 180* is reached will the thermostat valve snap over and force all oil through the cooler.
Position the housing the way you see it below and you should be okay. Notice how the bypass valve has one 'fat' end and one 'skinny' end' with the hoses coming in from each side. Looks like the 'cool' side is the side closest to the fat end.
Hope this helps,
Ted
Re the Berg Achiever crank pulley: IIRC, that is an all-steel pulley, somewhat heavier than a machined Billet aluminum pulley, with the intent that it acts like an harmonic balancer on the crankshaft. American engines, especially V8s, have been running harmonic balancers for decades, so they know that they work, especially with some of the strange crankshafts that came out of Detroit over the years.
If you already have a balanced engine, 1915cc or less, and you don't expect to spend much time between 5,500-7,000 rpm, then in my opinion an harmonic balancer crank pulley would be a waste of money. For that RPM range, it would be almost as good to run a stock, GERMAN, steel pulley, but then you would lose the degree wheel which can be handy (of course, you could also just mark a stock pulley at 30 degrees BTDC with a file....)
If, otoh, you intend to take it racing and wish to protect the pulley end bearing from distorting the case after, say, 100,000 miles (somewhat farther than you'll probably drive this car) then go ahead and buy an "Achiever" to fit your sand seal.
Thank you, Gordon. I appreciate the clarity you've provided.
Off to get a standard sized sand seal pulley.
Ted
I'd be a customer for a true harmonic dampener pulley. A counterweighted crank is by no means "balanced", and a dampener is just a good idea. I've never been gung-ho on the Berg solid chunk 'o metal-- but if I had one, I'd certainly do what it took to use it.
My opinion only. That and a buck will buy you a coffee at McDs.
I hear you large on that, Stan. Too many years ago I cut a VW engine in half to make a two cylinder engine for a Fisher FP-2 airplane. I had my local machinist cut the crank at the right spot and weld on the "recommended" counterweights.
Took the unusual crank to my unusual auto machine shop for balancing. $45 later they said come pick it up. Balanced to 7,500 rpm. Yow. I flew it for years...nice and smooth.
I managed to get some work done on the ole girl today. I wrapped up the cooler, thermostat, and oil filter install. It's not looking all together too horrible.
I received the new wheel studs this week. I turned my attention to the rear wheels/fenders. I decided that it's not an outlaw if you don't cut the fender lips. I trimmed about 1/4" off part of the rear fenders with a grinder. Below is a photo of the wheels with some 20mm spacers. The 20mm units are just a tad too large. I will most likely step down to some 15mm units for the rear.
Took a shot of the Lempert VDM replica wheel. Still waiting on the horn button from JPS.
One step closer!
Ted
Damn cool steering wheel. Sorta looks like a Nardi.
Ted, you are a very adventurous sort, with mad skilz, as they say. n When you run out of things to mod on this car, it is going to be something else. Great pics -- keep 'em coming.
Love the Outlaw direction you're going with! Wheels are BAD A$$!!!!
@ Ted
Hello Ted a really, really cool thing you mounted the oil cooler. however there is a little thing noticed from me:
I think it is very important that the output from the oil filter is connected to the lower input of the oil cooler. And the upper one has to go back to the Engine.
This is the only way to prevend that air bubbles can stay in the oil cooler.
If it's not done this way, it will always take time til you have the full oil pressure and the oter thing is with air bubbles the performance of the cooler is much lower.
I'm not entirely sure but when i follow the oil lines on your picture, it seems you mounted it the other way around.
So cheers and thumbs up for your construction!
Greetings from Germany, Jan
Hello Jan,
That's a good catch. Makes sense. If the oil simply has to 'fall down' through the cooler it's not going to get the full effect of the cooling. If I have to push the oil up and through the cooler it will 'fill' the cooler before it is pushed out the top.
The fan switch (I need to finish wiring that up) will be on the 'inlet' and not the 'outlet', but that's a minor detail.
I'll swap the hoses at the thermostat today.
frazerk - Thanks for the kind words. I'm a mere hack compared to some of these members. Your comment on the wheel inspired me to learn the differences between the Nardi and the VDM. The two are actually identical except for the embellishments. The Nardi has a single black inlay. The VDM replaces the inlay with two groves which are painted black. When I ordered the wheel I wanted something different from the standard Nardi, but didn't want to stray too far. I was on the fence between the VDM and a wheel like Terry's. I'm still not sure I made the right decision. I may have to order a second one so I can change them out like Marty changes shoes.
Jim - Thanks buddy! I was trying to figure out if I liked the tecnos on the car or not. I had to keep asking myself... What Would Rod Emory Do? (WWRED?) I was looking at the car and decided to figure out where I would have to cut the lips. The more I looked at it I figured I'd give it a go. Glad I did. Only a trained eye looking up under the wheel well could tell they have been shaved. Now that I think I've mastered the wheel spacers on the rear, I love with how the rear looks. I'll need to pull the rear tires back 1/8" to 1/4", but it should still retain that fat boy look.
Does anyone make a WIDER front beam? I'd love to push the front wheels out a bit. I also think I'm going to have the front wheel studs taken down about a 1/4 to 3/8" of an inch. They are *jjjjjuuuuuuust* a bit too long without the spacers behind them. I only want maybe 3/8" of the stud sticking out past the lug nut.
As always - thanks for checking in. I appreciate it. Keeps me from making mistakes like Jan pointed out above! Plus the encouragement and compliments keep me going.
Hi Ted,
usually you put the switch to the outlet.
the logic behind it:
the fan should not switch on as long as the cooler does it's job alone without fan.
And another tip from my experience: Build a relay circuit witch shuts of the fan during the engine start. This makes the engine start much easyer with hot motor!
if the fan is running during start, it takes too much energie from the ignition.
Cheers
Hi Ted,
usually you put the switch to the outlet.
the logic behind it:
the fan should not switch on as long as the cooler does it's job alone without fan.
And another tip from my experience: Build a relay circuit witch shuts of the fan during the engine start. This makes the engine start much easyer with hot motor!
if the fan is running during start, it takes too much energie from the ignition.
Cheers
I understand the logic for the switch on the outlet, unfortunately with the way it's plumbed up right now, it's a space issue. The switch doesn't HAVE to be hung directly off the cooler. I could simply put it in line anywhere on the return line. I'll need to change some stuff and buy an extra fitting or two, but it should work.
The other side of that coin is that with where the cooler is mounted, it's not going to get a whole lot of static airflow. So I'm not sure how effective the cooling will be without the fan on. I'm going to build a scoop to hopefully direct air over the cooler to hopefully improve the efficiency. I also want to build a FOD screen for in front of the fan. Man, this thing is never done.
If you have a schematic for that relay, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks!
Think my drawing is even not better than my english writing ;-) but I tried.
Putting the switch somewere into the returne line might be the best. Maybe close to the thermostate?!
About the Ralay: You just need a simple 5-pin car Relay. The numbers on the relay should match to the numbers on my schematic.
p.s. what you can also do: Some Ignition lock switches have an extra pin witch is switched of during the start of the engine, you also can use this. BUT in this case you have to put an extra cable from the ignition switch up to the fan all through across the vehicle... I would prefer to do it with the relay like in my schematic.
Ted, I mounted my thermostat directly to the filter housing, used pipe thread to AN male fittings and a double female adapter between the two. No mounting needed. Been that way for 5 or 6 years now. I'll have to take a pic.
Still waiting for the silly sand seal to come in. While I was waiting I decided to clean up the back end of the car. I've successfully sanded and polished most of the rear of the car. I was never able to get in close around the license plate light, the license plate, around the tail lights or behind the bumper. It's always been kind of hazy and dull back around those parts.
I threw caution to the wind and removed everything so I could get in there and color sand the back end.
Below you can sort of see what I mean. Just dull and bleh.
Me and my trusty 2000 grit paper and a sanding block. Now it's REALLY dull.
First pass with some compound on a wool cutting pad. Second pass with a lighter compound on a new pad:
Third pass with a foam pad and some Chemical Brothers 'renew' glaze
One pass with the Chemical Brothers 'Black Light' and a final pass on the Cyclone polisher and some Chemical Brothers 'Black wax'.
At this point I can't tell if it looks any better than it did two passes ago, but it's a whole lot better than it was when I started.
Oh, while I was in there I decided to clean up the wires once and for all. Good ol Al had a hodge podge of bullet and butt connectors. I'm going to upgrade the entire mess to some standard plugs.
I did a tiny bit of work on the 'daily driver':
Tune in next time when I finally seal up the rear of the engine compartment. (between the rear subframe and the rear of the body.
Thanks for checking in...
Ted
Truely Awesome......
Oh yeah.. two more images.
One shot of the Mike Lempert with the horn button installed. YAY! Sorry Brandon, the horn button arrived before your car.
Alan, Greg, or anyone else - How do I solve this? The passenger door sticks out a tiny bit on the bottom rear. The top front is slightly recessed. I'm assuming it's a shim type fix. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Ted
Wow, Ted. The results of your sanding and polishing effort are truly spectacular. Nice work!
Ted - you got some mad paint polishing skilz! Car looks pretty good!
ditto what MUSBJIM said. I know nothing about how to "buff out' car paint, and you obviously have had some training. What are you going to do with a really shiny back end, and the rest -- um -- not so much?? And I'm gonna say that your st. wheel looks a lot like mine, a Nardi.
Veddy veddy nice, Ted. Me ? I'd be afraid to go near it now ! You make it look easy !
I be waitin' to hear what Alan says about the door. Just a little wiggle w/ the hinges, I guess, but maybe more complex.
First, shim the hinge that needs to push the door out, you don't need much here.
See what that has done for the one that has the door sticking out, you may need to remove the hinge and grind a bit off the surface to make it slightly thinner again, you don't need to remove much.
ditto what MUSBJIM said. I know nothing about how to "buff out' car paint, and you obviously have had some training. What are you going to do with a really shiny back end, and the rest -- um -- not so much?? And I'm gonna say that your st. wheel looks a lot like mine, a Nardi.
I've been working my way around the car. Color sanding and knocking out the scratches. As Jim can attest, the car had a LOT or orange peel when I picked it up. I started my color sanding on the front right fender (the worst spot) about 6 months ago. I've made my way clear around to the driver side door. I have the door, the front left fender and the hood left to do. It's all pretty shiny, some places have more orange peel than others. The hood will be a big transformation. I may tape off half of it just to show the big difference with and without color sanding.
With respect to the the Nardi wheel: The replica VDM and Nardi are nearly identical wheels. The only appreciable difference is the Nardi has one dark band of inlay. The VDM has two black stripes. The 'profile' and size of the replica wheels are pretty close. I believe the the originals were larger in diameter and profile shape/size.
David - Ha! Yeah, no kidding. I was afraid to put the cover on it. The paint is old and soft. It gets light surface scratches on it pretty easily. My goal wasto get all the deep orange peel and scratches out of the paint. Plus this forced me to clean up the wires. They are a mess.
Regarding pant work: Believe it or not, I have had no formal training. It's all learned by doing it and from watching videos on you tube. Color sanding is the scary part. Buffing? The machine(s) do all the work. The biggest thing is to know how the buffing pad is turning and to not have that go up against a hard edge (fender lip, door gap, etc. etc.) So long as the pad is turning away/off the edge - then you're good. If the pad is turning towards or 'onto' the hard edge you will burn the paint. Go slow. 1400 rmp is the most I do. Just go slow and do like 2' at a time. This paint is pretty tired. Once the whole 'patina' fad is over, I'll get it repainted. If I get through the entire car without having a major mistake, it'll be a miracle.
You Tube is man's new best friend!
First, shim the hinge that needs to push the door out, you don't need much here.
See what that has done for the one that has the door sticking out, you may need to remove the hinge and grind a bit off the surface to make it slightly thinner again, you don't need to remove much.
What should I use for a shim? Thin pieces of metal between the hinge and the door? or hinge and the body? Is this process written down any place or is it another 'earn an you learn' type deal?
I'm sure it'll make sense once I stuff the first shim or two in there.
Thanks for the quick replies!
Ted
Ted;
My drivers door is shimmed out at the top. Thin little rectangular metal. A fender washer(s) would work equally as well.
I don't like seeing them every time I open the door and look at the door jamb. BUT, I haven't fixed my butt sag yet, so I'm hoping this might fix it all.
BTW....your body shine work is very nice. you ought to be proud and happy. Me, I'm just jealous.
TRP: My bet this is all OJT. There is some sh## you just can't write down. And you can buy shim stock of various thicknesses. Alan says you don't need much, so I am thinking a few thou here or there at the hinge.
Ted
Mine is shimmed between the hinge and body. FWIW.
It all depends on which direction the door has to move (in 3 dimensions). You really have to sit there and see where it's out to begin with, then determine where to put the shims and how thick they should be.
I aligned the doors on the red Speedster that Alan finished and all I used was some flat aluminum stock 2-1/2" square or so. Sometimes it goes between the door and the hinge, sometimes between the body and the hinge, depending on which door corner you're trying to move and in which direction.
A very little difference in shim thickness and where positioned can make a BIG difference in the end result, so go slowly and play with different thicknesses until you get it to where it looks cool.
@Ted
any news about wiring, swap hoses and pumping oil up ore down? ;-)
I have been putting that off.
The new sand seal and the BOSCH relay(s) arrived yesterday, so now I have no excuse not to finish all of that up. It's on the radar, I just haven't wrapped it up yet. I started to remove the cooler and the hoses so I could build a proper FOD screen over the cooler. I'd hate for a rock to come off the tire and damage that cooler/fan.
I had one question on the fan wiring. What if I pulled my 12V off of a terminal that's only 'hot' when the starter is not cranking? I'm pretty sure I have such a terminal on my ignition switch. If I did, would that work in place of the relay setup?
Ted
Yes, but in using a relay you will dramatically lessen the power going through the switch, thereby extending its operational life, as well as supplying more power to the fan (from the relay) and decreasing heat generated in the wire (although that's pro'bly negligible, in this case).
Other than that, using that spare lug on the ignition switch (to drive the fan relay) is fine.
It all depends on which direction the door has to move (in 3 dimensions). You really have to sit there and see where it's out to begin with, then determine where to put the shims and how thick they should be.
I aligned the doors on the red Speedster that Alan finished and all I used was some flat aluminum stock 2-1/2" square or so. Sometimes it goes between the door and the hinge, sometimes between the body and the hinge, depending on which door corner you're trying to move and in which direction.
A very little difference in shim thickness and where positioned can make a BIG difference in the end result, so go slowly and play with different thicknesses until you get it to where it looks cool.
Thanks, Gordon! Your info makes sense. I'll put this on 'the list' of tasks to tackle. Now that the seal has arrived I'll turn my attention back to getting the ole girl up and running again.
Jan - I know it seems like I'm all over the place on this car. I like to keep myself busy while I'm waiting for parts.
I started to tear into the oil system as part of an overall project to keep the motor cool and attack a few small oil drips. With the proper Gene Berg oil pump cover, the new 'step stud' on the sump and the 'red seal nuts' on the oil pump - I hope to have solved my oil drips. I uncovered the sand seal when I was trying to install the proper 7" crank pulley. Previously I had no idea the motor was running a sand seal. Once I discovered the seal was leaking I decided to replace the seal and put a proper sized sand seal pulley on the car.
Naturally, while the oil was out, I figured it's the right time to install the cooler and thermostat. With the stock sized pulley, the cooler, the thermostat, the fan, etc. - I should be able to help keep the temps down into comfortable levels. Granted, it was't bad before - I just didn't like watching the temps go up while sitting in traffic.
I've also been planning on sealing up the rear most area of the engine compartment. It's always bothered me that it was 'open' the the heat from the header. A 38" x 4" gap can let in a lot of heat while sitting in traffic. Gotta keep the hot side hot and the cold side cold.
I decided to tackle the dingy back end because it's the first thing I see as I pull and out of the garage every single day. Also the wires are in the visible as I'm dealing with both the waxing of the rear of the car AND sealing up the rear of the body/engine tin.
Ted
I have been putting that off.
The new sand seal and the BOSCH relay(s) arrived yesterday, so now I have no excuse not to finish all of that up. It's on the radar, I just haven't wrapped it up yet. I started to remove the cooler and the hoses so I could build a proper FOD screen over the cooler. I'd hate for a rock to come off the tire and damage that cooler/fan.
I had one question on the fan wiring. What if I pulled my 12V off of a terminal that's only 'hot' when the starter is not cranking? I'm pretty sure I have such a terminal on my ignition switch. If I did, would that work in place of the relay setup?
Ted
this is what I already wrote you got these two possibilities: you can take the power from the relay ore from the ignition switch. I also think the way to do it with the relay might be easier for you because you don't have to put an extra cable from the ignition switch up to the fan across the vehicle.
I have been putting that off.
The new sand seal and the BOSCH relay(s) arrived yesterday, so now I have no excuse not to finish all of that up. It's on the radar, I just haven't wrapped it up yet. I started to remove the cooler and the hoses so I could build a proper FOD screen over the cooler. I'd hate for a rock to come off the tire and damage that cooler/fan.
I had one question on the fan wiring. What if I pulled my 12V off of a terminal that's only 'hot' when the starter is not cranking? I'm pretty sure I have such a terminal on my ignition switch. If I did, would that work in place of the relay setup?
Ted
this is what I already wrote you got these two possibilities: you can take the power from the relay ore from the ignition switch. I also think the way to do it with the relay might be easier for you because you don't have to put an extra cable from the ignition switch up to the fan across the vehicle.
Fair enough. That's probably where I got the idea then.
Ted
Missed my anniversary? How did that happen?
So, turns out that in early March (the 6th?) was my one year anniversary of owning the speedster. ALB reminded me of it yesterday. I can't believe how fast the time has flown. I'll have to go back and do a retrospective of all the stuff I've done to the car over the past 365 days. I'll remember what Wolfgang and Gordon said ("Don't add up the receipts!).
I think I'll celebrate by wrapping up the cooler install and getting her back on the road today. I got most of it done yesterday. I was bummed that the 'thermostat switch' didn't seem to work. The cooler works well, but I let the car run for 20 minutes in the garage and the fan never came on. I jumped the 12V across the two pins on the switch and the fan came alive, but the 'switch' never triggered. My thought is that the with the fan switch on the return side of the cooler, the oil leaving the cooler was under 180. Not sure if that's accurate but it's a theory.
Setrab suggested putting the switch on the INLET side of the cooler. Considering moving it to their suggested location. Thoughts? Suggestions?
I fixed the stud on the sump. No more leaks there. I still have a drip at the oil pump even after replacing the rear cover and installing the red seal nuts. Looks like it's coming from the top. Might need to pull the pulley, the tins, and go at it again.
While I'm cleaning up the rear wires, I took the time to install LED's.
With the fan switch on the inlet side of the cooler, the fan is running whenever oil is circulating through the cooler, and that isn't necessary. I've never heard a reasonable explanation as to why they suggest it. As you said, a lot of the time it's going to be less than 180' after the cooler.
YOU WANT THE OIL TO BE CLOSE TO THAT TEMPERATURE, SO WHY RUN THE FAN AND MAKE THE OIL EVEN COLDER?
Remember, oil does it's job best when it's 180-200 or 210'F. I think the cooler thermostat should be set to open at 200 or 210', as the engine's just getting warmed up at 180, but they don't make them like that.
And congratulations, Ted; you've definitely got the Madness! and you're an inspiration.
it just means everyting is 100% o.k.
running the engine in the garage will never bring ist to the temerature, you need to swirch on the fan. my Engine for example neeeds 20 minutes hard driving in the hot summer to switch it on.
to give you an idea for the right temperature 180 deree is the temperature you cant touch the metal of the cooler for longer tha3 seconds. If you can touch it for lorger, it's to cold, try it out
one more imprportent thing: Engines need this oil temperature If the temperature is too low the engine gets more problems than you might think. there is always a little bit of petrol and water in the oil, if the oil temperature is allways too low, you will never bring it out, it gets more and more and destoys your engine with the time.
believ me, I'm working for the Audi engine development center here in Ingolstadt Germany and I know what I'm talking about.. temperature management is a very important thing and low temperature is a even an as big problem as high temperature...
it just means everyting is 100% o.k.
running the engine in the garage will never bring ist to the temerature, you need to swirch on the fan. my Engine for example neeeds 20 minutes hard driving in the hot summer to switch it on.
to give you an idea for the right temperature 180 deree is the temperature you cant touch the metal of the cooler for longer tha3 seconds. If you can touch it for lorger, it's to cold, try it out
one more imprportent thing: Engines need this oil temperature If the temperature is too low the engine gets more problems than you might think. there is always a little bit of petrol and water in the oil, if the oil temperature is allways too low, you will never bring it out, it gets more and more and destoys your engine with the time.
believ me, I'm working for the Audi engine development center here in Ingolstadt Germany and I know what I'm talking about.. temperature management is a very important thing and low temperature is a even an as big problem as high temperature...
Gary and Jan are right. Want to see the effects of an engine running too cold? Look at a beetle engine with no thermostat or flaps; in my neck of the woods (Vancouver, BC) oil temps won't reach 180'F for several months of the year, and removing the oil filler cap will yeild a mungy, dirty, mayonaise like substance at the top of the filler, which is condensation from the engine not reaching proper operating temps. Engines like this (even rebuilt stock 1600's) don't last 60,000 miles because of moisture build up, gas dilution and acid corrosion from not reaching operating temps for months at a time! A friend here who still drive a beetle full time (78x90.5, FK44 with 1.3 rockers, 40x35 heads, Webers or Dels, I forget) removes the rear breast plate over the exhaust during the winter months, otherwise the engine never fully warms up around town.
Gene Berg once said that an engine's life was shortened 12- 15% from the longer warm up times caused by people removing the thermostat and flaps, and that's in souther California. An engine (any engine) needs to get to proper operating temps quickly to minimize the damage from running too cold.
That sucks, it is bad enough to find metal particles in an old engine but worse in a newly built one...I hope it is not really major like shaved cylinders or something.
Can't both of them be flushed out?
Ted, is this you first oil change with the new engine? If so, it is not unusual to find metal floating around in a new/rebuilt engine. When you change the oil again, keep a close eye on it and see if that continues, if so there is some interference inside the engine. To make sure it is metal, I would get a magnet and stir up the old oil and see if anything sticks, that way you will know if it really metal or not. Good luck.
Gary
coud you tell something about the engine? how long did it run at all after the revision? and a funny question: did anyone paint the engine case in silver before the engine was mounted?
Good point Jan! Now I know why I've painted the few cases I've rebuilt black...
Gary- If the cam and lifters are self-destructing most of what you'll see will be aluminum/magnesium from the cam gear and lifter bores, so I wouldn't be surprised if most of the material isn't attracted to the magnet.
Bummer, Ted! On the other hand, now you have an excuse for building that stroker..
ALB, I agree that some won't be picked up by metal, but it is any cheap easy way to verify if some metal is in the engine. Good point.
Gary
I believe if was the cam or lifters going bad you would have immediately noticed in the way the car performed. When either goes bad it is almost always self-evident in performance...at least that is what I've found in V-8's and I do not see a flat-4 being any different.
There are some shops around that build racing/hi-performance engines that can perform an oil analysis it may behoove you to have the oil checked out. I've had it done before years ago on a BB 427 I had bought used and after firing it up found what looked like metal particles in the fresh oil and it cost about $50-60 to have the analysis done...unfortunately for me the 427 needed a complete rebuild and bore as the particles were metal from the cylinder wall on the #7 piston.
It is pretty common for engine builders to use a graphite assembly lube on new parts, which comes out of the first few oil changes exactly as you described. We see it in new engines and transaxles quote often. I know that does;t help your leaks and such, but it may not be as bad as you think...
That is a BUMMER, Ted! As much as a pain in the a$$ a tear down would be, I know you wouldn't have any peace of mind unless you verified with a tear down. For you, that may be only a weekend project! When I retire next year, I can drive up whenever you need help wrenching on that bad boy, cuz I know you got the madness real bad and will still be tinkering!
As already mentioned, sounds a lot like builder lube. Builder lube will slowly go away over time. The first oil change should show a lot of fine filings - like a shimmer on the oil or dust suspended in it if viewed through a clear glass. put the container in the sun and it will shimmer like a rainbow. This will markedly decrease with the first three or four oil changes.
If the Setrab is downstream from (or after) the external oil filter in the circuit, then it should be fine as the filter will catch anything large enough to get trapped in the cooler. Some people make a living out of cutting oil filters in half and analyzing the residue left behind, but that's mostly for racers to determine what's wearing and whether it's time for a tear-down/rebuild.
Now....leaks - That's a whole 'nuther thing.
Sounds like you should drive it for a while before going through the bother of pulling the engine, Ted.
i like what Jan is saying here! I learn something new every time I visit this site.
Thanks for the replies guys. If I can fix this damn oil leak I'll run it a bit and see if it clears up. The stuff sounds exactly like what Gordon and the rest of you are describing. If it's builders lube, then that's great. My luck usually doesn't go that way.
The oil level was a little 'proud' of the top mark on the dip stick. I was hoping the extra oil (everywhere) was due to the extra oil pressure pushing past the sand seal. We'll see.
I will check the three questions you mention above. If I just open the crank case while it's running I'm pretty sure nothing comes out of the breather/inlet... unless I try to add oil while it's running, then it creates a horrible mess. Don't ask me how I know.
Jan - I see what you did there.
Ted
. . . and I'll assume you have a magnet in there and that you looked at that too. What did you see: little filings like hair?? I like the builder's lube theory to explain the appearance of the oil. Sounds right. Run it 300m mi, change the oil and filter, and run it some more, see what you see. Jan's list of three things is right on and easy to do. I rubbed a cam lobe off an old Volvo once and it took a really long time to fully develop. By the time I rebuilt it the lobe was most gone (I think it was an intake valve) and the car still ran pretty good if you did not ask it to do too much, but when you stepped on it and the cylinder pressure went up, it faltered and had a lot of popping up through the carbs. And of course the Volvo had one lobe per valve, and the VW has two valves per. Whatever that might mean -?-
Besides the damn thing leaking oil like the Valdez (crank seal, previously valve covers and sump stud) - the motor runs great. The oil looks like just fine particles. NO hairs. No chunks or anything, just a fine silt of what I assume is non magnetic material. I will run a magnet through the oil tonight. and possibly a cheese cloth.
I'll check the valve settings. I recently set them to .004 all the way around. A lot of people suggest loose / 0, but I couldn't get my head wrapped around NO valve clearance. The push rods/ valve springs / etc should allow for loose 0.
I'll test the oil filler cap trick. Should I remove the breather tubes before I do this test? I feel like the way the breather is set up, it's going to create some sort of splashing.
Anyway - thanks for your replies. I appreciate each and every one of them. I'm hoping I'm just paranoid. Something tells me I'm not but I've been wrong many times before.
Sorry, Ted, but I'm pretty sure the Setrab is toast.
I'll be happy to take it off your hands and dispose of it, free of charge.
No, don't worry about it, Ted! What're friends for, right?
Sorry, Ted, but I'm pretty sure the Setrab is toast.
I'll be happy to take it off your hands and dispose of it, free of charge.
No, don't worry about it, Ted! What're friends for, right?
Thanks, Buddy. At least pay for shipping? Let's see... with shipping, hazardous materials, etc. - it comes to just under $300.00
Sound good?
OK, I'll agree (politely and with full respect) that there may be a little paranoia (engine hypochondria -- I like that) going on here.
Loose zero, is the way to go IF you have the chrome-moly pushrods. it sounds like you do, but you ought to check to be sure; get a sworn affidavit from the builder or put a magnet on the pushrod and see if it sticks. If so, then you will be wanting to use 0.004" intake 0.006" exhaust) If not magnetic, then likely chrome-moly, which is an alloy that expands and contracts with heat in tandem with the case and barrels, hence Loose zero" stays loose zero while things warm up. If you set chrome-molys w/ a little gap, there will be no particular problem w/ that, except there will be a little valve clatter and you might notice that. And always set valve clearance w/ engine stone cold.
Leaky valve cover gaskets: use the neoprene/fiber kind, and glue them down to the valve covers using HT silicone (red stuff). Let dry/set overnight, then apply some grease (I use silicone) to the exposed surface prior to application to the engine. Original steel VW valve covers w/ the bale to secure them are the best -- other designs look cool, but in my experience do not work as well.
The "hair" I am referring to would be what you would see when you remove the sump drain plug and look at the magnet that should be in there. Be sure to have that look when the oil gets changed. If no magnet there, get a drain plug that has one, they are cheap.
Crank case pressure: with engine running, just open where you pour the oil in and see if gasses come out of this opening. Leave everything hooked up otherwise. Rev the engine and see how it goes. There may be some positive pressure sensed, but it should not be strong and full of oil mist. Ideally, it would be slightly negative pressure. And putting oil down this pipe w/ engine running would not be a good idea.
Best news: you say engine is running strong, so that is good. it will take a bit to get broken in. Running at various speeds, and not over-reving would be the order of the day.
And of course, do not overfill with oil.
Sorry, Ted, but I'm pretty sure the Setrab is toast.
I'll be happy to take it off your hands and dispose of it, free of charge.
No, don't worry about it, Ted! What're friends for, right?
Thanks, Buddy. At least pay for shipping? Let's see... with shipping, hazardous materials, etc. - it comes to just under $300.00
Sound good?
Sorry, Ted, but I'm pretty sure the Setrab is toast.
I'll be happy to take it off your hands and dispose of it, free of charge.
No, don't worry about it, Ted! What're friends for, right?
Thanks, Buddy. At least pay for shipping? Let's see... with shipping, hazardous materials, etc. - it comes to just under $300.00
Sound good?
Terry........Ill sell you mine!! $295.. (plus fees) it works perfecty...in fact I know it works because when it does it smells just like toast!! Especiall in the early am... mmmmmm yummy!!
It never dawned on me that those little Setrab oil cooling radiators were that expensive...My VS has two, each with a fan, tucked up under the rear of the wheel wells...and other than once checking the electrical connections I've never given them a second thought.
In fact, I've never heard the fans working, but the oil has never read above 180 degrees. Oil temp in the sump is checked with an instant reading digital kitchen meat thermometer...Seven dollars at Walmart.
Ted:
Remember that when the engine is running there is quite a lot of air turbulance in the crankcase from all of the moving parts in there. When you remove the oil filler cap you should see/feel a rapid series of pulsations (4 each second or so at idle) and, overall, it should have a very slight positive pressure - it's not gonna blow your hand off if you put your palm over the opening, but you should feel a wee bit of pressure and pulsing on your palm. When you remove your palm it should not give a big blast like doing the same to the end of a tailpipe.
On the oil, every engine I have ever rebuilt (and everyone else, too, for that matter) will quickly wear in the crankshaft bearings and polish the cylinder walls with the rings. That's all part of the "break-in process And happens over the first 1,000 or so miles. This initial wear deposits metal dust in the oil. THAT is what you're seeing in the first three oil changes during break-in. I always change the oil at 100, 300 and 1,000 miles because that's what I was told to do when I was a kid. Each of those changes will show decreasing amounts of dust shimmer until somewhere around 3,000 miles or so (the last break-in change and then repeat every 3,000) it should have finally finished the break-in process and you're good to go.
This sound like what you're seeing??
and you may have stated this earlier and I missed it, but how many miles are on this engine??
Every V-8 I've built, or had built, 'break-in' oil was recommended for the first 100mi. or so, never keeping the engine at a constant rpm, then change the oil to whatever you plan on using... in 300mi. change it again. Somewhere around the 1,000mi mark or in 6mos if the car is not run often change once again. Then just do routine oil changes, you really need to pay attention to the oil especially if the vehicle sits for long periods of time between use. I change oil in all our 'toy' cars about every 6 months. Been doing this for years and it seems to work.
If a car is not run very often you can build up condensation in the block very quickly depending upon your climate.
Ted;
Is this on a new oil change?
Art
Lookin' really good, Ted! For the next 2-3 valve adjustments, record how much each valve moves; if 2 valves (opposite sides, sharing a cam lobe) are requiring more adjustment than the others, then you know something's up. Until then, have fun! Al
Ted, that looks really good! From the crispness of the 'L' bends I take it you have a sheet metal break? or at least access to one.
I've thought of doing the same thing, obtaining the aluminum sheet, etc is easy but no one I know has a portable break to make the bends that I could borrow for awhile. I've tried doing it with wood blocks ,etc. yet it just doesn't come out looking as good as using a break.
Just a thought here, maybe one of your local aluminum gutter installers wouldn't mind you using their brake either on the job site or after hours.
hot side hot and cool side cool is the best, you vcan do for your air cooled engine. May be more important than an aditional cooler, so thumbs up for your work!
I'm told Dynamat is no good for exterior use. I've been steered to Lizard Skin if it's out in the elements, what ever that is. Have yet to try it. Also, don't let it get too hot; is exhaust close to the metal here??
what is this... Lizard Skin?
The exhaust isn't too close. There is already a fiberglass sheet that seals up the lower portion (around the motor / next to the engine tins. The aluminum is just the 'second layer' of protection around the back end there. The upper shelf is maybe.. 8-10" from the exhaust? Possibly more? Good call tho'. I'd hate to clean THAT mess up.
Ted
Ted, DO NOT use Dynamat in this situation it is a sound deadener not a heat barrier...It will melt! then you'll have a real mess. As Frazoo said use Lizard Skin heat barrier or similar. You want something that will reflect heat and prevent heat intrusion...Dynamat will not cut it!
TED : I heard that Terry Nuckles, has a friend that has a cousin that has a best friend who has a NASA connection See if they have any shuttle tiles left over...
Talking heat protection THERE YA GO!! by the way cant wait to see the beast!!
Tebs
what is this... Lizard Skin?
The exhaust isn't too close. There is already a fiberglass sheet that seals up the lower portion (around the motor / next to the engine tins. The aluminum is just the 'second layer' of protection around the back end there. The upper shelf is maybe.. 8-10" from the exhaust? Possibly more? Good call tho'. I'd hate to clean THAT mess up.
Ted
Ted:
I had the same fear of hot air incursion so I made almost exactly the same thing out of a single piece of metal, but I also made up an el-cheapo press brake with a couple of pieces of hinged hardwood to make the bends.
Mine covers the rear area almost the same - it sits on top of the rear of the horse-shoe shaped rear frame member and rests on top of the rear engine tin with enough give to allow for engine rocking and is sealed along the engine tin with weatherstrip tape.
It kips up at each end (left/right) to close up a hole on each side. It is made of HVAC galvanized sheet metal and held to the frame with 10-32 screws every foot or so. I sealed it along the inside of the body with a thick piece of closed-cell foam tape (used for storm door weatherstrip) with a simple knife-cut halfway through and it's then pressed onto the rear of the metal piece to seal it. The end result is a close approximation of what Porsche had on the 356's (as is yours, now).
I wouldn't get too crazy about double insulating or double layering over the exhaust pipes/muffler and all that - that simple piece of sheetmetal, along with good sealing around all of the engine tins, should really do the trick for you.
gn
Hey Gordon,
Thanks for the info. I will follow suit. No reason to go overboard. The car has had fiberglass under the horseshoe and around the engine tin. This second 'skin' of aluminum should be just enough to deflect most of the heat downward. (That's the plan/hope)
Thanks again for the info. I appreciate it. It's good to know that great minds think alike.
Ted
Ted - If you have any left over!
Sweet project Ted!
Ted, the more we get to know you...YOU ARE THE MAN!
Thanks! I enjoy working on stuff. It's a change from my 'day job'. I kind of learn as I go. Videos and YouTube help. Most of the 'knowledge' comes from forums just like this one.
Ted
Ted,
I wonder if you ever saw the PBS special show on old trailers. It was/is extremely interesting, and goes into the whole business of trailers that were quite the thing, back in the day. They had several of the very small "tear-drop" types shown, and these were especially cool for how much was packed into such a small space. I think there was one that two people could sleep in -- so long as they were not claustrophobic.
Your little wagon here is outstanding. Use it much?? While maybe not as severe as the Speedster madness, I think the little and old trailer people around the country are probably about as afflicted.
And, I'll bet it would go easily behind the Speedster, and wouldn't that be The Bomb??!!
Ted,
I wonder if you ever saw the PBS special show on old trailers. It was/is extremely interesting, and goes into the whole business of trailers that were quite the thing, back in the day. They had several of the very small "tear-drop" types shown, and these were especially cool for how much was packed into such a small space. I think there was one that two people could sleep in -- so long as they were not claustrophobic.
Your little wagon here is outstanding. Use it much?? While maybe not as severe as the Speedster madness, I think the little and old trailer people around the country are probably about as afflicted.
Yup! Saw that show. Great show. Ours was a 1955 "Benroy". They made about 400 of them (give or take) before they were sold to a larger company. I tried to keep the design true to the originals. The exterior was 100% authentic. Interior, ours slept two, had a fully galley, and some storage for your camping gear.
I looked around for some internal shots, but couldn't locate any online. The interior was clear heart maple and cherry. The bed was 'full' sized. Three cabinets across the back (your feet/legs slid under them. You had enough room to rollover/lay on your side/etc. There were two over your head cabinets in the front. They were small, but had enough room to store some clothes, your devices, papers, etc. All cabinets had vintage pull handles, etc. I wired up LED reading lights, some overhead lights, 12V chargers, 12V outlets, USB outlests, etc. I installed killer 6 speed fan (fwd/reverse). The 12v battery minder was great. you could plug it in and convert shore power to 12v. You could also plug in the trailer when not in use and the minder would only charge when necessary. The battery was a yellow top and we could be 'off power' for a week. Great trailer for two people.
Anyway - great trailer. The kids loved it. We used it a few times, but we needed something bigger that the whole family could enjoy. I sold the trailer and bought a speedster.
Ted
Aw, too bad you had to let that trailer go. I wanted to see it hooked up to the Speedster. Madness squared!
Aw, too bad you had to let that trailer go. I wanted to see it hooked up to the Speedster. Madness squared!
Ohh! That would have been sweet. What's the 'tongue weight' of a speedster bumper?
I bet I could whip something up for 'weekend' trips.
Hey Ted, can I borrow you for about a week?
Looks good, nice work!
What the h3ll (don't want to offend the google censors now) are you doing now Ted??
LOL LOL TED... your not trying to steal my thunder with this hoaky sanding business are you?
DID YOU NOT SEE MY CAR?
tebs...
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALIKING ABOUT!! BRIDESMAIDS!!
By the way your car looks AWESOME cant wait to see that beast...
tebs
Did someone say 'Bridesmaids'?
Musbjim & GERD photo-bomb bridesmaid pic during SOC winery tour.
HAHAHA!
Those may have been some of the same ladies who witnessed the WereRaccoon try to attack me / boost my car last year.
Artist rendering below:
Looking good, Ted. Those wheels are killer! What size tire are you running on the back?
Feels good to see light at the end of the tunnel, doesn't it??
Feels good to see light at the end of the tunnel, doesn't it??
Great work!
one thing about the exhausts: If you make a decision for the busch style system, you have to know, you will lose to 100% the original boxer sound.
it sounds like a usual four zylinder :-(
What about this on: it has a real great sound, it is really well done, V2A, big pipes and it has a connector for a lamda-tool
for me the best choice ever! ;-)
http://shop.vintagespeed.com.t...sc.12/category.35/.f
http://www.vintagespeed.com.tw...austsystem-main.html
P.s. If you are intrested, dont take the "superflow version" its in my oinion too sporty sound, i better like the usual one, also here ist the sound quiet sporty...
Jan Peter,
I may be wrong, but I'd guess you might be in an overwhelming minority regarding the desirability of the "original boxter sound".
Most guys can't run away fast enough.
Ok, showing my lack of knowledge what is a 'bursch' style exhaust? And what is a 'Sebring' style exhaust? Pics would be helpful
FWIW, even though the Sebring exhaust is technically "merged" (at the tip), the primaries are about 9-1/2 miles long.
The primaries on a true "merged" header like an A1 "Lowdown" are all the same, and just about the perfect length... but the collector sticks out the back and the exhaust options all look "less than elegant".
The primaries on an A1 Sidewinder are too long, and not even close to the same length. The fact is, they fit in the car better, and the performance is acceptable.
The Sebring's primaries are even longer. Way too long to be optimal, and the exhaust utilizes a really inelegant collector. A well designed header brings the pipes into the collector in phase with the firing order. no such attempt is made with a Sebring.
As much as I like Vintagespeed's shifters, the exhausts are just a better version of the stockers. They are more free-flowing, but don't use firing pulses to "extract" gasses through other cylinders. That's what makes a real header magic- the fact that beyond just reducing back-pressure, it actually creates a vacuum on the exhaust valves. I have a chart somewhere that shows how much, but the effect of the header is actually greater than the draw of the falling piston on the intake stroke (that's why valve overlap works). You get none of that with a setup like Vintagespeed's.
There's no free lunch, unless you could move the engine forward to the point that a short-primary merged header with a long collector and the attendant exhaust bend would fit under the apron. An IM comes close, but not enough.
I tried. I ended up with a Sidewinder.
A1's weren't around when I originally built up Pearl's exhaust system, and there really weren't many (like three) that were truly "extractors" and one of those was from Europe.
From my really old dune Buggy days and even older Motorcycle days, I really wanted a true extractor system, so I eventually ended up with a Berg extractor, even though I ran up against all that stuff Stan mentions....particularly, how it hangs a bit too low and sticks out a bit too far in the rear AND has those two, big, honkin' mufflers hanging out there under the rear valence.
That said, the Zoomies are the right diameter with good, equal length, their positions into the collector are good, the collector is gradual (making it a bit long, but what'cha-gonna-do?) and they even separate the output of the collector, anticipating the dual mufflers.
And, MAN! Does it ever work GREAT! It fit in with the rest of the system (heads, ports, cam, induction - the whole Enchilada) and puts the icing on the cake, so to speak, for the mid-range torque I was always looking for. If I was going for a system for the track (lots of higher-end power and more pull to cool the heads, etc.) I would not necessarily have opted for this system but, for the street? For me, it's been perfect.
There is a verry special thing about the vintagespeed exhausts!!!
The four lines of the four cylinders are the same length! The lines of the cylinder 2 and 4 make a longer way inside of the muffler. Thats the special thing of the vintage.
As I know vintage is the ony one who does it this way. Our most famous type 1 builder here in Germany (we call him the pope of type1) http://www.rbernauer.de makes his biggest performance with them. In his opinion it's the only exhaust that combines performance with original 356 Sound
Stan is right. I have a Sebring-ish exhaust on my Spyder. Mid-engine placement allows extra room for the exhaust. Mine works well, but I've never measured the lengths. I do know that my motor was dyno'ed and jetted with the exhaust I have on the car. You should see Lenny's Tangerine Racing custom-made on his type4 Spyder. It is pretty damn good.
Jan,
I don't mean to argue with you.
The Vintagespeed exhaust is well made, and the primaries are the same length. But they don't come together into a single collector, so they don't "pull" on the other pipes. I don't seem to be explaining it in a way you understand, so I would point you to A G Bell's book "Four Stroke Performance Tuning" later renamed "Modern Engine Tuning" (click the link for an online PDF). Go to Chapter 6 and start reading- I did about 5 years back, and ending up reading it 4 or 5 times. I still have a hard-copy of Chapter 6 in the night-stand. I think this stuff is about as cool as it gets. I'm weird that way.
Danny,
Yeah. Anything Tangerine Racing makes is amazing. The Tangerine Tri-Y is the best kept secret in this hobby- an absolute work of art, but unfortunately unavailable for Type 1. I contacted Chris a few years back about making me a custom one, but I ended up just building and exhaust (then another, then another).
If I were doing this again, I'd just build a 2.8-ishL Type 4 with a 1-5/8" Tangerine Tri-Y, and be done with it.
No, never argue ;-) we are on the same side of live ;-))
I know about these things, on my Buggy I have got the super competition from CSP.
And I know, the concept of the 4 in 1 systems might be the best.
But I`m quiet sure this makes only a difference, when we talk about real perfomance engines with hot cams and big overlappings. like Engle 130 a.s.o.
for the 1915 with it`s "close to stock" cam. A free flowting system like the Vintage`s one is more than enough, I think...
For me there are some things that also matter a lot : optic and sound. And there is a lot of it in this exhaust :-)
One more thing about the Vintage: Alwas, when a Speedster passes my way, I have firstly a look on the exhaust. If i see a VW bug style exhaust with it`s ending in the wrong position, I know, its a Replica.
The exhaust pipes and endings of an original 365 are in a much lower Position.
The Vintagespeed is especially builded for 356 Replicas and brings the tailpipe in the right position.
Cheers Jan
LOL LOL 'DONT FROWN ON BROWN"!!! HMMMM I water mine with Guinness Its as green as Irland lol ..... funny thing is you guys are getting our water Thanks for protesting Ted!! You need to put a sign up that reads " GIVE THE CENTRAL VALLEY IT'S WATER BACK, LOOK AT MY LAWN WE DONT NEED IT" lol lol
Or AS Terry Nuckles Lawn care guide (Circa 1963) would suggest.. spray it with
"LAWN GREEN KRYLON"
tebs
It never fails...About the time my 'enthusiasm & energy' begins to slip into apathy somebody posts a photo of magnificent BLACK SPEEDSTER that recharges all my madness batteries!...Such as Ignacio's black VS, or his 'cousin in Samoa' sporting those magnificent wheels on his black speedster...and now Ted's smooth iconic example of a head turning/thumbs up black speedster!...I'm able to even overlook the dust on Wolfgang's, and am looking forward to when he rolls it out of his barn/garage into the Florida sunlight for us all to admire.
Don't get me wrong. I don't disparage any speedster clothed in any color, but black pushes all my buttons!...An analogy would be the radiant image of a lady in a sultry black gown adorned with just the right, and tasteful, coordinates. She simply stands out from the crowd!
I wanted Black. Many years ago, I had a Datsun 260z, Black. To make a long story short, the CFO said no black. Oh well the next one...Black.
Ted, your car, with your mirror finish, and Thooose wheels !!! Good for you!!
Art
Carl, that's why it's called "the little black dress"
True story:
Pearl started out in Black Gel Coat. Same interior and everything, just black with black-spoked Fuchs. Looked a lot like Wild Bill's "Blackie".
Then, about the time I was getting her bodywork finished, the guy in the next office shows up for work in a new, '99 Audi in Pearlescent White. That did it for me.
Quick, you eastern SOC'ers......
Where was this picture taken??
I know this may sound a little weird. I am also a fan of black. My car is Mercedes beige/gray. I'm thinking about removing all trim pieces, essentially outlawing the car, painting it black but leaving some beige/gray gumballs to match the interior. Would go nicely with a hard tonneau that I picked up. My wife says the beige/gray color is the only thing she likes about the car. Maybe just a beige/gray outlaw. Hmm. I need a bada$$ look to go with my car's new found power.
How can you not like black? On the other hand daily washing comes with it, Griot's random orbital polisher needs to be used for swirl marks more often... Ray
I know this may sound a little weird. I am also a fan of black. My car is Mercedes beige/gray. I'm thinking about removing all trim pieces, essentially outlawing the car, painting it black but leaving some beige/gray gumballs to match the interior. Would go nicely with a hard tonneau that I picked up. My wife says the beige/gray color is the only thing she likes about the car. Maybe just a beige/gray outlaw. Hmm. I need a bada$$ look to go with my car's new found power.
Phil, better not change the color or you may end up sleeping in the Speedster...LOL.
You could still 'outlaw' the beige-gray and paint on black roundels instead...then you'd both be sort of happy.
I know this may sound a little weird. I am also a fan of black. My car is Mercedes beige/gray. I'm thinking about removing all trim pieces, essentially outlawing the car, painting it black but leaving some beige/gray gumballs to match the interior. Would go nicely with a hard tonneau that I picked up. My wife says the beige/gray color is the only thing she likes about the car. Maybe just a beige/gray outlaw. Hmm. I need a bada$$ look to go with my car's new found power.
Phil, better not change the color or you may end up sleeping in the Speedster...LOL.
You could still 'outlaw' the beige-gray and paint on black roundels instead...then you'd both be sort of happy.
Yes I've thought about that too. Does anyone now if Carey does fiberglass and paint? Indiana is a lot closer than B.C. Car is perfect mechanically. Yes I know it needs a turbocharger...but besides that.
Thanks Tom. Sticking with beige/gray without gumballs probably the way to go. Beige/gray hard tonneau with dark brown leather, though I have thought about painting the tonneau black. My wheels are powdercoated black. Thinking about black Outlaw script with black fog lights. Semiblackification. Oh. My hardtop is black.
Carey also does classic Porsche restorations, so you know the paint work has to be good.
How can you not like black?
Because I live where bugs go to settle down and raise their little bug families. Bugs who don't live here get together and have little bug trade-shows and conferences here, and come to vacation from other places. Once they're here, they despair of living and feel the need to end it all all over the front of any vehicle driving more than 5 mph.
Also, we have a highway department dedicated to covering the earth under a thin belt of cinders. Years form now when archaeologists dig up Illinois, they'll find a 1/2" thick layer of cinders on top of crumbling asphalt. I'm pretty sure the DOT uses the entire yearly allocation for road upkeep on cinders. They spread them pretty much all winter, then make a half-hearted attempt to sweep them up in August or so. I've got a spare lot where the township pushes the snow from our cul-de-sac- every spring there is at least 6" of cinders in the ditch. I'm thinking of saving them for my own 1930s track and field stadium.
I suppose the theory is that eventually they will deposit into the potholes, but we're a good application of tar away from the 'ol tar and chip asphalt roadway. I actually did this to fill a big hole in front of my driveway. I just took a broom out and swept the cinders into the hole, then got some blacktop sealant and dumped it over the whole mess. It was the only improvement (besides our daily application of cinders from December to May) that my street has ever received.
So yeah, black is cool, but not for me.
Gordon,
In front of the old Carlisle hotel - not sure what year.
Close......In Carlisle, in front of the Ramada, just outside of the Portico and looking towards the big Truck Stop.
I'm guessing around 2006 or 2007, photo taken by Nick Wolwolnia (deep blue IM from Toronto) and one of my favorite photos with my son.
Looking good Ted, hope it holds the car better than mine
Very cool, Ted! I had no idea you were planning on relocating your e brake.
I guess that puts the kabosh on drifting, eh?
Nice job on the E-brake fabrication, Ted!
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