There website has been down for over a week. Wondering what's up?
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Did you try calling?
I would if I had their number. But unfortunately the contact webpage is also down
Try calling the owner, Daniel. 480-404-1117. He has been great at communication over the years.
thx
Daniel,
Are you having website issues? The site has been down for a week according to some who have tried to get on it.
Haven't heard from Daniel in response to several calls/voice-mails and e-mails over the last couple of months. Wonder what's up as DV always has been super communicative
Maybe the guys at Vintage, across town know what's up. I hope he is ok.
Thanks.
I still admire the aluminum dash knobs I got from Daniel.
I'm friends with him on Facebook. I recall seeing a pic of a broken arm a few weeks ago. I'm not sure if that plays into things.
Unfortunately, I’ve had a build in the works with Daniel now for over a year. He never proactively contacts me for any build update. Now after paying 3 of the 4 installments for the build, doubling the estimated build time, He’s gone completely silent and unresponsive to any inquires.
Doesn’t look good.
Daniel, if you’re reading this you owe me a call. It’s your business and reputation at stake here.
Blumhardt posted:Unfortunately, I’ve had a build in the works with Daniel now for over a year. He never proactively contacts me for any build update. Now after paying 3 of the 4 installments for the build, doubling the estimated build time, He’s gone completely silent and unresponsive to any inquires.
Doesn’t look good.
Daniel, if you’re reading this you owe me a call. It’s your business and reputation at stake here.
Uh oh!
Site still down as of this morning.
FB page still exists but looks like the last post by them was in November of last year.
Really sorry to hear this. Daniel built some nice Spyders. Wishing you good luck.
Dang. I hope he's not flaking out. As a guy two years into a single build though, I could totally understand if he is.
Blumhardt posted:Unfortunately, I’ve had a build in the works with Daniel now for over a year. He never proactively contacts me for any build update. Now after paying 3 of the 4 installments for the build, doubling the estimated build time, He’s gone completely silent and unresponsive to any inquires.
Doesn’t look good.
Daniel, if you’re reading this you owe me a call. It’s your business and reputation at stake here.
I'd pay a visit, pronto. A long one day drive to find out....or you can moan and groan here, read through the normal advice and cry later. Three kinds of people in the world....doers, watchers and those that wonder what happened.
Maybe we can recruit one of our Arizona brethren to swing by the shop and look in the windows? The following members, based on profile information, live near the Seduction Motorsports shop which is located at 3235 N Arizona Ave D7, Chandler, AZ 85225: @dustin, @PaulEllis, @dsrtfox, @Cory McCloskey, and @IMDoug Each of you allegedly lives within 25 miles of the business. Would one of you fine gentlemen please go by Daniel's shop and see what is happening?
Thank you
I’m happy to but leaving for a cruise tomorrow. Will be back the 8th.
If I have time today within business hours I’ll swing by. I’ll let you know.
Oy.
This doesn't look good, boys.
I asked one of my cameraman friends here at the station to swing by the address for some recon this morning, since he happened to be in that part of the Valley.
I can only report what he learned, as I wasn't there, and I don't want to expose myself to any legal trouble.
Here's his text to me:
"A flooring company is now in that office. The flooring company has been there since October and believes that the other company (Seduction Motorsports) moved out probably in September."
He also told me that a "finance guy" was inside the flooring company when he walked in, asking the same kinds of questions about Seduction.
So, that's what we know. There wasn't any sign of the company in any other suite at that light-industrial address.
I've attached a photo of the entrance to suite D7...
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wow
Just...... wow.
Does this make my car more valuable now???
Jus wondering....
He's still on FaceBook - Daniel. Hope you get your car or $ back.
I have a 2016 Seduction Motorsports and Daniel could not have been easier to deal with. I think many of us are stunned because Daniel has been very involved in the Spyder replica forums both here and on facebook. I hope you can work something out to either get your car or your money back.
I would get there now and grab the car in whatever state it was in and take it out of there before the assets are seized and you lose your car.
Also as Wolfgang says, Daniel is on Facebook. He didn't post that much on his private Facebook page but he did post once in a while. The last post is from February 24 2019. He was more active on some of the car forums there.
@VSpyder Greg, maybe you can PM George Perry with some insight.
Paying a personal visit to the site is sound advice, but, from the above photos, it looks as if the shutdown was well planned and conceived.
"Grabbing your car in whatever state" may be well-intended advice, but it likely places you in legal jeopardy. At a minimum, a consultant fee to a local attorney would be a wise investment.
Cory McCloskey posted:Oy.
This doesn't look good, boys.
I asked one of my cameraman friends here at the station to swing by the address for some recon this morning, since he happened to be in that part of the Valley.
I can only report what he learned, as I wasn't there, and I don't want to expose myself to any legal trouble.Here's his text to me:
"A flooring company is now in that office. The flooring company has been there since October and believes that the other company (Seduction Motorsports) moved out probably in September."
He also told me that a "finance guy" was inside the flooring company when he walked in, asking the same kinds of questions about Seduction.
So, that's what we know. There wasn't any sign of the company in any other suite at that light-industrial address.
I've attached a photo of the entrance to suite D7...
No surprise at all. Six months the flooring company has been in the location that faithful customers has been patiently waiting for a response from Daniel ? My , my ...I wish I could afford such behaviour.
Wasn't it Daniel that promoted his " go fund me " scheme looking for $75 K a while back stating that he'd been vandalized / robbed and had no insurance ?
Wakey, wakey, I guess. I'm very sorry to see this happen.
This is sickening to hear and is even lower than the TN follies. What gets me is that these low production companies know that they are going belly up yet they continue to represent themselves in a positive light screwing the unsuspecting consumer. Bottom line is it's best to only deal with established vendors.
I realize it looks bad right now based on the business no longer being at it's previous address. However, he has several posts on his Seduction FB page from November 2018 building a car and getting a couple others registered at the DMV. It is possible, albeit I can be a bit optimistic about some things, that he's moved the shop to smaller quarters, reorganizing, etc and has fallen off the communication trolley. If he has that's bad on his part. If he's closed up and said nothing that is even worse on his part.
I sent him a private message on his private FB account asking if he is okay and if something has happened with the business. I'll let you l know if he responds. On his personal FB page he does show himself in a sling due to having surgery to repair his radius.
Alan Merklin posted:This is sickening to hear and is even lower than the TN follies. What gets me is that these low production companies know that they are going belly up yet they continue to represent themselves in a positive light screwing the unsuspecting consumer. Bottom line is it's best to only deal with established vendors.
Not sure it is always a planned exit to burn people but rather a mis management while they try to live check to check not really knowing how to really run a business.
Dr. Clock;
Is one of those rare birds, who is up front in all of his business dealings. We are lucky here to have his business acumen on display here, and to learn from.
Art
Since we are straight shooters on this forum, we try to see things in a positive light, even when reality says otherwise. A Google search of Daniel Arizona bankruptcy turns up 1 result for Daniel -------, Mesa, AZ. This is from an online search company, not the Bankruptcy court.
For anyone who has a dog in this fight, Google Daniel ------- Arizona Bankruptcy. One of the hits on the first page will be the Bankruptcy Court site. Choose Arizona as the BK district court you want. You will need to join the PACER system, which allows you to search and download docs from the filed paperwork. It takes some time and effort to get through PACER registration, but, short of a personal visit to the BK Court office, it's the only way to get info, register as a claimant, etc.
Best of luck and please keep the group informed if you go this route.
Art posted:Dr. Clock;
Is one of those rare birds, who is up front in all of his business dealings. We are lucky here to have his business acumen on display here, and to learn from.
Art
Dr Clock---definitely goat! (Greatest of all time). So generously giving of himself for those of us mechanically challenged. We are fortunate to have him on this board.
I received word from a very reliable source today that Seduction Motorsport has in fact closed their shop. No word on the unfinished builds yet but if I had an unfinished build in progress I’d get an attorney. Although if he has filed bankruptcy there may not be much you can do now but I don’t know how bankruptcy laws work in Arizona.
Dang. Sorry to all the customers waiting builds. He did some fine work, by all appearances.
As of February he was publicly fending off an unhappy overseas customer. Very aggressively, imho.
IMHO a business owner knows when things are dismal and the ship is sinking....What people don't know is that said owners under Bankruptcy law can legally skim cash and pay themselves back for personal loans to the business etc. before going under. ( Liquidating and selling off inventory etc. is a big legal NO) Again, this is perfectly legal and is known as being an "Insider" and the business owner aka the Insider, must wait a period of six months before filing for bankruptcy. While still iffy that a customer will get any of their monies returned, this is the ideal time to take legal action against the company.
I looked around yesterday and it appears that Mr. DV has disappeared.
I hate to say this but I wonder if someone broke his arm as a warning? No info/story on the arm break available. Makes you wonder what happened, doesn't it?
I met this ass clown Daniel V. Prior to having my Spyder built a couple years ago.
He was definitely the smooth talker type and that’s how he was able to get where he was but on the inside he was a true scam/con artist.
And just Incase any of you out there have him money to build a Spyder and didn’t receive one I’m sorry to hear this and your best bet to get any information on his whereabouts would be to contact the builder of ALL Seduction Motorsports fiberglass/tubular chassis’s in Hawaiian Gardens California and also known as Vintage Motorcars.
Every single body/chassis was built by them FYI
Daniel only added all his custom features to the builds.
I met another guy after speaking to Daniel who invested in Seduction Motorsports and was robbed of all his money.
Screwing people over so close to open space in the desert is not a smart move in my opinion.