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I agree that getting the old throttle body style fuel injection isn't really that convenient. It means having to do the same kind of set up as the carbs, but if something goes wrong it goes really wrong. Modern fuel injection is the only fuel injection for me. If left with the option of doing the old style fuel injection or dual carbs, I would probably opt for a nice single carb. No hassles and great reliability with very little fussyness.

Oh now I have really done it!!!

Sometimes it seems like we have almost too many options, you can weigh choices endlessly. I'll jump in here since I have CB's fuel injection system, the one with the 2 knob adjustment box. My 8 yr old VS which I got a year and half ago came with it. I didn't know beans about it, just thought "that sounds neat" when I read the for-sale ad. Except for discovering one slightly clogged injector, it has been completely reliable and trouble free. I turn the key and it starts immediately every time, recently in 12 degree weather, made no difference. After a couple minutes warmup, it holds idle steady and goes through the RPM range without a burp. It looks like a dual carb setup and the throttle bodies have to be synched, I've done that twice, not sure I needed to the second time - it was just so easy and I was bored. Once the knobs seemed to be adjusted I haven't touched them, the box is covered under the rear shelf "pad". I guess something can go wrong with anything, but so far I'm extremely happy with this. Does anybody else have this CB setup? I never seem to hear it mentioned. The only thing I've improved is to put on a pair of Dario's air filter tops -WOW!

I have a fully programmable SDS system with the crank fire ignition. Starts great, runs great, no hesitation at low rpms when you punch it. I used to have a problem with my centrifugal advance with my 009 so getting rid of the distributor was a major plus. Replacing the carbs and ignition has made it run like a modern car, and for me that

John you giving away my allotment of beers already? :(

Busted again....;-(

That's OK, John.....I'll make up for it with some "Newport Storm"

greg,
the parts for your f.i. system are cheap and readily available, all chevy based.
your "cb" ecu is actually from a 1990 chevy geo=same.
i'm mocking up a fi system now using old webers. i'm hiding the injectors under the "dummy" air filter. if you ever want or need a wiring diagram of your system
buy the book "turbomania", quite a few pages are devoted to that system including
a wire diagram

I was waiting for George to chime in about the ease of tuning dual carbs. In the 4 1/2 years George and I have been on this forum that topic has come up now and again. What is 'easy' for George is not easy to us 'mortals'. Tell me, how many of you would opt for a fuel injection system that allowed you to get in your speedster, each day and every day, and just drive. How many of you would like a system that would allow you to put plug your fuel injection system into a laptop and have a full diagnostic scan?
Some might say that these cars were never meant for the 'masses' and their computer/fuel injection ways. But I think that anything that gets you more 'trouble free' driving time is a good thing.
Ron
It's okay....the meds are starting to work.....Bob...it's great to see you posting again. I'll have to email you and tell you about my Monster sob story.
Bob....oblack@lookieloo.net

CB is currently in the developement stage of a fuel injection system suitable for street use.Should be on the market later this year.I am having the fuel delivery system in my new IM designed for the possibilty of a future conversion.Brooks

brooks, cb's system is already on the street, for quite awhile
already. the only draw back is it is not tuneable via laptop.
but it works fine.

Bruce is right, the first owner of my car had it put on in conjunction with a new engine 7 yrs ago.

Maybe CB is developing a new tuneable version (?)

I have talked to Pat at CB.The system which is currently in production has been around for some time.Pat said it was designed primarily for competition use although IM and perhaps others have installed the systems in past with mixed results.Pat said the new fuel injection would be more appropriate for every day street use in a speedster.Brooks

Interesting, I had no idea, thanks Brooks.

if you are serious about fi, check out "megasquirt"

www.redlineweber.com/html/Fuel_Injection/Fuel_Injection_Table_of%20_Contents1.htm

'nuff said :)

Key things i like to see about FI is

Sequential Fuel Injection
Idle air control
Ignition advance/retard control
Closed Loop
Mass air flow sensor would be nice, but a MAP sensor is good

Man i have dreams of a FI'd 2110 or 2332 using a ford FI system thou

Oh and setting up webbers is a walk in the park :p

Had more issues with a 2bbl Holley (progressive)carb i once had, keeping it in tune or running right..

John,

I'll be up to IM for a visit 3/9-11. We could meet at the shop after I've had my first peeks at my Speedster.

The Ruby you saw is probably a Roadster that IM is about to roll out the door. The Black Roadster may be Bill Steele's. It is getting close to it's final stages. I think Brooks' dark silver Speedster is going into paint now and mine is in prep. There's a good chance it will have ruby all over it when I come up. It will be my first time to look at my baby.... I am still deciding on a name for it.

I'll send you details. I think Brooks' may be up there and Rick D. when he can break away from business. I am not sure on Bill's final delivery date... his Roadster might still be there. Whatever is in the shop, I'm sure we all will be drooling over the candy. I like 'em all.

Jim

Jim :

It would be great to get together at IM in March if you have the time. If you are not from around here I have a map that I've had for almost 20 years highlighting the best driving roads I've come across where ever I've lived. There are some skookum ( as they say in BC ) highways carved into the sides of the mountains out here that go from no where to no where, so there's just about no one on them, except for the occasional Hell's Angles bikers or your Miata sport club cruising around at the speed limit. Once you are comfortable with your car give yourself a day or two and you can have a blast.

There were several black speedsters at Henry's when I dropped in, but the one ruby red car really stood out. Since I saw it I've been noticing all kinds of ruby red vehicles on the road. I guess ruby red is the new burgundy...


Gz

John

I have my 2004 roadster in Henry's shop right now. Its been a blast to drive both in the city and on the highway. No mechanical issues what so ever. Like others I like the rear engine approach with the dual carbs. I was asked to join the local Vancouver Island Porsche Club and actually won people's choice at last summer's German car picnic.

I have about 7000 miles on the car of which about half are highway miles from a couple of great road trips.

The car is currently getting a new 2332 aluminum case motor. Can't wait to get it back, drop the top and take it for a rip up island!

To sum it up I have never had as much fun with a car -- its a blast to drive, turns heads, and gives me a tremendous pride of ownership!

Dean

John,

It was nice to meet you at the great IM tour recently.

Congratulations on your build, you won't regret it.

Bill

John, here's a ditto to Bill's post. I'll be back in town around the 15th. Write and I'll share details. Congrats!

Jim

Gang :

I have to admit it was a strange experience walking into Henry's to put my money down and then bump into all of you guys there on the verge of picking up your cars. Wine and Cheese no less, or at least a friut plate. The delivery time on an IM build feels like it will take forever so it was good to see a bunch of vehicles ready to roll out the door. I can now connect the dots in my head between writing a cheque and driving BC's carved into the mountain highways...


Your cars all looked great, its really cool how we are all buying more or less the same car, but because of the way we can customize them with IM there is no doubt that each vehicle is the only one like it out there. For me that was the best part about going IM. I'm still firming up the details of my build and am willing to spend a few bucks doing it, so any advice you guys have on mechanicals and details ( or colour even ) would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps this should be another thread...

Gz

Hey John, great to meet you last week.You will Have a great time working with Henry on your new build,it is truely a pleasure working with Henry to get even the smallest details exactly the way you invision them.I understand you might have some interesting ideas in mind.Good luck and have fun.Brooks

How come none of you guys called me? I hate it when I miss a party....
Ron

Hey Ron, long time no hear. Just got back from the auto show, and I was thinking.....now, why doesn't Henry put a car, or two, into the show (his shop is only a few miles from the event).....then, I realized that he probably doesn't need to advertise. 'Word of mouth' is all he needs.

Ron/Ron I'll be up there on Thursday the 14th to shake out the car some, and then do the valves and oil on Monday and then go south on Tuesday to meet up with Scott Sloan. I will probably stay at the place on False Creek... write and I'll pass my cell/ I would enjoy meeting you! Vancouver is a cool city.

Think about the Emory Camp Out this year! I am flying up and will right seat with someone. I think it would be a great chance to get together with everyone up NW.

I might take the Speedster out east of YVR to say hi on the 16th if you are around. I plan on putting on a few break-in miles that week-end.

Jim

If you are looking for some good roads in and around Vancouver, there are scant few, more because of the congestion. However if you have about 8 - 10 hours head east on Highway 1 for about 1.5 hours, then go north at Hope. Look for Highways 8 or 12. They go for long stretches carved into the mountainsides with almost no one on them - there's not a straight away for miles. Head back west towards Lilloette and that will swing you behind Whister so you can take the Sea to Sky highway back to Vancouver.

Another good drive is to take the ferry to Vancouver Island and drive west all the way to Tofino. A long portion of the highway was constructed during the WW II to carry military convoys and was designed without any straight sections so that straffing airplanes could line up on a minimum number of targets. Allow 2 days for that one...

Or just drive around and around Stanely Park in the rain like I do.

Gz

Hey Jim, that sounds great. If the weather is half decent we should see if we can get a few cars together and run to Squamish and back, or maybe up Cyprus. There can be lots of traffic on these routes, but they are still fun. Anyone else interested?
Ron

If I can get my car insured and emission tested by then I

Jim, I tried emailing you with my email and cell numbers, but it came back today as undeliverable, so let's try this. You can call me at 604 220 4141, or email me at stymer@shaw.ca.

Bruce, getting that EFI car through aircare should be a breeze shouldn't it?

Off to Whistler this morning to ride some of that 50" of powder that fell in the last week.

Ron