it's Green!

I'm positive that everything will get well sorted on your car. Interior aside, it's just beautiful ! ! ! ! I'm sure that it'll be made right and just be a total BLAST from then on! It's a huge undertaking to tool up and deliver such a unique ride, it's just gonna take a smidge more time to iron everything out for you.

There's a pretty good chance that the first "prototype" of our steel conversion coupes will be done for Carlisle, can't wait for a . . . compare and contrast/talk quietly amongst yourselves . . . session.

Cool, TC! I've been hoping you'd show for the last couple of years.

Kelly, there are a lot of resources in your area (Cory, Alan, Bill) that can give you the advice and help you might need to get things in order. I'm sure you'll get it straightened out. A few refreshing adult beverages and some pizza go a long way.

Who needs pizza? Really Tom, I know teething problems can be a real pain. Try the guys on this side of the country, I'll bet you can get it sorted.

I bet we can have it figured out for you in less than a day. Get John to write Jim the check he would have written to the transporter, and I'll come up there with Kelly and drive it back here for the work.
Hell, I'll even leave you a little silver loaner.
Cake.

Thanks for the offers guys . . . We'll reserve that for round three if need be (God forbid). Besides I'm not sure the car could survive sorting sessions with Wild Bill. He'd get it all fixed up and I'd have to track him down in Harrisburg to EVER see my car again and there would be little or no tread left on them tires. And Cory has the Hoopty all ready and waiting for a green body - you know how his twisted mind works.

But seriously . . . Gotta give John the opportunity to make things right his way. ALL costs are all on him. Frankly if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want anything else - my product my problem and I would want to know what the problems were to avoid them in the future - If I were John. Car is loading outside as I write this. John promises less than 30 days (we'll see).

I'm not hurtin' for a ride but, I'm disappointed of course - had a few shows on my schedule of events, but I will give him the chance to do right and come through or not. If not, you can bet you will ALL know about it. I have enough documentation to put myself in a good place. Ball is in JPS court (no pun intended) - we'll see if it gets dropped or not. Good news is the Speedy is cool and the weather has been great

I've been in business all my life and know how things work when things go wrong - and they go wrong sometimes for everyone. It's how you deal with the issues that come up that makes ALL the difference. So before anyone hangs JPS out to dry, know that I am giving him the chance to treat me right and make good. Either John Steele will or he will not and that will tell the tale.

I can be patient enough to find out. Trust me if the answer is in the negative I will be a reporting it all. I think he knows there is a lot riding on the outcome.

Oh and did I mention how much I appreciate Carey Hines? Not perfect either, but ALWAYS willing to do what needs to be done to make things right. Even with the coupe he was a resource for results. Lane I don't know what your experience has been, but I would ABSOLUTELY buy another car from Special Edition. In fact I plan on it in the future.

Kelly, what can I say. John always did like me best . . .LOL.

Car is on the truck 9:50pm Easton, PA time on September 5th 2007. Tick tock 30 days or less . . . HMMMMMMM. Believe it when I see it.

I'd ask that you PLEASE take this advice in the spirit in which I intend it-- to try to help in any way I can after going through something almost identical (Really, do a site search. I'm not making this stuff up). I promised myself I'd stay out of this, but (apparently) I can't just shut up, so here goes:

I would not, under any circumstances, send that car back to JPS.

If, with the whole world watching, and magazine articles being written, and updates being posted, and before your final payment was sent, John didn't take the time to make sure the car was finished..... why in the world would he do a better job this time around? He's been paid. He's had his name in the magazine. What incentive does he have to make it better? Believe it or not (and I didn't for a long time, and it is truly a frightening thought)-- he probably did the best he knew how.

I've been told that the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. We all go a bit crazy when we want something really badly, and the end result falls well short of what should be reasonable to expect. I did. And I bloodied my head, banging it against the wall until I woke up and realized that I had already received all I was going to get from JPS Motorsports.

I'd get the car fixed locally if at all possible. You REALLY don't want your car sitting in John Steele's shop for any length of time (and sit it will).

Again.... forewarned is forearmed.

I give up.

Good luck-- I suspect you'll need it.

Tom have the car delivered to Hoss and if it is 30 days... then it would arrive in time for Tail of the Dragon run. I am sure that you could hitch a ride down and drive the jewel back home. At least you would see if all the kinks are worked out in TN!

Stan, you may be right. We'll see.

But, I can only operate under my value system which is based on my way of doing business. I have or my people have screwed up many times, personally and professionally. We all do. The right thing to do is give John Steele the chance to make it right. If JPS does not, then I go to the next step. I would want that chance if roles were reversed. What JPS does with that chance is (in my opinion) critical to the future of this new product (the coupe). Therefore there IS a big incentive.

It is one thing to fail to take care of an unreasonable customer. It is quite another to fail to take care of a reasonable one. If that has been the case prior, and no one on this site sounds the alarm when someone inquires, what good is this site?

Constructively speaking, I would have loved to hear details of your ordeal BEFORE now. I mean no disrespect. It is not easy to reopen painful wounds. BUT if this does not turn out well I will be telling the world unless I am prohibited in some way. Does this site prohibit telling the facts about a vendor?

Stan, I do know you are trying to help and I appreciate that and your point of view.

Aw Crap! It woulda been a blast. Besides, I'd a been good for a new set of tires. The only downside is SHE would have seen it and once she did, my bank account would seriously be in jeopardy.

~WB

Stan
if John is ever murdered, I would point you as the USUAL SUSPECT

Good luck, Tom.
If you still have an interest -- but no car -- by 13th October, let me know. I'm going to do the Tail run, come Hell or high water.

"Does this site prohibit telling the facts about some vendor?"

In my experience--absolutely not. That's what makes this great site so credible. I have found Theron to be a stand up guy--if it's the truth supported with facts and not just slander without any support--it goes on the site.

A few weeks ago I posted a screamer about that wonderful AL bunch and forgot to hit the "send" button so next time I looked and my post wasn't there I thought it had beed deleted! I straightened that out, reposted and it's still on there. (See "Deleted Posts").

We will all be interested to see the final chapter on the Green Machine and I feel certain that you will be thrilled and as happy as you were when it came off the truck. I also feel you did the right thing to let John sort it out.

Hang in there ---it will be the slowest 30 days of your life, but it will pass.----Jack

I have had numerous serious offers to help and I appreciate them all.

I feel I must explain why I need to have JPS do the job. The only way to keep JPS as the responsible party to all that is this product is to maintain that responsibility. If at any time someone else takes on the repair, especially at my request, John is off the hook and the results are now MY responsibility. I am not willing to let that happen.

This is a JPS car and JPS needs to make it right if they can. If not, I move on to the next step. It is also a test of what JPS is made of and (IMHO) it is key to whether anyone should deal with them and buy a new JPS Coupe . . . at least for now.

Thanks again everyone.

Wouldn't it have been MUCHO cheaper for him to fly out and fix the problem(s). A flight can be had for probably 500 bucks and he could just do the work there onsite in a couple of days from what it sounds like. Possibly the need for a lift and proper tools, but that might be able to have been overcome. Just a thought, I guess its actually an afterthought since the car is gone. I just hate shipping cars, thats where the uhoh's seem to happen.

James

Good point, James.

Tom, about your last post, I completely understand. Seems there was a bit of a row by someone here about a certain engine that got opened by someone other than the builder. You all know what I mean if you were around then. You are absolutely right that it would become your problem(and should!) if you attempted repairs. But it still would have been an excuse to get together and help out a brother!

Tom, my experiences with Carey have so good that he and I have worked out some other agreements. I'm doing some work for him in exchange for some parts I want. I would absolutely do more business with him.

My car, as most of you know, is a special case. Carey had the faith in his product (or the lack of common sense :-) to set it up for a very public build against the clock. Many great folks on this site contributed time and effort (along with a little blood and a lot of sweat) to build it at Carlisle '06. A few issues arose after delivery, all of which Carey resolved quickly and courteously.

Tom, I vaguely recall that you had a conflict the weekend of the Dragon run. If I'm wrong in that, please bring your Speedster.

Tom!

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