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I've been helping my friend Mike Lempert try to get his '56 Austin Healey 100 back on the road, and we ran into an issue today that has us stumped.  Something kept draining his battery, so we swapped it for a new one based on inadequate information.  The car, which had been running well although cutting out occasionally had been sitting for a couple of months.  It would not start after we put the new battery in, and Mike suspected that the fuel pump wires (near the battery, both located just in front of the rear axle) had come loose as he had been tinkering back there.  We checked everything and then verified that the pump was, in fact, running, so that was a red herring.

 

I checked and found that the carbs were getting fuel and air, so we turned out attention to the spark side of the equation.  After verifying no spark we tried to diagnose.  I checked points since the car had been sitting, but they are opening and closing properly.  All wires to the coil were good, but I discovered that the coil was hot to the touch.  Mike told me that he had hooked up a battery charger, and we wondered if that had fried the coil somehow.  He had a spare, so I started to remove the old coil and noticed that I was getting sparks on the battery side of the coil even with the ignition switch off.  I disconnected the battery and proceeded, but I think that should not be happening, right?  When the new coil was installed, we had no better luck and verified that we still had no spark.  I suggested condenser or ignition solenoid thingie (can't remember what that dang thing is called), believing that the "thingie" was more likely given the symptoms, but we had a spare condenser, so we figured we swap that out to eliminate it.  Mike was in the process of doing that when he touched the new(ish) coil and noticed it was getting warm.  At that point I disconnected the battery and we realized we were in over our heads.  I still suspect the "thingie" but have nothing to support that except the following:

  • It is between the battery and the coil
  • It's about all we have left
  • All the wiring appears to be in good shape
  • That same component failed on my last MG, rendering the car undriveable
  • I got nothin' else

Ideas anyone?  Am I correct that the coil should not be getting power with the ignition off?  Could the battery charger have fried it?

Formerly 2006 Beck Speedster (Carlisle build car), 1964 Beck Super Coupe

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Yeah, Al's right- there should be no current flowing to the coil when the ignition switch is off.  I suspect his ignition switch is shorted (more common on those than you might think) but he's also got a set of either closed points because the points have fused shut through pitting, or they happen to be on a flat of the disti cam and are supposed to be closed at that point.  Either way, the coil being energized all the time, whether the igintion is on or off, isn't right, so fix THAT first and proceed from there.  

 

There are two fuses for the entire car, tucked up on the cowl under the hood, but they aren't the problem.  The problem is the ignition switch.

 

Unless someone has inadvertantely messed around with the ignition (key) switch, the starter solenoid (your "thingie") has nothing to do with this problem.

As Gordon states, Two fuses are all thats used for the entire vehicle.....  Bridging the fuse block (with a quarter or 100NF coin) would allow one to start the car by simply engaging the under bonnet solenoid/switch....   My point is to check that nothing has bridged the fusing circuit causing your problem.....   And I don't want to think of the Morris Minor / Sprite ignition switches I've seen take a hike.....   

The polarity of the battery would have zero effect on whether the coil gets hot because it's energized all the time.  Tell Mike to disconnect the wires from the ignition switch (IIRC there are only two) and see if there is still current flowing at the coil after that.  If there is, then you have a power short somewhere so you'll have to follow the wire loom back from the switch to the coil.   The good news there is that it's only about three feet of loom to check.

 

also, pull the disti cap and turn the engine over until the igintion points are pushed open by the disti cam lobe.  If the coil STILL has current flowing with the points open AND the points are not pitted to have a dead short all the time, you probably have a more serious wiring problem to look for.

And the plot thickens...

 

We tried hooking up another ignition switch today after we noticed that the fuel pump ran whenever we connected the battery.  That seemed to point to the switch, but the same thing happened with the new switch.  Mike tells me that he had unplugged and then reconnected a wire at the battery master switch, which is located very near both the battery and the fuel pump, so that's where will will focus our attention next.

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