Brian- listen to Gordon and set it up with larger diameter hoses and you'll have more success. Air is moving too fast; slow it down and more oil will fall out of suspension. The bigger hoses add more volume to the crankcase. Al
ALB posted:Brian- listen to Gordon and set it up with larger diameter hoses and you'll have more success. Air is moving too fast; slow it down and more oil will fall out of suspension. The bigger hoses add more volume to the crankcase. Al
ALB - I've got 1/2" welded on nipples on everything. Is there a way to successfully attach a larger hose without leakage??
I can't imagine a 1915cc having that much crankcase pressure unless there was another underlying problem...
All your breather hoses should be at least a AN8 but AN 10 is better. I would run a stock oil filler with a line from the breather box as a vent and drain. The stock filler has a tube venting downward and acts as road draft tube
As much as I wish I had AN fittings; I don't
Here's the new set-up. Haven't turned the engine over yet.
What do you think?
Valve cover lines to the side inputs of the breather box. The bottom output of the breather box goes to the nipple of the "now" stock oil filler.
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Should be ok
Brian;
Where did you get those deck hinges?
Art, CMC, 1641cc posted:Brian;
Where did you get those deck hinges?
Greg at Vintage Motorcars/Spyder. They make them in polished or chrome. Mine are polished
Update: I got everything back together. I put new oil in, oil filter, breather box mounted and valve cover vent lines running to them. The exit from the breather box goes to the oil filler.
I turned her over to build pressure and checked for leaks. Nothing. I fired her up and let her run for a good 30 mins. I revved to 4000 rpm after she warmed up a few times and held it there for a few seconds. Checked for leaks and nothing.
I can feel the air coming out the bottom of the oil filler pipe too. I took the oil cap off and revved the engine and I had a few drops pop up and out...so oil is slashing around. Even after a few revvs I noticed some oil splatter coming out of the oil fill pipe that points down.
The pic attached is after 30 mins of cooling. I turned the engine off and watched every possible spot I could for drips. This all came out of the oil filler pipe that points to the ground...
Is that a normal amount?? Seems like a lot...
Plus, I will need to replace the oil filler unit. It's pretty old and beat up. It weeps a little oil where the pipe connects to the top of the oil filler. It's old and all I had at the moment.
Also, I did NOT have any spray from the crank pulley sand seal... at least for now
And... I still see some very small seepage from the pushrod tubes on the head end. It doesn't drop, but I can run my finger along the accordion part and see oil. So those will eventually need to be replaced :/
I think I've got it sealed enough to get a few good miles in before just dropping the engine and sensing it out for a full rebuild.
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The possible cause of oil spray can be overfilled oil level. The tin baffle upside down or not in place under the alternator stand. Really difficult to diagnose over email. Just drive it
Thanks, those are very nice!
Anthony posted:The possible cause of oil spray can be overfilled oil level. The tin baffle upside down or not in place under the alternator stand. Really difficult to diagnose over email. Just drive it
I'm going to drive her all over the place tomorrow. Trying to persuade @MusbJim to join me. I've got a window while the baby girl is napping
I'm with Tony - Just drive it. That floor spot is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Put a sacrificial rug under it (or an oriental rug, like Marty - whatever floats your boat.)
Brian, all of our cars are different, but...
I've got about the same breather set up as your latest configuration - valve cover hoses to a breather box high on the bulkhead, with the breather box draining to a stock VW filler piece, which in turn drains to the ground (no lines to the air cleaners).
I don't get anything out of the drain hose until the engine is good and warmed up (after driving it). After I shut down and park it, I get one or two drops from the drain hose. I've never let it sit and idle for a half hour after driving it, but I'd guess there'd be about as much oil on the ground as your picture shows if I did.
Another thing I notice after the engine is good and warmed up is oil vapor (that looks like steam) coming from the drain hose for a minute or so after shutting down. This appears to be a normal sign that the breather system is doing its job.
My engine is a two liter mild stroker, which I'd think would produce about as much vapor pressure over the heads as your 1915.
After doing all the work you've done to build a beautiful car that's now running, I can't imagine why you wouldn't drive it for a season or two before even thinking about new power.
Party on, dude!
Im going to need something for scale. Is that dime size? Quarter size? Nickel size?
TRP posted:Im going to need something for scale. Is that dime size? Quarter size? Nickel size?
Half dollar size. I just got done redoing some things and I'm hoping it solved it fall
Sacto Mitch posted:
Brian, all of our cars are different, but...
I've got about the same breather set up as your latest configuration - valve cover hoses to a breather box high on the bulkhead, with the breather box draining to a stock VW filler piece, which in turn drains to the ground (no lines to the air cleaners).
I don't get anything out of the drain hose until the engine is good and warmed up (after driving it). After I shut down and park it, I get one or two drops from the drain hose. I've never let it sit and idle for a half hour after driving it, but I'd guess there'd be about as much oil on the ground as your picture shows if I did.
Another thing I notice after the engine is good and warmed up is oil vapor (that looks like steam) coming from the drain hose for a minute or so after shutting down. This appears to be a normal sign that the breather system is doing its job.
My engine is a two liter mild stroker, which I'd think would produce about as much vapor pressure over the heads as your 1915.
After doing all the work you've done to build a beautiful car that's now running, I can't imagine why you wouldn't drive it for a season or two before even thinking about new power.
Party on, dude!
Thanks for the info about your engine. After a couple of weeks researching and learning proper crankcase ventilation, I think it's time to drive her for a while before touching the engine again
It's the OCD in me and wanting to get it right. What I really should be thinking is: This is my first time ever building a car from the pan up to an actual car I can sit and drive around town. For the very few things I've had to "sort" after the first drive... I did a pretty damn good job!! (Patting myself on the back).
I told Musbjim earlier today that I hope to be able to provide some insight and advice on this forum rather than ask a million questions. One day. One day...
*LongFella posted:
...I hope to be able to provide some insight and advice on this forum rather than ask a million questions...
Brian, your 'million questions' have produced one of the most informative threads I've ever read on this forum.
For noobies looking to do their own build, for old hands who have done it before, and for those of us who wouldn't have the confidence to change a fuse, this has been a great explanation of how one of these cars goes together and of the choices that have to be made at every step.
You're ending up with a better car than you would have gotten from at least several of the major builders and have learned how to work on just about anything that needs fixing.
And maybe best of all, you got to meet Musbjim!
Keep asking those questions. I think we all learn something every time you do.
Yeah, and besides....... There isn't a "Right" or "Wrong" way to do most of the stuff we do in building these cars. There is a whole spectrum of things that can be done for every step. Some of them are "tried and true" and proven to be the best, easiest ways which many of us then follow, while a lot of folks see a situation and come up with an entirely different approach and a bunch of us say, "Shoot! That's clever......Why didn't I think of that!" That becomes the new norm until something else comes along. Maybe we've helped you learn some tricks along the way, be we all have learned those things, too, so we've all benefitted. I've even put a few in my "Best of Pearl" book!
And THAT is what this site is all about. Learning and growing and having fun - in any particular order.
She is ready for some miles today
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Wanting to upgrade your power immediacy is a true sign of the Madness.
Just got back from an EPIC cruise with @MusbJim. As promised, I said I'd be getting some video. Jim never fails
And of all things, we ran into another SOC member - @Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal)!!!! He was it crushing around with his friend. What are the odds...
I leave it to Jim to post some photos/videos when he gets a chance.
Thank you for a great ride around the canyons El Guapo!
Eleanor did great today. No leaks, oil temps were good, no warning lights or issues. Fuel gauge works nice (I will need to adjust the float).
Only oil on the ground is a small single drop
Time to keep driving!!!
Man, that's what we live to hear. Runnin' right, out on the twisties.
RAVE ON!!
*LongFella posted:Eleanor did great today. No leaks, oil temps were good, no warning lights or issues. Fuel gauge works nice (I will need to adjust the float).
Only oil on the ground is a small single drop
Time to keep driving!!!
Elanor was excited and she just got a little wet!!
Glad to hear! I hate selling stuff to friends. Glad this worked out.
A rare beautiful sight... El Guapo!!!
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Forgot to ask my usual question...
When I got home and put the trickle charger on the battery, it gave a ready of 70%. Is that normal? Cruising around for about 2.5 hours, only one "off and on" stop and crank... should it be that low?
I should nore......
I was scared, nervous, worried, butterfly's in the tummy, adrenaline pumped, worried, and happy for the cruise today. My ears listened to every knock, bump, squeak, etc... My front brakes do squeak a lot. No pulling left or right when I press them hard...
It helped the cool El Guapo was there to help if there was a need!
Brian, I find that I need to use a battery conditioner and a deep charge Optima battery in my car because there is always a bit of drain with my accessories and after a few weeks of sitting I end up with no power locks to open the doors and never mind trying to start the car it's a no go either.
It's really suttle but you might want to keep that in mind I have been caught with a dead battery a lot with my A/Cooled IM.
With a new build you might not have that issue as the alternator/regulator should be new and the battery should be charging but you might try checking the battery connections (mine were loose last week) to make sure everything is good and tight. Including the alternator belt. Just saying.
More experienced guys might need to chime in.
Enjoy your ride it looks real nice.
Ray
Caught up with Brian @*LongFella today to take his Speedster out for a shake-down cruise. Beach was socked in with a heavy marine layer so we worked our way to the local canyons. Temps in the 80's.
While we were coming out of one of the canyon roads we caught up with Michael B @Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal) who was also out for a spin.
When you start the video below, click on the 'Gear' icon in the lower right and adjust Video Quality to 720HD for better viewing.
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Great video. Thanks for sharing!
X2. Great video... Makes me want to go out for a drive.
Congratulations. It must feel AWESOME cruising after so many hrs,/months of hard hard work. She looks beautiful!!!
happy cruising... This the season.
cheers
Exceedingly cool. Enjoy it for what it is, Brian.
X3. Great video... Makes me want to go out to the shop and wrench on the Outlaw project..
Love seeing a Speedster's beautiful face in motion! Thanks for the over-the-shoulder-videography, @MusbJim!
Thank you @MusbJim for the videoing ! !
Jimbo, I'll get you one of these days...
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Don't be knocking the Rainbow Sandals! Those are a SoCal must! I used to go to their little shop/factory in San Clemente to pick them up
Brian, Will Hesch makes some with all sorts of colours too but to go bare feet